• I accidentally tornado stalled and proved, again, it’s bad at it.
  
• This is horribly inconsistent, but good lord when it works it works. Death goes FLYING. I’m trying a bunch of launch techniques, but nothing is working consistently yet.
  
• This custom has to win in the first few seconds; it’s only got the smash at really high RPMs. I might want to try rubber tips since the extra stamina from MF isn’t really that helpful, and intense hits are required.

• OH MY GOD IT’S FORCE SMASHING I LOVE YOU JADE
  
• To elaborate, Jade has four curved sections that are exposed in Defense mode. These curves slam the opponent down into the stadium; it made Death scrape badly at very high spin rates, though it didn’t send Death very far.
  
• Defense mode has much less smash attack, but in return it gains force smash. Not sure how to actually win with it yet, though.
  
• Jade in Defense mode spins faster than in Stamina mode. It’s a lot more painful to pick up right after a battle begins than any other MFB I’ve used.

• F, WF, XF: These are all too short and don’t work because of that.
  
• MF: This is working fairly well, but I think I can do better.
  
• JB: I had to try it. It got one good hit that really slowed down Death and made Jade hop a little, but nothing terribly impressive. It’s also short.
  
• RF, R2F, LRF: Th!nk told me I should use RF since, in plastics, force smashers used rubber bottoms, but I tried a wide variety of offensive rubber tips, and they just don’t have the stamina to OS the opponent even if the force smash happens.
  
• EDS: I tried this on a hunch, but it actually got flipped over by Death, lol
  
• HF/S: I had high hopes for this tip since it’s so tall, but I was underwhelmed by its performance. It has very little grip on the stadium and was very prone to self-KOs of all sorts, and its height was a little awkward since TH220HF/S is far too tall and TH195HF/S is a little too short.
  
• RB: Oh ho ho ho, look at what we have here. RB did a phenomenal job; it was appropriately offensive and handled recoil well, and it had much better stamina than most of the other tips I tried. I think this is my favorite tip for this custom.

(Jun. 26, 2012  7:24 AM)th!nk Wrote: Generally for force smash in plastics the main way to control vertical recoil is increasing rpm maintenance with a centered weight distribution. Much harder in mfb though, and if MF-H isn't enough, you might struggle.

(Jun. 26, 2012  12:56 PM)facade Wrote: read the blog did you try gcf/cf? i doubt theres much of a differance from wf but hey it may suprise us

(Jun. 26, 2012  2:14 PM)Ingulit Wrote:

(Jun. 26, 2012  7:24 AM)th!nk Wrote: Generally for force smash in plastics the main way to control vertical recoil is increasing rpm maintenance with a centered weight distribution. Much harder in mfb though, and if MF-H isn't enough, you might struggle.

I was afraid of this, MF-H not being enough. The weight of the bey is focused more around the center in general with Jade in Defense mode, and I can tell it maintains better RPMs in Defense mode from the simple fact that it hurts like crazy to pick up right after launching it.

I guess my only remaining hope is maybe MF-M and a clear wheel that focuses its weight around the center; can anyone think of a clear wheel that does that? Maybe something like Uranus?

(Jun. 26, 2012  12:56 PM)facade Wrote: read the blog did you try gcf/cf? i doubt theres much of a differance from wf but hey it may suprise us

I have not tried them, but I'll be getting GCF in the mail hopefully today and CF by Friday, so I'll try them out. This is actually a good suggestion that I hadn't thought of, thank you!

(Jun. 27, 2012  4:42 AM)Dingodigo Wrote: While looking at the advertising for the LL2 in the instructions and warning sheet that came with a 4D bey I noticed that the little translation to Japanese that was above the English word Light translated into Japanese as Right so really what it is saying is Right Launcher 2 not Light Launcher so someone in Japan must have been overthinking the absence of L in the Japanese language and transrated as light instead of right

• I’m still bent on making a spin equalizer that utilizes LDG’s obscene weight in the hopes of making a “safer” spin equalizer to use than the uber-light Meteo… but LDG’s horrific weight distribution keeps thwarting my plans :\ Regardless, I tried anyway:
  
• MF-H LDG (TR145/ED145)PD: These tracks are the two that I own that seem to add some much-needed life after death (LAD) to our left-spinning friends, but this still just couldn’t beat Death. LDG topples too quickly on PD for this to work.
  
• MF-H LDG TH170PD: Maybe a tall spin equalizer would work? Turns out that’s a definite no, at least with LDG; again, its weight distribution causes it to topple over far before Death stops spinning. PD didn’t help much here either, though it did a lot better than D on the same setup because it was able to process longer. I think there is some serious potential in TH170PD for a spin equalizer, but LDG is not that spin equalizer, heh.
  
• I tried all the customs up to this point without MF-H, but I can’t ever tell a difference in LDG’s performance with vs. without a MF. This was no different.
  
• LDG AD145PD: Maybe a more standard stamina build would work…? Nope, still can’t OS Death. Gah.
  
• MF-H LDG LW105PD: How about some low-track LDG setups? Again, nope; the overall greater stability the lower center of gravity provides comes at the cost of even worse LAD (well, no LAD at all, thanks to the rubber).
  
• One thing I’d like to mention at this point is that PD isn’t getting tossed around when the super-heavy LDG is piloting it despite LDG’s minor recoil. I was expecting PD to have trouble staying in the stadium, but LDG is holding on fine. I know I’m not exactly testing against an attack type, but recoil handling was one of my main concerns for PD. We’ll see what happens when we move onto lighter wheels.

• I’m testing GPS since I feel like the Stamina Version of Perseus would be the best suited for spin equalization due to the slightly lesser recoil, but if I’m wrong about this, please send me a PM on WBO! It would really help my testing if I know what type of Perseus I should be using (I think I have them all at this point).
  
• MF-H GPS (TR145/ED145)PD: Okay, now I’m really beginning to notice PD’s lesser friction as GPS is getting knocked around a lot due to its own recoil. It hasn’t SKOed yet, but it’s certainly more noticeable than, say, WD or EWD’s handling. Unfortunately these tracks didn’t work, though I think it’s more due to GPS’s poor spin equalization ability than anything else.
  
• MF-H GPS TH170PD: Yeah, on TH170 GPS can’t spin equalize very well, so this wasn’t very close.
  
• I tried some of these customs without a Metal Face, and the recoil was very noticeable without it. It still didn’t SKO, but that was honestly due to a wall save or two.
  
• MF-H GPS LW105PD: Yikes, it scraped a bunch! It was looking good until the last few moments when it scraped and just stopped spinning. A few days ago I was thinking GPS was good on 105 height… I should look at that again, I might be horribly wrong.

• MF-H Meteo L-Drago II (TR145/ED145)PD: Meteo is doing a LOT better than the last two I tried (and is much less frustrating to test with), but it still wasn’t winning much. Recoil hasn’t been a problem thus far, though I’d be wary to try without a Metal Face. I’m starting to think PD isn’t as cut out for spin equalizing as, say, EWD, but I’m going to keep trying.
  
• MF-H Meteo L-Drago II TH170PD: Noooooooooo, it didn’t work! I had high hopes for this custom since I figured Meteo’s rubber would help it spin steal at the last few seconds of a fight, but it just got destablized ;_; Maybe this wasn’t such a good idea after all, sad. Maybe 160 would work better :\
  
• MF-H Meteo L-Drago II CH120PD: This was much closer, and Meteo certainly did win a few times, but I think I still prefer Meteo CH120EWD and MF Meteo CH120XF over this. PD’s lack of friction didn’t make up for the lack of either a free-spinning tip or extra attacking capabilities, respectively.

• Duo Cancer/Phantom Hades AD145PD
  
• Duo Cancer/Phantom Hades TH170PD
  
• Phantom Hades 85PD (I was surprised at how well this one worked)

• MF-H Duo Cancer E230PD: This really didn’t work as well as I would have hoped. Honestly, I think if “Boost Mode” was deemed legal this custom would have a good shot, but with the disk in its normal mode it just doesn’t have the stamina to OS anything. PD did do a remarkable job of keeping E230 upright, though, much better than WD or even D.
  
• Duo Cancer E230PD: I didn’t notice a huge difference without the MF-H, which is to say it still lost by a noticeable margin. I’m thinking E230PD is a bust.
  
• MF-H Death Pegasus II E230PD: This was a laughable fight against MF-M Duo Cancer 230MB, it wasn’t even close. E230 does not have nearly enough stamina in normal mode to stand even a chance against the Wobbler monster.

• MF-H Fusion (Pieces/Susanow/Lynx) TH170PD: Fusion is in Metal Up mode. This custom actually worked pretty well; as I’ve noticed in the past, the centered weight distribution really, really helps the bey stay upright when knocked off balance, and PD was a champ at keeping the bey standing tall. Of the clear wheels I tested, I think Pieces and Susanow were doing the best; Lynx didn’t wow me, and the other two were closely matched. This custom did win a surprising number of matches, typically by staying in the center of the arena and not moving when Death would nudge it, causing Death to tilt onto its WD and lose stamina. This custom is very resistant to being moved or tilted off balance, which ended up in more effective stamina than its solo spin time (which is horrific) would indicate. So, this actually worked, but I wanted to try some other stuff.
  
• Fusion Geminos 100PD: I know what you’re thinking: Ingulit’s gone crazy, what’s he testing here? Well, I was fooling around with my idea of Fusion in Rubber Up Mode on low tracks when I came across this idea. I tested MF-H Fusion Pieces (85/90/100)PD, and found that 100 was the lowest I could go without major scraping issues. The custom wasn’t working quite as well as I would have hoped (though it did, again, perform really well at what it was designed to do), so I decided to try focusing the weight of the bey as low as possible rather than as close to the center as possible. So, to keep the weight on the top of the bey light, I picked a normal face bolt, the lightest clear wheel, and had Fusion in Rubber Up Mode, thus putting all the metal along the bottom of the bey. What resulted was a bey that was very, very sturdy, very resistant to being knocked off-balance, and one that had very little recoil despite PD’s low traction. I need to keep testing with this idea, but it got late, so I’ll have to test this again some other time.