(Oct. 02, 2020  2:57 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Oct. 02, 2020  2:40 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Character handling is horrible. In OG it was actually really good, evolution it went down a little bit, in Cho-z it was horrible, in GT it was actually pretty good since there was an entirely new cast, in Sparking it doesn’t even exist.

I agree with the majority of what you said here. I think both OG and evolution handled their characters very well. After that it went downhill outside of GT for the most part.

(Oct. 02, 2020  2:57 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Oct. 02, 2020  2:40 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Character handling is horrible. In OG it was actually really good, evolution it went down a little bit, in Cho-z it was horrible, in GT it was actually pretty good since there was an entirely new cast, in Sparking it doesn’t even exist.

I agree with the majority of what you said here. I think both OG and evolution handled their characters very well. After that it went downhill outside of GT for the most part.

(Oct. 02, 2020  3:07 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Oct. 02, 2020  2:57 PM)Admiral W Wrote: I agree with the majority of what you said here. I think both OG and evolution handled their characters very well. After that it went downhill outside of GT for the most part.

They did better than Cho-z in the sense that they had a new cast and did a pretty good job with them by keeping the people with new beys concise. They did however do a bad job handling side characters like Joe, Blind, Pot who don’t really serve any purpose other then hyping a character up.

(Oct. 02, 2020  3:22 PM)God Dragruler Wrote:

(Oct. 02, 2020  3:07 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: They did better than Cho-z in the sense that they had a new cast and did a pretty good job with them by keeping the people with new beys concise. They did however do a bad job handling side characters like Joe, Blind, Pot who don’t really serve any purpose other then hyping a character up.

Lodin And fumiya werent treated well too fumiya was reduce to a complete comedic gag while lodin was whaterver. The only characters that had screen times were drum (no surprise main character), delta And later on gwynn, arthur And amane.

(Oct. 02, 2020  3:28 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Oct. 02, 2020  3:22 PM)God Dragruler Wrote: Lodin And fumiya werent treated well too fumiya was reduce to a complete comedic gag while lodin was whaterver. The only characters that had screen times were drum (no surprise main character), delta And later on gwynn, arthur And amane.

True, but it was at least an improvement from Cho-z in my opinion. I think it’s better to have one moment than to be used just for the purpose of hyping up the final battle.

(Oct. 02, 2020  2:40 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Character handling is horrible. In OG it was actually really good, evolution it went down a little bit, in Cho-z it was horrible, in GT it was actually pretty good since there was an entirely new cast, in Sparking it doesn’t even exist.

(Oct. 02, 2020  6:10 PM)Apollo17 Wrote:

(Oct. 02, 2020  2:40 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Character handling is horrible. In OG it was actually really good, evolution it went down a little bit, in Cho-z it was horrible, in GT it was actually pretty good since there was an entirely new cast, in Sparking it doesn’t even exist.

I agree with pretty much everything you said besides Sparking. Why do you think they didn't handle the characters well in Beyblade Burst Sparking?

(Oct. 02, 2020  7:47 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Oct. 02, 2020  6:10 PM)Apollo17 Wrote: I agree with pretty much everything you said besides Sparking. Why do you think they didn't handle the characters well in  Beyblade Burst Sparking?

For starters Drum and Lui won one battle. Lui, Free, and Aiga lost to the A-rank #1. Valkyrie bursts to almost everything. Cisco does nothing. Rantaro is just a sacrificial lamb. Ranjiro’s bey breaks and he only gets like 5 minutes of screen time before. So yeah not the best character handling.

(Oct. 02, 2020  9:33 PM)Achilles25 Wrote: LANE IS STRONGER THAN AIGA

(Oct. 02, 2020  9:39 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Oct. 02, 2020  9:33 PM)Achilles25 Wrote: LANE IS STRONGER THAN AIGA

With the power of plot armor anyone is

(Oct. 03, 2020  11:52 AM)Vtryuga Wrote: Sadly Sparking will be most probably the last season as the sales of beyblade have decreased in GT and due to coronavirus the sales must have further dropped. Source is from the Financial Year 2019 20 performance of Takara Tomy.

(Oct. 02, 2020  7:47 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Oct. 02, 2020  6:10 PM)Apollo17 Wrote: I agree with pretty much everything you said besides Sparking. Why do you think they didn't handle the characters well in  Beyblade Burst Sparking?

For starters Drum and Lui won one battle. Lui, Free, and Aiga lost to the A-rank #1. Valkyrie bursts to almost everything. Cisco does nothing. Rantaro is just a sacrificial lamb. Ranjiro’s bey breaks and he only gets like 5 minutes of screen time before. So yeah not the best character handling.

(Oct. 02, 2020  7:47 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Oct. 02, 2020  6:10 PM)Apollo17 Wrote: I agree with pretty much everything you said besides Sparking. Why do you think they didn't handle the characters well in  Beyblade Burst Sparking?

For starters Drum and Lui won one battle. Lui, Free, and Aiga lost to the A-rank #1. Valkyrie bursts to almost everything. Cisco does nothing. Rantaro is just a sacrificial lamb. Ranjiro’s bey breaks and he only gets like 5 minutes of screen time before. So yeah not the best character handling.

(Oct. 03, 2020  11:18 PM)Apollo17 Wrote:

(Oct. 02, 2020  7:47 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: For starters Drum and Lui won one battle. Lui, Free, and Aiga lost to the A-rank #1. Valkyrie bursts to almost everything. Cisco does nothing. Rantaro is just a sacrificial lamb. Ranjiro’s bey breaks and he only gets like 5 minutes of screen time before. So yeah not the best character handling.

I see some points you have, but I disagree with others. Drum has actually won against Ranjiro, Hikaru, Rantaro, and Hyuga (multiple times). He has lost to Aiga and Lane in a tag battle and randomly lost to Hyuga once. I wouldn't say he's only won one time, but his streak so far has been 50-50 in Sparking. Also, he really isn't so vital to the sparking plot, so they are not going to focus on him that much. A 50% winning streak is pretty good for such a character (cough cough Blind's 0% winning streak). Lui has won every single sparking battle he's been in besides two (once against Lane and once in the tag battle against Hyuga and Valt). And in the battle against Lane, he had a disadvantage since he had no idea how the barrier thing worked. Aiga's won every battle he's been in except against Lane. Free's won every battle he participated in except the tag battle with Hyuga in episode 11 and the tag battle with Lui in episode 27. Now, don't even mention that one flashback loss against Lane. Free still had Geist Fafnir, and Lane had First Uranus. It's Cho-z vs Sparking. Which generation do you think would win? As for Rantaro, I agree he has a lot of losses this season. But if you think about it he's the weakest of all legends. Just being a legend doesn't guarantee him a win against another fellow legend, or 3 semi- legends. I know that's a lot of words to read, but please keep in mind, wins and losses do not dictate character handling. A character can lose every battle they are in and still be handled greatly. A big role in character handling is the interactions with other characters and the amount of effort exerted DURING battle. Take Amane in the hell arc for example (ignore his other battles). I think they handled him greatly despite the fact that he lost every time he activated gold turbo. He tried his hardest and got one good win in the end against Arthur, and his interaction with Delta and his own bey made his handling in the end seem a lot better. As for my opinion, I think they've done a pretty good job handling the characters. Not every legend can have a 100% winning streak which is what some people need to understand, but even their losses were fun to watch because they were really close battles. The fact that each character still remains relevant throughout the season, makes their handling seem pretty good. The past seasons tended to give each character a couple of episodes and then completely forget about them in the end. That is what I think SO FAR. Remember, we're still about halfway through the season, so there's still a long way to go before we can truly decide.

(Oct. 03, 2020  11:28 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Oct. 03, 2020  11:18 PM)Apollo17 Wrote: I see some points you have, but I disagree with others. Drum has actually won against Ranjiro, Hikaru, Rantaro, and Hyuga (multiple times). He has lost to Aiga and Lane in a tag battle and randomly lost to Hyuga once. I wouldn't say he's only won one time, but his streak so far has been 50-50 in Sparking. Also, he really isn't so vital to the sparking plot, so they are not going to focus on him that much. A 50% winning streak is pretty good for such a character (cough cough Blind's 0% winning streak). Lui has won every single sparking battle he's been in besides two (once against Lane and once in the tag battle against Hyuga and Valt). And in the battle against Lane, he had a disadvantage since he had no idea how the barrier thing worked. Aiga's won every battle he's been in except against Lane. Free's won every battle he participated in except the tag battle with Hyuga in episode 11 and the tag battle with Lui in episode 27. Now, don't even mention that one flashback loss against Lane. Free still had Geist Fafnir, and Lane had First Uranus. It's Cho-z vs Sparking. Which generation do you think would win? As for Rantaro, I agree he has a lot of losses this season. But if you think about it he's the weakest of all legends. Just being a legend doesn't guarantee him a win against another fellow legend, or 3 semi- legends. I know that's a lot of words to read, but please keep in mind, wins and losses do not dictate character handling. A character can lose every battle they are in and still be handled greatly. A big role in character handling is the interactions with other characters and the amount of effort exerted DURING battle. Take Amane in the hell arc for example (ignore his other battles). I think they handled him greatly despite the fact that he lost every time he activated gold turbo. He tried his hardest and got one good win in the end against Arthur, and his interaction with Delta and his own bey made his handling in the end seem a lot better. As for my opinion, I think they've done a pretty good job handling the characters. Not every legend can have a 100% winning streak which is what some people need to understand, but even their losses were fun to watch because they were really close battles. The fact that each character still remains relevant throughout the season, makes their handling seem pretty good. The past seasons tended to give each character a couple of episodes and then completely forget about them in the end. That is what I think SO FAR. Remember, we're still about halfway through the season, so there's still a long way to go before we can truly decide.

I agree with some of what you said here but there's some points I have to disagree on. How a character is handled in their battles is part of how the character is being handled. Granted, it's not the whole picture, but its certainly part of it. When you've set characters up to have a certain amount of status and power you have to follow that through. When you don't, then you've broken what you yourself (the writers) have set up. That flows into character handling.

(Oct. 03, 2020  11:28 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Oct. 03, 2020  11:18 PM)Apollo17 Wrote: I see some points you have, but I disagree with others. Drum has actually won against Ranjiro, Hikaru, Rantaro, and Hyuga (multiple times). He has lost to Aiga and Lane in a tag battle and randomly lost to Hyuga once. I wouldn't say he's only won one time, but his streak so far has been 50-50 in Sparking. Also, he really isn't so vital to the sparking plot, so they are not going to focus on him that much. A 50% winning streak is pretty good for such a character (cough cough Blind's 0% winning streak). Lui has won every single sparking battle he's been in besides two (once against Lane and once in the tag battle against Hyuga and Valt). And in the battle against Lane, he had a disadvantage since he had no idea how the barrier thing worked. Aiga's won every battle he's been in except against Lane. Free's won every battle he participated in except the tag battle with Hyuga in episode 11 and the tag battle with Lui in episode 27. Now, don't even mention that one flashback loss against Lane. Free still had Geist Fafnir, and Lane had First Uranus. It's Cho-z vs Sparking. Which generation do you think would win? As for Rantaro, I agree he has a lot of losses this season. But if you think about it he's the weakest of all legends. Just being a legend doesn't guarantee him a win against another fellow legend, or 3 semi- legends. I know that's a lot of words to read, but please keep in mind, wins and losses do not dictate character handling. A character can lose every battle they are in and still be handled greatly. A big role in character handling is the interactions with other characters and the amount of effort exerted DURING battle. Take Amane in the hell arc for example (ignore his other battles). I think they handled him greatly despite the fact that he lost every time he activated gold turbo. He tried his hardest and got one good win in the end against Arthur, and his interaction with Delta and his own bey made his handling in the end seem a lot better. As for my opinion, I think they've done a pretty good job handling the characters. Not every legend can have a 100% winning streak which is what some people need to understand, but even their losses were fun to watch because they were really close battles. The fact that each character still remains relevant throughout the season, makes their handling seem pretty good. The past seasons tended to give each character a couple of episodes and then completely forget about them in the end. That is what I think SO FAR. Remember, we're still about halfway through the season, so there's still a long way to go before we can truly decide.

I agree with some of what you said here but there's some points I have to disagree on. How a character is handled in their battles is part of how the character is being handled. Granted, it's not the whole picture, but its certainly part of it. When you've set characters up to have a certain amount of status and power you have to follow that through. When you don't, then you've broken what you yourself (the writers) have set up. That flows into character handling.

(Oct. 03, 2020  11:31 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Oct. 03, 2020  11:28 PM)Admiral W Wrote: I agree with some of what you said here but there's some points I have to disagree on. How a character is handled in their battles is part of how the character is being handled. Granted, it's not the whole picture, but its certainly part of it. When you've set characters up to have a certain amount of status and power you have to follow that through. When you don't, then you've broken what you yourself (the writers) have set up. That flows into character handling.

Which characters havent followed through matching up to their power and status? Each of them puts in the amount of effort and strength that coincides with their power level.

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(Oct. 03, 2020  11:28 PM)Admiral W Wrote: I agree with some of what you said here but there's some points I have to disagree on. How a character is handled in their battles is part of how the character is being handled. Granted, it's not the whole picture, but its certainly part of it. When you've set characters up to have a certain amount of status and power you have to follow that through. When you don't, then you've broken what you yourself (the writers) have set up. That flows into character handling.

Which characters havent followed through matching up to their power and status? Each of them puts in the amount of effort and strength that coincides with their power level.

(Oct. 03, 2020  11:37 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Oct. 03, 2020  11:31 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Which characters havent followed through matching up to their power and status? Each of them puts in the amount of effort and strength that coincides with their power level.

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Which characters havent followed through matching up to their power and status? Each of them puts in the amount of effort and strength that coincides with their power level.

I'm speaking in general. Though in some instances this has been a problem in sparking (Valkyrie shouldn't have bursted to Ragnarok.) Furthermore, the effort and strength must produce the result in order for it coincide with their power level. If they put in that effort and strength and still lose in a matchup they should have won, then their power level wasn't followed through on.

(Oct. 03, 2020  11:40 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Oct. 03, 2020  11:37 PM)Admiral W Wrote: I'm speaking in general. Though in some instances this has been a problem in sparking (Valkyrie shouldn't have bursted to Ragnarok.) Furthermore, the effort and strength must produce the result in order for it coincide with their power level. If they put in that effort and strength and still lose in a matchup they should have won, then their power level wasn't followed through on.

Rocktavor went in full power with an over head smash. I think thats pretty reasonable. As for the second thing, they can still put in effort and strength and lose. Cause its the effort that they put in that gives them power. Just winning isnt the greatest way of following through with power level. For example, Rantaro. Yes he's lost plenty of times, but the amount of effort he's put in (best shown in episode 25) makes him a legend. Also, lets look at Aiger from Turbo. He won alot of his early matches. Do those wins coincide with his power and status? They do not.

(Oct. 03, 2020  11:49 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Oct. 03, 2020  11:40 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: Rocktavor went in full power with an over head smash. I think thats pretty reasonable. As for the second thing, they can still put in effort and strength and lose. Cause its the effort that they put in that gives them power. Just winning isnt the greatest way of following through with power level. For example, Rantaro. Yes he's lost plenty of times, but the amount of effort he's put in (best shown in episode 25) makes him a legend. Also, lets look at Aiger from Turbo. He won alot of his early matches. Do those wins coincide with his power and status? They do not.

That's why Aiger's early win's were unreasonable. There was nothing giving credence to his ability to take down the bladers he did. On following through with power levels, if you don't have the results match the level of power the character possess then it becomes lip service. Many shows have been called out for doing that. Paying lip service to characters power but not showing it. As an example All Might from my hero academia was Japan's top hero, if he lost most of battles he was involved in then his status is mere lip service since it wasn't shown to be the case. When you establish something it must be followed through on.

(Oct. 03, 2020  11:51 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Oct. 03, 2020  11:49 PM)Admiral W Wrote: That's why Aiger's early win's were unreasonable. There was nothing giving credence to his ability to take down the bladers he did. On following through with power levels, if you don't have the results match the level of power the character possess then it becomes lip service. Many shows have been called out for doing that. Paying lip service to characters power but not showing it. As an example All Might from my hero academia was Japan's top hero, if he lost most of battles he was involved in then his status is mere lip service since it wasn't shown to be the case. When you establish something it must be followed through on.

"if you don't have the results match the level of power the character possess". As I said, the character will put in the amount of effort that coincides with their power level. If they'll follow through or not depends on the enemy. Aiger put in the maximum amount of effort for his character vs Lean, but lost due to OTHER factors.

(Oct. 03, 2020  11:54 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Oct. 03, 2020  11:51 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: "if you don't have the results match the level of power the character possess". As I said, the character will put in the amount of effort that coincides with their power level. If they'll follow through or not depends on the enemy. Aiger put in the maximum amount of effort for his character vs Lean, but lost due to OTHER factors.

That's why I said it depends on the person they're battling.

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As an example if Valt took down Free early on in Evolution, then it would have been ridiculous because Free was the #1 blader in the world and Valt was not equipped yet to take down someone of Free's caliber. Had Free lost then that would have not been following through on what they established Free's power level to be.

(Oct. 04, 2020  12:01 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Oct. 03, 2020  11:54 PM)Admiral W Wrote: That's why I said it depends on the person they're battling.

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As an example if Valt took down Free early on in Evolution, then it would have been ridiculous because Free was the #1 blader in the world and Valt was not equipped yet to take down someone of Free's caliber. Had Free lost then that would have not been following through on what they established Free's power level to be.

What Im saying is that effort: power. More effort draws out more power. However you can still put in effort and still lose. Its all about the effort, rather than if you followed through.

(Oct. 04, 2020  12:05 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Oct. 04, 2020  12:01 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: What Im saying is that effort: power. More effort draws out more power. However you can still put in effort and still lose. Its all about the effort, rather than if you followed through.

Then it becomes lip service.  Following through on what you establish is Storytelling 101.