(Apr. 26, 2021  12:48 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Apr. 25, 2021  11:09 PM)Admiral W Wrote: Certainly a manner of perspective. Those episodes with BC Sol were actually vital. They laid the foundation for there eventual rise and showcased the results of having relied too much on Free. They also served the added purpose of fueling Free's departure and showed the natural consequences of him leaving.

The BC sol drama was boring and generally uninspiring -it wasn't just about Free either, there were episodes that focused on Valt and Rantaro being suspected of "ditching their team." The actual tournament, visual lack of confidence and consistent failures were the proper slump the show needed, not twenty minutes of absolute nothingness because the reliance Bc Sol had on Free is what vitally needed to be portrayed during the story, not useless banter.. Valt, Rantaro and Silas skulking around Bc Sol doing nothing is not fun to watch and at the time, the complaints those episodes were receiving made that clear. That's just my take on it though, everyone expects something different.

(Apr. 26, 2021  1:01 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  12:48 AM)Zeutron Wrote: The BC sol drama was boring and generally uninspiring -it wasn't just about Free either, there were episodes that focused on Valt and Rantaro being suspected of "ditching their team." The actual tournament, visual lack of confidence and consistent failures were the proper slump the show needed, not twenty minutes of absolute nothingness because the reliance Bc Sol had on Free is what vitally needed to be portrayed during the story, not useless banter.. Valt, Rantaro and Silas skulking around Bc Sol doing nothing is not fun to watch and at the time, the complaints those episodes were receiving made that clear. That's just my take on it though, everyone expects something different.

To each their own in the end, personally, having those episodes made sense story wise, and I enjoyed them. You need somewhere to start in order to have a complete arc. Those episodes illustrated the state the team had fallen into by relying solely on Free to carry the team among other things. Episode 7 in particular touched on that. There was a terrible atmosphere In the team, it was a mess, and in order to illustrate how far the team had come as a unit by the end of the world league, we needed to see the atmosphere and dysfunction at the start, and those foundational episodes were needed to set that up. In order to recognize the growth we need to see the start. It's the same thing with character arcs, we need to see where the character is at the beginning, to get the full significance of who they become at the end.

(Apr. 25, 2021  11:04 PM)Zeutron Wrote: I really think that beyblade burst DB has the best filler moments we've had in the burst series as of now. At least they are actually entertaining and not full of useless ironically boring drama like those BC sol filler episodes from s2 or those continuous dreadful training episodes that made s3 feel like some journey on rusted wagon.

(Apr. 26, 2021  1:39 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  1:01 AM)Admiral W Wrote: To each their own in the end, personally, having those episodes made sense story wise, and I enjoyed them. You need somewhere to start in order to have a complete arc. Those episodes illustrated the state the team had fallen into by relying solely on Free to carry the team among other things. Episode 7 in particular touched on that. There was a terrible atmosphere In the team, it was a mess, and in order to illustrate how far the team had come as a unit by the end of the world league, we needed to see the atmosphere and dysfunction at the start, and those foundational episodes were needed to set that up. In order to recognize the growth we need to see the start. It's the same thing with character arcs, we need to see where the character is at the beginning, to get the full significance of who they become at the end.

For me, episode 11 was alright, the other filler episodes (which really didn't focus on Bc Sol recovering from Free leaving) were boring and half heartedly written. The other episodes served no purpose other than to fill the gap between important events and product releases. They ultimately just featured the Bc Sol members moping around doing nothing in particular. Ep 11 is really the only Bc Sol filler focused on Free and to be honest, its really debatable as to whether that actually counts a filler episode or not, Free leaving the team actually has a major impact on the story.

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:20 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  1:39 AM)Zeutron Wrote: For me, episode 11 was alright, the other filler episodes (which really didn't focus on Bc Sol recovering from Free leaving) were boring and half heartedly written. The other episodes served no purpose other than to fill the gap between important events and product releases. They ultimately just featured the Bc Sol members moping around doing nothing in particular. Ep 11 is really the only Bc Sol filler focused on Free and to be honest, its really debatable as to whether that actually counts a filler episode or not, Free leaving the team actually has a major impact on the story.

I just disagree with you on this one. The team was a mess even before Free left. They lacked cohesion, unity, and the drive to improve. It's for those reasons Free departed. He wanted them to turn themselves around. Without showing us the state of the team which prompted Free's departure, then Free's leaving the team would lack the foundation needed for that to land properly.
In addition when creating arcs you need somewhere to start, to pay off where you end up. By showcasing the state of the team, we got to see how BC Sol grew as a unit. They started out unified, they lacked the proper drive, and their teamwork was non-existent. By the end of the world league the team has become a well functioning unit and the atmosphere has completely changed. Just as we saw where characters like Silas began and where they ended up, we saw BC Sol do the same thing and those episodes set the stage for the arc and growth of the team.

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:25 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:20 AM)Admiral W Wrote: I just disagree with you on this one. The team was a mess even before Free left. They lacked cohesion, unity, and the drive to improve. It's for those reasons Free departed. He wanted them to turn themselves around. Without showing us the state of the team which prompted Free's departure, then Free's leaving the team would lack the foundation needed for that to land properly.
In addition when creating arcs you need somewhere to start, to pay off where you end up. By showcasing the state of the team, we got to see how BC Sol grew as a unit. They started out unified, they lacked the proper drive, and their teamwork was non-existent. By the end of the world league the team has become a well functioning unit and the atmosphere has completely changed. Just as we saw where characters like Silas began and where they ended up, we saw BC Sol do the same thing and those episodes set the stage for the arc and growth of the team.

Their teamwork was not established through the filler episodes but rather the episodes that actually had significance to the plot hence the climactic moments that go on during and before those battles.The filler episodes of the season were just composed of Valt and Rantaro moping around Bc Sol doing nothing in particular, those episodes didn't try to build up on them like the Db episodes are doing with their episodes. The growth you refer to never actually occurs in the filler episodes for the reasons I stated above and the episode where Free leaves the team is not a filler episode given the effect that actually had on the plot.

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:38 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:25 AM)Zeutron Wrote: Their teamwork was not established through the filler episodes but rather the episodes that actually had significance to the plot hence the climactic moments that go on during and before those battles.The filler episodes of the season were just composed of Valt and Rantaro moping around Bc Sol doing nothing in particular, those episodes didn't try to build up on them like the Db episodes are doing with their episodes. The growth you refer to never actually occurs in the filler episodes for the reasons I stated above and the episode where Free leaves the team is not a filler episode given the effect that actually had on the plot.

When you take a look at those episodes, the interactions between the team reveal how disjointed they are. There was no cohesion, it wasn't them just moping around BC Sol. Wasn't saying the growth started in those episodes I was pointing out that with arcs you need somewhere to start. Those episodes gave us that. Taking Silas as an example, he had a complete arc because we got to see where he started and where he ended up and everything in-between. 

He started out as a blader who was concerned only with his own prestige and status and by the end we saw how he came to care about his teammates and his desire to win, not just for himself but for them. That arc wouldn't work if we didn't see where he started as a person. 

The same is true for BC Sol, those episodes showed us how BC Sol was as a team in the beginning: disjointed, lacked the drive to improve. By the end they've become a well functioning unit, hungry to win and doing everything they can the improve. Teamwork is not just in the ring, but the collective effort of the team to improve outside of it. They seriously lacked that in the beginning. Those episodes showcased that. There were so many instances in those episodes that put that on full display.

(Apr. 26, 2021  3:15 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:38 AM)Admiral W Wrote: When you take a look at those episodes, the interactions between the team reveal how disjointed they are. There was no cohesion, it wasn't them just moping around BC Sol. Wasn't saying the growth started in those episodes I was pointing out that with arcs you need somewhere to start. Those episodes gave us that. Taking Silas as an example, he had a complete arc because we got to see where he started and where he ended up and everything in-between. 

He started out as a blader who was concerned only with his own prestige and status and by the end we saw how he came to care about his teammates and his desire to win, not just for himself but for them. That arc wouldn't work if we didn't see where he started as a person. 

The same is true for BC Sol, those episodes showed us how BC Sol was as a team in the beginning: disjointed, lacked the drive to improve. By the end they've become a well functioning unit, hungry to win and doing everything they can the improve. Teamwork is not just in the ring, but the collective effort of the team to improve outside of it. They seriously lacked that in the beginning. Those episodes showcased that. There were so many instances in those episodes that put that on full display.

We didn't need entire boring filler episodes with next to no actual base to showcase their growth as a team and next to none of the filler episodes did that. " Teamwork is not just in the ring, but the collective effort of the team to improve outside of it," I agree, but the teamwork that happened outside the ring didn't happen in any of those filler episodes. The filler episodes simply went over minorities amongst Bc Sol and never actually covered the struggle of the team itself, you seem to be confusing the actual story based episodes as the filler episodes.

The significant events never occurred during those actual filler episodes, those were simply transitional periods with a mostly empty narrative. For example, that one episode where Rantaro gives those words of encouragement to Silas before his big day? Not actually during a filler episode. Even most of the important training goes on during the actual story of god, not the lame drama.

(Apr. 26, 2021  3:41 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  3:15 AM)Zeutron Wrote: We didn't need entire boring filler episodes with next to no actual base to showcase their growth as a team and next to none of the filler episodes did that. " Teamwork is not just in the ring, but the collective effort of the team to improve outside of it," I agree, but the teamwork that happened outside the ring didn't happen in any of those filler episodes. The filler episodes simply went over minorities amongst Bc Sol and never actually covered the struggle of the team itself, you seem to be confusing the actual story based episodes as the filler episodes.

The significant events never occurred during those actual filler episodes, those were simply transitional periods with a mostly empty narrative. For example, that one episode where Rantaro gives those words of encouragement to Silas before his big day? Not actually during a filler episode. Even most of the important training goes on during the actual story of god, not the lame drama.

I don't think I'm confusing anything. I'm talking about episodes 6 (this is actually the episode Silas joins) & 7. Those episodes were directly prior to the start of thTeam members leaving, Blade european league. To you it may be boring lame drama, (episodes I enjoyed) which is fine, to each their own, but it was actually important to see the state of the team. Any arc needs a foundation for said arc to be successful. BC Sol's Journey to becoming a cohesive unit and becoming the best in the world needs to start with us seeing their disunity and failure in the beginning. We saw the disunity in those episodes, we see the failure in more consequential episodes later. I'm specifically about the atmosphere and interactions of the team. 

When you take a look at those episodes and see the interactions between the team members, you can see how of much of mess the team is. Like a character arc we need to see where they begin. Set up and pay off. That's how arcs are usually executed. If I want to execute an arc of the team becoming a well functioning unit by the end, I need to display disunity in the beginning.

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members like Valt being degraded as not deserving to be on the top team and blamed for bladers leaving, Silas calling out bladers for just riding Free's coatails. Stan stating that bladers don't even belong on the team. All of that disunity was displayed in those two episodes as set up for the unified team they become in the end. The atmosphere of BC Sol is so different later on. We only notice that change because of how those episodes showed the state of the team in the beginning. It may not be your cup of tea, but it was still important set up.

(Apr. 26, 2021  5:29 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  3:41 AM)Admiral W Wrote: I don't think I'm confusing anything. I'm talking about episodes 6 (this is actually the episode Silas joins) & 7. Those episodes were directly prior to the start of thTeam members leaving, Blade european league. To you it may be boring lame drama, (episodes I enjoyed) which is fine, to each their own, but it was actually important to see the state of the team. Any arc needs a foundation for said arc to be successful. BC Sol's Journey to becoming a cohesive unit and becoming the best in the world needs to start with us seeing their disunity and failure in the beginning. We saw the disunity in those episodes, we see the failure in more consequential episodes later. I'm specifically about the atmosphere and interactions of the team. 

When you take a look at those episodes and see the interactions between the team members, you can see how of much of mess the team is. Like a character arc we need to see where they begin. Set up and pay off. That's how arcs are usually executed. If I want to execute an arc of the team becoming a well functioning unit by the end, I need to display disunity in the beginning.

[quote pid='1759112' dateline='1619404884']
members like Valt being degraded as not deserving to be on the top team and blamed for bladers leaving, Silas calling out bladers for just riding Free's coatails. Stan stating that bladers don't even belong on the team. All of that disunity was displayed in those two episodes as set up for the unified team they become in the end. The atmosphere of BC Sol is so different later on. We only notice that change because of how those episodes showed the state of the team in the beginning. It may not be your cup of tea, but it was still important set up.

(Apr. 25, 2021  11:04 PM)Zeutron Wrote: I really think that beyblade burst DB has the best filler moments we've had in the burst series as of now. At least they are actually entertaining and not full of useless ironically boring drama like those BC sol filler episodes from s2 or those continuous dreadful training episodes that made s3 feel like some journey on rusted wagon.

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:03 PM)GodzillaFan101 Wrote: metal saga is the best I think

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:07 PM)GodzillaFan101 Wrote: I just stated that stop quoting for no reason

(Apr. 26, 2021  2:10 PM)GodzillaFan101 Wrote: you don't need to restate what I already said its dumb

(Apr. 26, 2021  1:53 PM)Pixi Wrote:

(Apr. 25, 2021  11:04 PM)Zeutron Wrote: I really think that beyblade burst DB has the best filler moments we've had in the burst series as of now. At least they are actually entertaining and not full of useless ironically boring drama like those BC sol filler episodes from s2 or those continuous dreadful training episodes that made s3 feel like some journey on rusted wagon.

NOW THIS I AGREE ON

(Apr. 26, 2021  5:44 PM)PinkRose Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  1:53 PM)Pixi Wrote: NOW THIS I AGREE ON

Same here. The banter between characters actually didn't make me doze off for once since S1 (S2 had all the pointless drama mentioned above, S3 had too much bad filler I don't even know where to start, S4 was fine but still kinda boring, and S5's filler was all foodtrainingfood), which I'm thankful for. My general opinion on DB as of now is it has the same writing quality as early S1 and the same battle quality as God, and that's pretty good for the start of the show.

(Apr. 20, 2021  11:29 AM)AudreySnappy Wrote:

(Apr. 20, 2021  4:03 AM)TeamRocketDJJ Wrote: Hi guys they just added the last 13 episodes of Beyblade Burst Rise to Netflix! Unfortunately I’m stuck at episode one due to being caught up with the original series.

Really?!

(Apr. 26, 2021  8:56 PM)TeamRocketDJJ Wrote:

(Apr. 20, 2021  11:29 AM)AudreySnappy Wrote: Really?!

Oh yeah they finally added the final 13 episodes after 2-3 month absent. Although there are 26 episodes, but Wikipedia article says that there are 52 episodes of Beyblade Burst Rise.

(Apr. 26, 2021  8:57 PM)Free... Hoya Wrote:

(Apr. 26, 2021  8:56 PM)TeamRocketDJJ Wrote: Oh yeah they finally added the final 13 episodes after 2-3 month absent. Although there are 26 episodes, but Wikipedia article says that there are 52 episodes of Beyblade Burst Rise.

The eps are 11 mins long, so they combined 2 eps together to make 26 episodes. Same with surge. For the dub.