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RE: Make your suggestions! - Tris - Sep. 01, 2012
(Sep. 01, 2012 8:46 PM)Ultra Wrote: Is there a reason they couldn't simply be ignored till their posts are deleted by the Mods though? Could have a harsh policy that anyone who spams it could be warned.
That would be great, actually. Like other useless posts, report, ignore and move on.
We can just go with that, if the topic is released to everyone.
RE: Make your suggestions! - Dark_Mousy - Sep. 01, 2012
(Sep. 01, 2012 8:46 PM)Ultra Wrote: Is there a reason they couldn't simply be ignored till their posts are deleted by the Mods though? Could have a harsh policy that anyone who spams it could be warned.
I would be up for that. A rule stating they get a 20% warning for a post that is considered spam or has no testing to support it.
RE: Make your suggestions! - Poseidon - Sep. 01, 2012
(Sep. 01, 2012 8:46 PM)Ultra Wrote: Is there a reason they couldn't simply be ignored till their posts are deleted by the Mods though? Could have a harsh policy that anyone who spams it could be warned.
That would properly mean a lot more work for the moderators. What do you mean when you say spam- as in completely irrelevant information or useless/ outdated / trying to be helpful information? Why not make another ranking or whatevr so a wider group of advanced members can post in too speed up the process? Speed up the process and avoid spam.
RE: Make your suggestions! - Dark_Mousy - Sep. 01, 2012
(Sep. 01, 2012 8:54 PM)Poseidon Wrote: That would properly mean a lot more work for the moderators. What do you mean when you say spam- as in completely irrelevant information or useless/ outdated / trying to be helpful information? Why not make another ranking or whatevr so a wider group of advanced members can post in too speed up the process? Speed up the process and avoid spam.
Only problem with making another group like advanced members is there would be another forum. There is already a lot of forums up here. I think a wider group of advanced members is needed. People who post good and give good results.
RE: Make your suggestions! - th!nk - Sep. 01, 2012
(Sep. 01, 2012 8:54 PM)Poseidon Wrote:(Sep. 01, 2012 8:46 PM)Ultra Wrote: Is there a reason they couldn't simply be ignored till their posts are deleted by the Mods though? Could have a harsh policy that anyone who spams it could be warned.
That would properly mean a lot more work for the moderators. What do you mean when you say spam- as in completely irrelevant information or useless/ outdated / trying to be helpful information? Why not make another ranking or whatevr so a wider group of advanced members can post in too speed up the process? Speed up the process and avoid spam.
Making that second ranking would create even more work for the committee than simply opening up a discussion thread. I've suggested another ranking before for a few things, but it's not going to happen.
Plus, the kinds of bad posts being discussed here are much less common these days, which is why I think it's time to re-open the thread.
RE: Make your suggestions! - sarabscientist - Sep. 01, 2012
Maybe you can't post until you have at least one proper testing thread? I really don't want there to be another Build me a Combo type situation happening.
RE: Make your suggestions! - th!nk - Sep. 01, 2012
Making threads isn't important, contributing to them is. "Tester" groups and the like have been suggested before, and it's pretty obvious by now the committee aren't keen on the idea.
Yes, BMaC is terrible, but this kind of thread is far less prone to those issues as it's much more evident when someone is wrong, and being wrong doesn't negatively affect other users any more than having to say "no, you're wrong", or even better, hit the report button.
Yeah, there will be those sorts of posts but I really don't think there's an issue with at least giving it a shot. There's a whole lot to gain from it, and we really, really need it. I don't think the list has been updated since the start of Zero-G lol.
RE: Make your suggestions! - sarabscientist - Sep. 01, 2012
I meant, to restrict the thread to only legitimate discussion, you could make it a rule that you are only eligible to post if you have at least one proper testing thread. Keeps it cleaner, I suppose.
RE: Make your suggestions! - Poseidon - Sep. 01, 2012
(Sep. 01, 2012 8:59 PM)th!nk Wrote: Making that second ranking would create even more work for the committee than simply opening up a discussion thread. I've suggested another ranking before for a few things, but it's not going to happen.Well what about people who have the antique face? That could be considered a ranking in itself, if we make it so people with that face have something to make them stand out a little more, the work for that second ranking is done. People with that face would contribute considering they have already proofed themself to be members who dont spam and help out in the sight. Ontop of all this, the standards of meeting this are much lower than making it to being an advanced member, so this group would be growing.
RE: Make your suggestions! - th!nk - Sep. 01, 2012
There are plenty of extremely intelligent users who don't have an antique face.
Again, my suggestion is to open it up to absolutely everyone, and I'm not going to continue discussing this pointless idea of restricting it/introducing another 'tier' of membership. It's not going to happen, and it just weakens the suggestion.
RE: Make your suggestions! - sarabscientist - Sep. 01, 2012
On the subject of rankings, the antique face isn't that much of an achievement. You could have a "Testing Face" for people who have a minimum of three legitimate testing threads? It could be a "stepping stone" to advanced per se. But it is still a long while away t'ill advanced.
And, introducing a new rank for testing would (IMO) attract people to do more testing (which could be good) but then we could have false testing and whole other types of fraud (*cough* Mu).
RE: Make your suggestions! - Tri - Sep. 01, 2012
(Sep. 01, 2012 9:11 PM)Insomniac Wrote: On the subject of rankings, the antique face isn't that much of an achievement. You could have a "Testing Face" for people who have a minimum of three legitimate testing threads? It could be a "stepping stone" to advanced per se. But it is still a long while away t'ill advanced.
And, introducing a new rank for testing would (IMO) attract people to do more testing (which could be good) but then we could have false testing and whole other types of fraud (*cough* Mu).
What if they were to post a video showing proper testing? Could they recieve a face as such then?
RE: Make your suggestions! - th!nk - Sep. 01, 2012
Again, similar has already been suggested, by me IIRC.
Part of the basis of my suggestion is that it's a simple thing that doesn't require any additional framework or time to get it going.
RE: Make your suggestions! - sarabscientist - Sep. 01, 2012
(Sep. 01, 2012 9:12 PM)th!nk Wrote: Again, already been suggested, by me IIRC.
I'm slow at posting >_<
I can see the BMaC thing starting here if not restricted to legit discussion. But that's just me. Of course, a defined set of rules in the OP would certainly help though.
RE: Make your suggestions! - th!nk - Sep. 01, 2012
Defined rule sets are a necessity but do little to help. That said, part of the issue with BMaC is that you can't really warn someone for bad recommendations apparently (I don't understand why not but anyway). At least this kind of thing could be policed slightly better.
Perhaps it could be a rule that there is testing to back up any suggestions, and that that testing is linked in the suggestion posts. That would make it easy to keep in check, and then if people want something up there, well I guess they'll have to test it, won't they?
RE: Make your suggestions! - Poseidon - Sep. 01, 2012
(Sep. 01, 2012 9:11 PM)Insomniac Wrote: On the subject of rankings, the antique face isn't that much of an achievement. You could have a "Testing Face" for people who have a minimum of three legitimate testing threads? It could be a "stepping stone" to advanced per se. But it is still a long while away t'ill advanced.But being an advanced member requires more than just testing, doesn't it, agreed it could be considered a requirement however.
And, introducing a new rank for testing would (IMO) attract people to do more testing (which could be good) but then we could have false testing and whole other types of fraud (*cough* Mu).
And about my point of the advanced face, it isn't too much of an achievement agrees, as well there's many intelligent members who don't have the face. But the list of people who have this face could be like a starting point and then those who don't have the face but are intelligent to a certain standard can be added to this second group.
About the fact that it isn't too much of achievement. Exactly! It filters out those who spam or who say aren't very helpful so the mods wouldn't have to deal with that and it's easy for people too get to this group. This group could, potentially, be used for other threads.
RE: Make your suggestions! - sarabscientist - Sep. 01, 2012
(Sep. 01, 2012 9:18 PM)th!nk Wrote: Perhaps it could be a rule that there is testing to back up any suggestions, and that that testing is provided in posts. That would make it easy to keep in check, and then if people want something up there, well I guess they'll have to test it, won't they?
And that no one should "comment" or "critique" a suggestion without having any sense of what they are talking about. Like in BMaC, some people who suggest, I question if they have the slightest idea what they are suggesting. For this to not turn into that, you could ultimately say that if you don't know what you're talking about, don't post. And then, if they do post with nonconstructive posts, there could be a harsher policing system.
We're trying to build a better top tier list, right? So why not keep the thread and posts top-tier as well?
RE: Make your suggestions! - th!nk - Sep. 01, 2012
Just drop the discussion already poseidon, as I said, it won't happen, the time spent on that would be infinitely more than the time spent on a thread open to everyone.
@Insomniac: Well, having a clue what you're talking about is required by the forum as a whole, my friend. It's just not enforced properly in BMaC for some reason.
I'm fond of the "Suggest Without Tests and Your Post Gets Suppressed" route.
RE: Make your suggestions! - Ingulit - Sep. 01, 2012
I'd love to see a public tier list discussion since the Advanced forum isn't terribly active. The Advanced forum's thread could be used as a "final word" of sorts, with the public one there to promote conversation. That way even if random people post incorrect things in the public thread, those mistakes won't be carried over into the "official" list/discussion.
RE: Make your suggestions! - th!nk - Sep. 01, 2012
Exactly.
You know, the bad posts could just be ignored completely. Unless they derail the thread, they're not going to harm anyone, other than time wasted responding, and it's not like we're going to add anything because someone with twice as many deleted threads as posts says "u shud maek cybor pagisis sw125s top tier bcoz it beats mooncake and defense"
RE: Make your suggestions! - sarabscientist - Sep. 01, 2012
(Sep. 01, 2012 9:23 PM)th!nk Wrote: I'm fond of the "Suggest Without Tests and Your Post Gets Suppressed" route.
I agree with this, and Inguilt's idea of advanced finalization.
And that is all I have to provide on this suggestion.
RE: Make your suggestions! - Kai-V - Sep. 02, 2012
You all know that we did try the public top tier list idea before, right ?
RE: Make your suggestions! - Tris - Sep. 02, 2012
(Sep. 02, 2012 1:58 AM)Kai-V Wrote: You all know that we did try the public top tier list idea before, right ?
Yeah, but as Th!nk said, a lot of the users around this forum can provide really good knowledge & input on today's metagame but don't meet up to the veteran requirements to post in the Competitive Combos Discussion List, as opposed to before, IIRC.
RE: Make your suggestions! - sarabscientist - Sep. 02, 2012
(Sep. 02, 2012 1:58 AM)Kai-V Wrote: You all know that we did try the public top tier list idea before, right ?
The userbase has changed, is what th!nk is saying (I think). So why not give it one more shot?
RE: Make your suggestions! - Tris - Sep. 02, 2012
(Sep. 02, 2012 2:06 AM)Insomniac Wrote:(Sep. 02, 2012 1:58 AM)Kai-V Wrote: You all know that we did try the public top tier list idea before, right ?
The userbase has changed, is what th!nk is saying (I think). So why not give it one more shot?
I agree. And if it doesn't work out, we could always close it to the public, and back for only the Veterans. Unless we're making a new topic for the public, completely separate to the Veteran topic. We could always close that thread.