(Feb. 28, 2021  1:45 PM)marutti Wrote: But read it in illeagal means you make it finish it soon.
Actually unfortunately Bakuten Shoot beyblade next chapter which will relese March 15th will be last chapter.
Why don't they translate?  Because translater's salary is more expensive than sells number.
Because in Japan every month over 100 new comic end and start.
If you translate it all you cost a lot of money.
Listening, Wrighting and Speaking Japanese is really hard but read Japanese is very easy.
Because every letter has each meanings.

(Feb. 28, 2021  9:58 PM)Masterspin Wrote: I think one of the main problems is not buying the manga, not even translating it. I don't know about you. I have seen many manga that, thanks to an illegal translation, legal publication began and there have been two or three mangakas who even give thanks because it is because of them that we know manga in America. I think the main problem is the selfishness or the envy of the fans themselves, and I'm not talking about those who attack which saga is better, if not those who already know where and how to get it and do not support distributing that information, I understand that they It cost them work, but if the problem is that the mangaka is not supported, why not make that information public?
I know this is not the space but I confess that I am a 14-year-old boy who met bakuten through my parents (they don't like it but they told me about the first series). In my eagerness to find more information, I went to various groups and they know what I found? Adults in their 20s and 30s maybe older, being rude and attacking the youngest just "because the beyblade is their life." Does that really give them the right to restrict the information so much?
Aren't we all supposed to support the mangaka?
So why did a boy like me have to put up with the bulling of 3 adults just because I wanted to know how to buy the manga?
As I mentioned before, I begged my dad and thanks to that I was able to support Aoki-sensei by buying all the manga. I don't know Japanese or any other language but I think many of us can buy a volume a month, the youngest of us depend on our parents but adults who don't know they can buy manga online and like beyblade and who can support more Where are they?

(Feb. 28, 2021  1:45 PM)marutti Wrote: But read it in illeagal means you make it finish it soon.
Actually unfortunately Bakuten Shoot beyblade next chapter which will relese March 15th will be last chapter.
Why don't they translate?  Because translater's salary is more expensive than sells number.
Because in Japan every month over 100 new comic end and start.
If you translate it all you cost a lot of money.
Listening, Wrighting and Speaking Japanese is really hard but read Japanese is very easy.
Because every letter has each meanings.

(Mar. 01, 2021  8:14 AM)marutti Wrote: Why you can't read Japanese?
Because you gave up before try to study.
In Japanese we say to people like you "If you afraid to lose and give up you don't have chance to win."

(Feb. 28, 2021  11:41 PM)nekodarkkitten Wrote:

(Feb. 28, 2021  9:58 PM)Masterspin Wrote: I think one of the main problems is not buying the manga, not even translating it. I don't know about you. I have seen many manga that, thanks to an illegal translation, legal publication began and there have been two or three mangakas who even give thanks because it is because of them that we know manga in America. I think the main problem is the selfishness or the envy of the fans themselves, and I'm not talking about those who attack which saga is better, if not those who already know where and how to get it and do not support distributing that information, I understand that they It cost them work, but if the problem is that the mangaka is not supported, why not make that information public?
I know this is not the space but I confess that I am a 14-year-old boy who met bakuten through my parents (they don't like it but they told me about the first series). In my eagerness to find more information, I went to various groups and they know what I found? Adults in their 20s and 30s maybe older, being rude and attacking the youngest just "because the beyblade is their life." Does that really give them the right to restrict the information so much?
Aren't we all supposed to support the mangaka?
So why did a boy like me have to put up with the bulling of 3 adults just because I wanted to know how to buy the manga?
As I mentioned before, I begged my dad and thanks to that I was able to support Aoki-sensei by buying all the manga. I don't know Japanese or any other language but I think many of us can buy a volume a month, the youngest of us depend on our parents but adults who don't know they can buy manga online and like beyblade and who can support more Where are they?

But most ppl not everyone of course, when they found it in a language they understand or even their own, the majority won’t bother buying it, that’s why those illegal translations are  harmful to the author. 
I had made an official request to both Aoki sensei and coro coro to share non profit my translations of all manga in both English and Spanish, but until I get an official response I won’t be publishing the volumes for neither, bakuten and rising. I even have in digital format and already translated chapter 16 but I can’t share until I get official approval

(Mar. 04, 2021  4:45 AM)SleepingTsuyoi Wrote:

(Mar. 01, 2021  8:14 AM)marutti Wrote: Why you can't read Japanese?
Because you gave up before try to study.
In Japanese we say to people like you "If you afraid to lose and give up you don't have chance to win."

Sorry to say, but I think you should know about other perspectives than your only perspectives, before you judge other people with your views.

Gave up before try to study? You've judged who couldn't read Japanese properly as you or another Japanese readers. 

Not everyone has priviledge(s) to learn Japanese. Priviledge can be time or money. 

"Maybe they're lazy to learn Japanese and not try enough to learn about it", no. It isn't just about that. I think you should survey and understanding more about Beyblade communities outside WBO about their problems to learn Japanese properly. 

I think why Rising manga would end soon isn't because of illegal reading, since CoroCoro Aniki is focused more to Japanese readers. But, as you've said, because CoroCoro Aniki changed its format to digital only.

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(Feb. 28, 2021  11:41 PM)nekodarkkitten Wrote: But most ppl not everyone of course, when they found it in a language they understand or even their own, the majority won’t bother buying it, that’s why those illegal translations are  harmful to the author. 
I had made an official request to both Aoki sensei and coro coro to share non profit my translations of all manga in both English and Spanish, but until I get an official response I won’t be publishing the volumes for neither, bakuten and rising. I even have in digital format and already translated chapter 16 but I can’t share until I get official approval

I think Marutti was mistaken you as illegal translations and 'start to blame' people who can't read Japanese properly. Same as I've mistaken you at first, but now I understand your points. 

I agree, illegal translations are harmful to authors and artists. I think you've did right thing to request your translations to official parties (Aoki-sensei and CoroCoro Aniki). You did great job to request them with your hardwork.

(Feb. 28, 2021  9:58 PM)Masterspin Wrote: I think one of the main problems is not buying the manga, not even translating it. I don't know about you. I have seen many manga that, thanks to an illegal translation, legal publication began and there have been two or three mangakas who even give thanks because it is because of them that we know manga in America. I think the main problem is the selfishness or the envy of the fans themselves, and I'm not talking about those who attack which saga is better, if not those who already know where and how to get it and do not support distributing that information, I understand that they It cost them work, but if the problem is that the mangaka is not supported, why not make that information public?
I know this is not the space but I confess that I am a 14-year-old boy who met bakuten through my parents (they don't like it but they told me about the first series). In my eagerness to find more information, I went to various groups and they know what I found? Adults in their 20s and 30s maybe older, being rude and attacking the youngest just "because the beyblade is their life." Does that really give them the right to restrict the information so much?
Aren't we all supposed to support the mangaka?
So why did a boy like me have to put up with the bulling of 3 adults just because I wanted to know how to buy the manga?
As I mentioned before, I begged my dad and thanks to that I was able to support Aoki-sensei by buying all the manga. I don't know Japanese or any other language but I think many of us can buy a volume a month, the youngest of us depend on our parents but adults who don't know they can buy manga online and like beyblade and who can support more Where are they?

(Mar. 04, 2021  5:12 AM)nekodarkkitten Wrote:

(Mar. 04, 2021  4:45 AM)SleepingTsuyoi Wrote: Sorry to say, but I think you should know about other perspectives than your only perspectives, before you judge other people with your views.

Gave up before try to study? You've judged who couldn't read Japanese properly as you or another Japanese readers. 

Not everyone has priviledge(s) to learn Japanese. Priviledge can be time or money. 

"Maybe they're lazy to learn Japanese and not try enough to learn about it", no. It isn't just about that. I think you should survey and understanding more about Beyblade communities outside WBO about their problems to learn Japanese properly. 

I think why Rising manga would end soon isn't because of illegal reading, since CoroCoro Aniki is focused more to Japanese readers. But, as you've said, because CoroCoro Aniki changed its format to digital only.

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I think Marutti was mistaken you as illegal translations and 'start to blame' people who can't read Japanese properly. Same as I've mistaken you at first, but now I understand your points. 

I agree, illegal translations are harmful to authors and artists. I think you've did right thing to request your translations to official parties (Aoki-sensei and CoroCoro Aniki). You did great job to request them with your hardwork.

 As far as I can see, the cooro ani will be the testing magazine to the digital format because of all the magazines it has it’s the less profitable, since it dis not sells as much as their others. 
The translations are not the problem, but the distribution since making it available in other languages free without permission ends up being harmful to both the author and the mgazine (no sells for the magazine means they can cancel publishing the series) 
As for the learning Japanese part I won’t comment on that, but I can say this, I have spent half my life learning the language and certifying myself and even now taking a course to properly translate and properly adapt manga, I started learning it thanks to bakuten, also thanks to Aoki sensei I started drawing and learning other languages (currently learning three new languages), I can say even if I am grateful for the official translation to Spanish back in 2007 it doesn’t compare to being able read and watch bakuten in it’s original language because there are things tou can adapt in translations so you have to change them

(Mar. 04, 2021  8:35 AM)marutti Wrote: If it's 20 or 30 years ago I don't say you didn't try to study.
But now you have enough money to study Japanese.
In front of you what is there? PC or  Smartphone with internet.
You don't have time to study? What do you do now?
You do net sarfing.
Then you have money and time.
I'm sure Corocoro Aniki online will be failure.
Because a lot of people buy it for Kaijudo cards.
ebooks doesn't have card and sells number will decrease.

(Mar. 04, 2021  5:45 AM)SleepingTsuyoi Wrote:

(Feb. 28, 2021  9:58 PM)Masterspin Wrote: I think one of the main problems is not buying the manga, not even translating it. I don't know about you. I have seen many manga that, thanks to an illegal translation, legal publication began and there have been two or three mangakas who even give thanks because it is because of them that we know manga in America. I think the main problem is the selfishness or the envy of the fans themselves, and I'm not talking about those who attack which saga is better, if not those who already know where and how to get it and do not support distributing that information, I understand that they It cost them work, but if the problem is that the mangaka is not supported, why not make that information public?
I know this is not the space but I confess that I am a 14-year-old boy who met bakuten through my parents (they don't like it but they told me about the first series). In my eagerness to find more information, I went to various groups and they know what I found? Adults in their 20s and 30s maybe older, being rude and attacking the youngest just "because the beyblade is their life." Does that really give them the right to restrict the information so much?
Aren't we all supposed to support the mangaka?
So why did a boy like me have to put up with the bulling of 3 adults just because I wanted to know how to buy the manga?
As I mentioned before, I begged my dad and thanks to that I was able to support Aoki-sensei by buying all the manga. I don't know Japanese or any other language but I think many of us can buy a volume a month, the youngest of us depend on our parents but adults who don't know they can buy manga online and like beyblade and who can support more Where are they?

I love your views about this and I couldn't agree more. 

I'm sorry for being rude and Out Of Topic to pointing one of the most Bakuten Shoot Beyblade fandom's problem : Gatekeeping and being judgemental to other pereverence and views. 

"You aren't a true Beyblade fans if you don't have their toys!"

"Fangirls/fanboys are different than true Beyblade fans!"

"You have to know Bakuten Shoot Beyblade if you're Beyblade true fan. MFB and Burst are worse!"

"Japanese is easy! Why people couldn't understand that!?" 

Well, a lot of Beyblade fans appreciated Beyblade in different ways. No matter as they support Beyblade in legal ways (buying Beyblade toys, merchandises, manga (both in digital and/or physical manga), etc), as long as they've supported Beyblade in legal ways, are fine. 

I can understand both of Nekodarkitten and Marutti views. Marutti views are focused on Rising selling in pure legal ways and Nekodarkitten views are focused on how to help people who couldn't read Japanese and support to buy legal manga in the same time. 

I agree, Beyblade Rising informations are too limited. 

Marutti already pointed the reason about this : The publisher doesn't want Rising to beat Burst popularity and sales, since Rising is assumed to be supporting of Burst sales to allure older fans to have interest into Burst. 

Sadly, Bakuten Shoot Beyblade still has strong fanbase(s) and most of the fans just couldn't move on from it (yeah, same as me too). I know the translations cost is high. But.... too bad because Rising has chance to sells more for international fans.

"But adults who don't know they can buy manga online and like beyblade and who can support more, where are they?"

This. Not everyone in Beyblade fandom is understand how to buy Beyblade manga (both online or offline). Not everyone have same informations and knowledges as us who know to buy Beyblade manga.

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(Mar. 04, 2021  5:12 AM)nekodarkkitten Wrote:  As far as I can see, the cooro ani will be the testing magazine to the digital format because of all the magazines it has it’s the less profitable, since it dis not sells as much as their others. 
The translations are not the problem, but the distribution since making it available in other languages free without permission ends up being harmful to both the author and the mgazine (no sells for the magazine means they can cancel publishing the series) 
As for the learning Japanese part I won’t comment on that, but I can say this, I have spent half my life learning the language and certifying myself and even now taking a course to properly translate and properly adapt manga, I started learning it thanks to bakuten, also thanks to Aoki sensei I started drawing and learning other languages (currently learning three new languages), I can say even if I am grateful for the official translation to Spanish back in 2007 it doesn’t compare to being able read and watch bakuten in it’s original language because there are things tou can adapt in translations so you have to change them

Yes. I can understand what Marutti stated : CoroCoro Aniki fans are tempted to buy physical edition because bonuses. If CoroCoro Aniki changed their sales into digital only, fans who buy physical edition for bonuses wouldn't buy CoroCoro Aniki anymore. 

Yes, we have to support Aoki-sensei in legal ways, but I agree that distribution for legal translation is the problem. 

I also learned Japanese for years, but I can understand why people is struggled to learn Japanese and not everyone has priviledge to learn Japanese properly. Blame to people who couldn't learn Japanese isn't help to solve this problem. 

Beyblade is masterpiece and Aoki-sensei is amazing. I should admit that he changed a lot of Beyblade fans life 😊

(Mar. 04, 2021  11:15 AM)nekodarkkitten Wrote:

(Mar. 04, 2021  5:45 AM)SleepingTsuyoi Wrote: I love your views about this and I couldn't agree more. 

I'm sorry for being rude and Out Of Topic to pointing one of the most Bakuten Shoot Beyblade fandom's problem : Gatekeeping and being judgemental to other pereverence and views. 

"You aren't a true Beyblade fans if you don't have their toys!"

"Fangirls/fanboys are different than true Beyblade fans!"

"You have to know Bakuten Shoot Beyblade if you're Beyblade true fan. MFB and Burst are worse!"

"Japanese is easy! Why people couldn't understand that!?" 

Well, a lot of Beyblade fans appreciated Beyblade in different ways. No matter as they support Beyblade in legal ways (buying Beyblade toys, merchandises, manga (both in digital and/or physical manga), etc), as long as they've supported Beyblade in legal ways, are fine. 

I can understand both of Nekodarkitten and Marutti views. Marutti views are focused on Rising selling in pure legal ways and Nekodarkitten views are focused on how to help people who couldn't read Japanese and support to buy legal manga in the same time. 

I agree, Beyblade Rising informations are too limited. 

Marutti already pointed the reason about this : The publisher doesn't want Rising to beat Burst popularity and sales, since Rising is assumed to be supporting of Burst sales to allure older fans to have interest into Burst. 

Sadly, Bakuten Shoot Beyblade still has strong fanbase(s) and most of the fans just couldn't move on from it (yeah, same as me too). I know the translations cost is high. But.... too bad because Rising has chance to sells more for international fans.

"But adults who don't know they can buy manga online and like beyblade and who can support more, where are they?"

This. Not everyone in Beyblade fandom is understand how to buy Beyblade manga (both online or offline). Not everyone have same informations and knowledges as us who know to buy Beyblade manga.

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Yes. I can understand what Marutti stated : CoroCoro Aniki fans are tempted to buy physical edition because bonuses. If CoroCoro Aniki changed their sales into digital only, fans who buy physical edition for bonuses wouldn't buy CoroCoro Aniki anymore. 

Yes, we have to support Aoki-sensei in legal ways, but I agree that distribution for legal translation is the problem. 

I also learned Japanese for years, but I can understand why people is struggled to learn Japanese and not everyone has priviledge to learn Japanese properly. Blame to people who couldn't learn Japanese isn't help to solve this problem. 

Beyblade is masterpiece and Aoki-sensei is amazing. I should admit that he changed a lot of Beyblade fans life 😊

I habe had the most terrible experience with so called fans I even had to close my fb account to get away from all the insults and horrible things the people who wanted EVERYTHING EASY AND FREE where doing to me

I’ll continue supporting as always legally and I will never approve illegal distribution. 

I’ve always known rising will end someday so I’ve been in a personal mission as fan of Aoki sensei to buy all his published work so far, not just bakuten so I’m just focusing on that until I get a response to know if I get the official permission to share what I’ve translated, so hopefully coro coro and Aoki sensei might response for my request until then I think I’ll keep my distance from commenting on that. I’ve already explained why it’s ilegal so I hope ppl can support Aoki sensei legally, that’s all

(Mar. 04, 2021  1:03 PM)SleepingTsuyoi Wrote:

(Mar. 04, 2021  11:15 AM)nekodarkkitten Wrote: I habe had the most terrible experience with so called fans I even had to close my fb account to get away from all the insults and horrible things the people who wanted EVERYTHING EASY AND FREE where doing to me

I’ll continue supporting as always legally and I will never approve illegal distribution. 

I’ve always known rising will end someday so I’ve been in a personal mission as fan of Aoki sensei to buy all his published work so far, not just bakuten so I’m just focusing on that until I get a response to know if I get the official permission to share what I’ve translated, so hopefully coro coro and Aoki sensei might response for my request until then I think I’ll keep my distance from commenting on that. I’ve already explained why it’s ilegal so I hope ppl can support Aoki sensei legally, that’s all

Tbh I'm often online on Facebook too, and see your names in a Facebook page (since I followed some Beyblade pages). I've seen some of your translations too. 

That's why I discussed about why no legal manga reader that provide legal translation for Beyblade manga (especially Rising). Actually, there's a lot of Beyblade fans has interest to buy legal Rising manga to support Beyblade, but they've lost interest to read them legally because no manga translation in legal manga provider and end up to rely too much to illegal translation. That isn't a good sign to see fans relied too much for illegal reading. 

I understand that translation cost and manga's popularities have impact to the demand of manga translations in legal manga readers. But it's nothing related to do with manga readers' Japanese languange ability. Blame them for their inability aren't right thing to do. 

Sadly, there's also a lot Beyblade fans who want to read manga translation with easily and freely without any effort to buy them, although there's many ways to buy them in digital or physically. It isn't your fault to translate them, but it's their fault who have tried to take advantage with your translate.

I've bought Rising manga and read by myself since I can read Japanese (although I'm still far from perfect). But I support you because I can understand your mission and your effort to contact Aoki-sensei and CoroCoro Aniki.

I also wish same thing as you, I wish there's manga legal translation from official release, so Beyblade fans who have interest to read legal manga with legal translation can buy it and support Beyblade manga properly.

(Mar. 04, 2021  3:38 PM)nekodarkkitten Wrote:

(Mar. 04, 2021  1:03 PM)SleepingTsuyoi Wrote: Tbh I'm often online on Facebook too, and see your names in a Facebook page (since I followed some Beyblade pages). I've seen some of your translations too. 

That's why I discussed about why no legal manga reader that provide legal translation for Beyblade manga (especially Rising). Actually, there's a lot of Beyblade fans has interest to buy legal Rising manga to support Beyblade, but they've lost interest to read them legally because no manga translation in legal manga provider and end up to rely too much to illegal translation. That isn't a good sign to see fans relied too much for illegal reading. 

I understand that translation cost and manga's popularities have impact to the demand of manga translations in legal manga readers. But it's nothing related to do with manga readers' Japanese languange ability. Blame them for their inability aren't right thing to do. 

Sadly, there's also a lot Beyblade fans who want to read manga translation with easily and freely without any effort to buy them, although there's many ways to buy them in digital or physically. It isn't your fault to translate them, but it's their fault who have tried to take advantage with your translate.

I've bought Rising manga and read by myself since I can read Japanese (although I'm still far from perfect). But I support you because I can understand your mission and your effort to contact Aoki-sensei and CoroCoro Aniki.

I also wish same thing as you, I wish there's manga legal translation from official release, so Beyblade fans who have interest to read legal manga with legal translation can buy it and support Beyblade manga properly.

The first bakuten manga released with an official translation to Spanish in 2007 but it was cancelled because ppl didn’t buy it, they pushed 12 out of 14 volumes. 

The publisher eventually closed and now there’s a new one and fans have asked for bakuten and burst manga but the new publisher have already stated that they won’t spend a cent in bringing it since 1 it was cancelled back in the day for bad sell numbers and 2 because ppl are already reading then for free so they have no desire to spend money and resources to bring something ppl is already reading for free and won’t bother buying it; that’s why I asked for permission to share mine and of course it’ll be non profit for me since I’m not doing it for money, I just want to help Aoki sensei reach both Spanish and English readers, But I don’t know if either of them, Aoki sensei and coro coro, will reply

(Mar. 06, 2021  4:29 AM)marutti Wrote: And one of your misunderstanding is Japanese government didn't deside make copy right law more strictly.
"USA" government which is controlled by disney force Japanese government make copy right law Strictly.
If you complain Japanese copy right law. Ask your government why do you force it to Japanese government.

(Mar. 06, 2021  4:06 AM)marutti Wrote: In Japan questionnaire result is most important.
Because if they don't get good result in questionnaire， Publisher will make author stop to serialised.
if it's stop they'll not sell Tankobon.
And buying beyblade toy or Marchandise will help for TT or Marchandise company but not work to Shogakukan.
For example, Boruto, D-grayman and World Trigger was really popular comic on weekly Jump but, they couldn't get good result in questionnaire and Shueisha make them transfer to other magazine.
Then anyone don't know what's happen to these comic in Japan.

(Mar. 05, 2021  6:46 PM)garv.lohmror Wrote: 🎃I want to say something but marutii can feel offended
No offense 🎃😂😁
And I am really serious 🙂

(Mar. 06, 2021  11:43 AM)marutti Wrote: Actually your way to cheer doesn't work well to Manga.
In Japan, toy is toy, Anime and manga is anime and manga.
For example Bakuten remake manga continued until now and they also sell remake beys. Because both of them are popular.
But, MFB comic finished only 1 Chapter because anyone didn't request to continue in that questionnaire. But toy is still popular and continue selling remake.
If you want to cheer toy you need buy toy, if you want to cheer Manga you need to buy magazine and send questionnaire and buy Tankobon.

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And other reason they don't release Japanese comic in forighen country is protect comic wrighter in your country too.
If only Japanese comic sell well and if your country comic will not sell well what'll happen to your country?

(Mar. 06, 2021  6:42 PM)garv.lohmror Wrote: ...everyone has there own point of view ....marutii cannot understand because he is not from foreign ...marutii brother you cannot understand the situation...because you are from Japan and everything his easy for you ..and you think that same is the case for others ..but it isn't..it's okay .?because if I would be there in place of marutti may be I also couldn't understand