(Jan. 04, 2015  7:56 PM)Dual Wrote:

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(Jan. 04, 2015  7:42 PM)MissKarat Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2015  7:31 PM)Dual Wrote: Oh, I don't like beyraiderz, I like beywheelz. But I completely respect your opinion, I was just trying to make my point clear.

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Is...that really why you hate Beywheelz? Well hey, beyblades are stupid because they aren't actual blades! There are many things I would like to say here (for example, you putting words in my mouth. Beywheelz are nowhere close to beyblades in terms of quality as a product), but all I will say is this.

One of three things are happening here, I'm almost certain. Either you hate beywheelz so much that you are looking for anything wrong with it to use against it, you really do hate beywheelz just because you think that it's some sort of crime to call something a "bey" because it spins (as oppose to it being part of, of I don't know, the beyblade franchise?), or you are going out of your way to attack me because of something I said (which I don't think is the case, you seem like a good person).

That's all I'm gonna say on the matter, this is really off-topic and that's partially my fault, so I'll stop talking about the subject.

If you read more carefully, I said that things that spin BUT aren't spinning tops DON'T make them 'beys'. "Beys" come from beigomas which were spinning tops...Beyblades are spinning tops...Beywheelz are NOT...

AND I didn't say that calling something that spins a "bey" was a crime, I said that you can't just call them"beys" because they spin...so if anyone is putting words in my mouth, it's you. Also, yes you areattacking me by making me look like I am saying something idiotic (which I'm not).

Must I repeat myself again? Because everytime I explain something, people mis-interprets it and thinks I mean something else even though I am saying iypt black and white, clear as crystal.

So my second point stands. Actually, yes, you can call something a bey if it doesn't spin like a top. Just because for some reason it bothers you, doesn't mean it can't be done. So they're called "beys" even though they don't spin. Who cares? I think you should read a bit more carefully. Maybe they're called beys because they are part of the beyblade franchise.

Also, these percieved "attacks" are just that, perceived. I am not personally attacking you, I am pointing out what I think are discrepancies in your argument.

Jinbee I quite liked the anime. Yes the characters were ripoffs, but so were MFB's. Yes the story was cheesy, but so was MFB's. What I liked about it was this. Hasbro, not putting in too much effort, made a TV show that had actual character development, interpersonal conflict that seemed real, and (one upping MFB) no really annoying voice actors.

Of course Beyraiderz took that, ate it, excreted it, and proceeded to bash it with a flathead shovel multiple times.

(Jan. 04, 2015  8:03 PM)Dual Wrote: Just clarifying, so if it was its own franchise, you would have liked it, but since it's part of beyblade, you don't? Even though it would have brought no changes to the toy itself.

(Jan. 04, 2015  7:56 PM)Dual Wrote:

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(Jan. 04, 2015  7:42 PM)MissKarat Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2015  7:31 PM)Dual Wrote: Oh, I don't like beyraiderz, I like beywheelz. But I completely respect your opinion, I was just trying to make my point clear.

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Is...that really why you hate Beywheelz? Well hey, beyblades are stupid because they aren't actual blades! There are many things I would like to say here (for example, you putting words in my mouth. Beywheelz are nowhere close to beyblades in terms of quality as a product), but all I will say is this.

One of three things are happening here, I'm almost certain. Either you hate beywheelz so much that you are looking for anything wrong with it to use against it, you really do hate beywheelz just because you think that it's some sort of crime to call something a "bey" because it spins (as oppose to it being part of, of I don't know, the beyblade franchise?), or you are going out of your way to attack me because of something I said (which I don't think is the case, you seem like a good person).

That's all I'm gonna say on the matter, this is really off-topic and that's partially my fault, so I'll stop talking about the subject.

If you read more carefully, I said that things that spin BUT aren't spinning tops DON'T make them 'beys'. "Beys" come from beigomas which were spinning tops...Beyblades are spinning tops...Beywheelz are NOT...

AND I didn't say that calling something that spins a "bey" was a crime, I said that you can't just call them"beys" because they spin...so if anyone is putting words in my mouth, it's you. Also, yes you areattacking me by making me look like I am saying something idiotic (which I'm not).

Must I repeat myself again? Because everytime I explain something, people mis-interprets it and thinks I mean something else even though I am saying iypt black and white, clear as crystal.

So my second point stands. Actually, yes, you can call something a bey if it doesn't spin like a top. Just because for some reason it bothers you, doesn't mean it can't be done. So they're called "beys" even though they don't spin. Who cares? I think you should read a bit more carefully. Maybe they're called beys because they are part of the beyblade franchise.

Also, these percieved "attacks" are just that, perceived. I am not personally attacking you, I am pointing out what I think are discrepancies in your argument.

Jinbee I quite liked the anime. Yes the characters were ripoffs, but so were MFB's. Yes the story was cheesy, but so was MFB's. What I liked about it was this. Hasbro, not putting in too much effort, made a TV show that had actual character development, interpersonal conflict that seemed real, and (one upping MFB) no really annoying voice actors.

Of course Beyraiderz took that, ate it, excreted it, and proceeded to bash it with a flathead shovel multiple times.

(Jan. 04, 2015  8:11 PM)MissKarat Wrote: I don't feel Beyblade is a spinning top franchise anymore, it feels like they added new things that made Beyblade go into radical direcions.

(Jan. 04, 2015  8:30 PM)TeamAgroBlast Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2015  8:11 PM)MissKarat Wrote: I don't feel Beyblade is a spinning top franchise anymore, it feels like they added new things that made Beyblade go into radical direcions.

I totally agree with this ^

Can't we all just agree that they should've just stuck with Beyblade, And shouldn't have made BeyRaiderz & BeyWheelz.

(Jan. 04, 2015  8:26 PM)Dual Wrote: The fact that it was a reboot is a much worse excuse to copy characters than spin-off. A spin-off is a side attraction, not meant to make the most money. MFB was.

As for the characters, I must disagree. The brothers had some of the best interpersonal drama I believe can be expected of a show for a toy. Sho was much less annoying compared to Ginga, and the lack of "beyspirit" made me happy. Jin was a solid character, Leon was a character full of pride, but he learned to overcome this to help others, and I could go on.

It all comes down to preference I guess, but I thought the characters and plot were fairly solid, for a spin-off of a series about a spinning top.

(Jan. 04, 2015  8:46 PM)MissKarat Wrote: Whilst I'm not a fan of Beywheelz, if anyone wants me to give my personal redeeming values of Beywheelz...here it is:
Toys
• Visuals - The toys do look nice. The colours match a lot of the Beywheelz (Especially Striker and Pegasus) although some I feel don't...I'm looking at Destroyer and Kerbecs (although Kerbecs still looks cool)
• Few moments of fun - Whilst I thought the toys overall not spectacular, there is one thing thats fun about them and that is that you can set up a race track with obstacles and then have a race with them. It's the only time I had fun with Beywheelz.

The Show
• Good female characters - You all know I hugely despised female characters from MFB (Because I like female characters in anime) such as Hikaru and especially that AWFUL Ren because they were both weak and both sucked...well...Beywheelz actually got it right because Nicole is actually a capable and skilled player and Ren was just weak, useless and annoying. I even liked Lucy because she was a villian and having a female villian is cool (although Selen was a slap in the face).
• Sho is not as bad as Gingka (In Beywheelz at least) - Sho does not have broken skills which will always dominate his opponents. He has more development whethers Gingka has little to none because he was strong from the start which bored me to death. Sho has shown to struggle in his first battles but gets stronger whilst Gingka uses his blader spirit carp to beat everyone.
• Jin - I liked Jin, he was cool but he does not have to be a power-hungry, left-rotating obsessed freakto be cool. He is understanding and he does seem to be one of the few original characters.
• The battle with Sho and Ryan - The settings that took place of their battle looks amazing. It is all techno and suitable.
• The voices suit each character - MFB had characters such as Benkei and Takanosuke who had unsuitable voices in the dub. Beywheelz actually had voices which suited each character.

I'm not saying I like or hate Beywheelz. I'm just not that into it but at least it is watchable unlike BeyRaiderz (who no-one can change my opinion on because of how much I hated it).

(Jan. 04, 2015  8:46 PM)MissKarat Wrote: Whilst I'm not a fan of Beywheelz, if anyone wants me to give my personal redeeming values of Beywheelz...here it is:
Toys
• Visuals - The toys do look nice. The colours match a lot of the Beywheelz (Especially Striker and Pegasus) although some I feel don't...I'm looking at Destroyer and Kerbecs (although Kerbecs still looks cool)
• Few moments of fun - Whilst I thought the toys overall not spectacular, there is one thing thats fun about them and that is that you can set up a race track with obstacles and then have a race with them. It's the only time I had fun with Beywheelz.

The Show
• Good female characters - You all know I hugely despised female characters from MFB (Because I like female characters in anime) such as Hikaru and especially that AWFUL Ren because they were both weak and both sucked...well...Beywheelz actually got it right because Nicole is actually a capable and skilled player and Ren was just weak, useless and annoying. I even liked Lucy because she was a villian and having a female villian is cool (although Selen was a slap in the face).
• Sho is not as bad as Gingka (In Beywheelz at least) - Sho does not have broken skills which will always dominate his opponents. He has more development whethers Gingka has little to none because he was strong from the start which bored me to death. Sho has shown to struggle in his first battles but gets stronger whilst Gingka uses his blader spirit carp to beat everyone.
• Jin - I liked Jin, he was cool but he does not have to be a power-hungry, left-rotating obsessed freakto be cool. He is understanding and he does seem to be one of the few original characters.
• The battle with Sho and Ryan - The settings that took place of their battle looks amazing. It is all techno and suitable.
• The voices suit each character - MFB had characters such as Benkei and Takanosuke who had unsuitable voices in the dub. Beywheelz actually had voices which suited each character.

I'm not saying I like or hate Beywheelz. I'm just not that into it but at least it is watchable unlike BeyRaiderz (who no-one can change my opinion on because of how much I hated it).

(Jan. 04, 2015  9:13 PM)Galaxynovapegs Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2015  8:46 PM)MissKarat Wrote: Whilst I'm not a fan of Beywheelz, if anyone wants me to give my personal redeeming values of Beywheelz...here it is:
Toys
• Visuals - The toys do look nice. The colours match a lot of the Beywheelz (Especially Striker and Pegasus) although some I feel don't...I'm looking at Destroyer and Kerbecs (although Kerbecs still looks cool)
• Few moments of fun - Whilst I thought the toys overall not spectacular, there is one thing thats fun about them and that is that you can set up a race track with obstacles and then have a race with them. It's the only time I had fun with Beywheelz.

The Show
• Good female characters - You all know I hugely despised female characters from MFB (Because I like female characters in anime) such as Hikaru and especially that AWFUL Ren because they were both weak and both sucked...well...Beywheelz actually got it right because Nicole is actually a capable and skilled player and Ren was just weak, useless and annoying. I even liked Lucy because she was a villian and having a female villian is cool (although Selen was a slap in the face).
• Sho is not as bad as Gingka (In Beywheelz at least) - Sho does not have broken skills which will always dominate his opponents. He has more development whethers Gingka has little to none because he was strong from the start which bored me to death. Sho has shown to struggle in his first battles but gets stronger whilst Gingka uses his blader spirit carp to beat everyone.
• Jin - I liked Jin, he was cool but he does not have to be a power-hungry, left-rotating obsessed freakto be cool. He is understanding and he does seem to be one of the few original characters.
• The battle with Sho and Ryan - The settings that took place of their battle looks amazing. It is all techno and suitable.
• The voices suit each character - MFB had characters such as Benkei and Takanosuke who had unsuitable voices in the dub. Beywheelz actually had voices which suited each character.

I'm not saying I like or hate Beywheelz. I'm just not that into it but at least it is watchable unlike BeyRaiderz (who no-one can change my opinion on because of how much I hated it).

Actually, Ginka has struggled a lot in his past and Hyoma beat him everytime andhe was weak. The reason Ginka seems to be strong in the first place is as they show him after he's become strong. He has also lost a fair amount of battles and he still has problems, like when in his first battle with Ryuga I was like"Um, dude? is this Ginka guy possessed or something?"

(Jan. 04, 2015  9:17 PM)JinbeeTheShark Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2015  9:13 PM)Galaxynovapegs Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2015  8:46 PM)MissKarat Wrote: Whilst I'm not a fan of Beywheelz, if anyone wants me to give my personal redeeming values of Beywheelz...here it is:
Toys
• Visuals - The toys do look nice. The colours match a lot of the Beywheelz (Especially Striker and Pegasus) although some I feel don't...I'm looking at Destroyer and Kerbecs (although Kerbecs still looks cool)
• Few moments of fun - Whilst I thought the toys overall not spectacular, there is one thing thats fun about them and that is that you can set up a race track with obstacles and then have a race with them. It's the only time I had fun with Beywheelz.

The Show
• Good female characters - You all know I hugely despised female characters from MFB (Because I like female characters in anime) such as Hikaru and especially that AWFUL Ren because they were both weak and both sucked...well...Beywheelz actually got it right because Nicole is actually a capable and skilled player and Ren was just weak, useless and annoying. I even liked Lucy because she was a villian and having a female villian is cool (although Selen was a slap in the face).
• Sho is not as bad as Gingka (In Beywheelz at least) - Sho does not have broken skills which will always dominate his opponents. He has more development whethers Gingka has little to none because he was strong from the start which bored me to death. Sho has shown to struggle in his first battles but gets stronger whilst Gingka uses his blader spirit carp to beat everyone.
• Jin - I liked Jin, he was cool but he does not have to be a power-hungry, left-rotating obsessed freakto be cool. He is understanding and he does seem to be one of the few original characters.
• The battle with Sho and Ryan - The settings that took place of their battle looks amazing. It is all techno and suitable.
• The voices suit each character - MFB had characters such as Benkei and Takanosuke who had unsuitable voices in the dub. Beywheelz actually had voices which suited each character.

I'm not saying I like or hate Beywheelz. I'm just not that into it but at least it is watchable unlike BeyRaiderz (who no-one can change my opinion on because of how much I hated it).

Actually, Ginka has struggled a lot in his past and Hyoma beat him everytime andhe was weak. The reason Ginka seems to be strong in the first place is as they show him after he's become strong. He has also lost a fair amount of battles and he still has problems, like when in his first battle with Ryuga I was like"Um, dude? is this Ginka guy possessed or something?"

Yes but we never see that, and his first impressions make him seem like a winner most of the time.

Always predictable, an opponent closes his/her eyes and says "Looks like I win" but Gingka says "Not quite" and blabs about Blader Spirit and all that stupid nonsense and it's so repetitive and boring.

(Jan. 04, 2015  9:22 PM)TeamAgroBlast Wrote: Not all the time ^ and theres way more battles we watch, other than Gingka's, Like Kyoya's, Kenta's, Tsubasa, Ryuga's, & Yu's, & Etc...

(Jan. 04, 2015  9:22 PM)TeamAgroBlast Wrote: Not all the time ^ and theres way more battles we watch, other than Gingka's, Like Kyoya's, Kenta's, Tsubasa, Ryuga's, & Yu's, & Etc...

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(Jan. 04, 2015  9:22 PM)TeamAgroBlast Wrote: Not all the time ^ and theres way more battles we watch, other than Gingka's, Like Kyoya's, Kenta's, Tsubasa, Ryuga's, & Yu's, & Etc...

In Response To JinbeeTheShark

(Jan. 04, 2015  9:24 PM)Dual Wrote: @Galaxynovapegs But we aren't in the anime world. The beyspirit crud was really really annoying, and laughable.

(Jan. 04, 2015  9:24 PM)Galaxynovapegs Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2015  9:22 PM)TeamAgroBlast Wrote: Not all the time ^ and theres way more battles we watch, other than Gingka's, Like Kyoya's, Kenta's, Tsubasa, Ryuga's, & Yu's, & Etc...

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(Jan. 04, 2015  9:22 PM)TeamAgroBlast Wrote: Not all the time ^ and theres way more battles we watch, other than Gingka's, Like Kyoya's, Kenta's, Tsubasa, Ryuga's, & Yu's, & Etc...

In Response To JinbeeTheShark

My thoughts exactly.

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(Jan. 04, 2015  9:24 PM)Dual Wrote: @Galaxynovapegs But we aren't in the anime world. The beyspirit crud was really really annoying, and laughable.

That "crud" isn't even mentioned in 40% of the episodes.

(Jan. 04, 2015  9:28 PM)JinbeeTheShark Wrote: I'm allowed to say the Beyblade Spirit thing is stupid because I have an opinion, it's repetitive and cheesy.

Yeah, there's many battles but the ones with Gingka are frequent and nearly always the same, Ryuga isn't much better in this case, infact he is worse because he overpowers everything and their battles are so tedious to watch. The battles you mention don't drag out as long as Gingkas, and OF COURSE there's going to be a lot of battles from what you have listed, because there's a lot of characters you listed. Gingkas battles only ever develop himself a few times and mostly it's pointless.

I'm starting to really appreciate Sho and Jin, especially Jin.

(Jan. 04, 2015  9:34 PM)Galaxynovapegs Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2015  9:28 PM)JinbeeTheShark Wrote: I'm allowed to say the Beyblade Spirit thing is stupid because I have an opinion, it's repetitive and cheesy.

Yeah, there's many battles but the ones with Gingka are frequent and nearly always the same, Ryuga isn't much better in this case, infact he is worse because he overpowers everything and their battles are so tedious to watch. The battles you mention don't drag out as long as Gingkas, and OF COURSE there's going to be a lot of battles from what you have listed, because there's a lot of characters you listed. Gingkas battles only ever develop himself a few times and mostly it's pointless.

I'm starting to really appreciate Sho and Jin, especially Jin.

they(each of the battles except the ones that were tooo easy and quick and weren't even considered battles-like when ginka shot his bey at benkei and the others to save Kenta.)develop him a lot but you just rarely get to completely be able to see it.

(Jan. 04, 2015  8:32 PM)Hato-Bokkun Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2015  8:30 PM)TeamAgroBlast Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2015  8:11 PM)MissKarat Wrote: I don't feel Beyblade is a spinning top franchise anymore, it feels like they added new things that made Beyblade go into radical direcions.

I totally agree with this ^

Can't we all just agree that they should've just stuck with Beyblade, And shouldn't have made BeyRaiderz & BeyWheelz.

Agreed. Argument solved

(Jan. 04, 2015  9:02 PM)TeamAgroBlast Wrote:

(Jan. 04, 2015  8:46 PM)MissKarat Wrote: Whilst I'm not a fan of Beywheelz, if anyone wants me to give my personal redeeming values of Beywheelz...here it is:
Toys
• Visuals - The toys do look nice. The colours match a lot of the Beywheelz (Especially Striker and Pegasus) although some I feel don't...I'm looking at Destroyer and Kerbecs (although Kerbecs still looks cool)
• Few moments of fun - Whilst I thought the toys overall not spectacular, there is one thing thats fun about them and that is that you can set up a race track with obstacles and then have a race with them. It's the only time I had fun with Beywheelz.

The Show
• Good female characters - You all know I hugely despised female characters from MFB (Because I like female characters in anime) such as Hikaru and especially that AWFUL Ren because they were both weak and both sucked...well...Beywheelz actually got it right because Nicole is actually a capable and skilled player and Ren was just weak, useless and annoying. I even liked Lucy because she was a villian and having a female villian is cool (although Selen was a slap in the face).
• Sho is not as bad as Gingka (In Beywheelz at least) - Sho does not have broken skills which will always dominate his opponents. He has more development whethers Gingka has little to none because he was strong from the start which bored me to death. Sho has shown to struggle in his first battles but gets stronger whilst Gingka uses his blader spirit carp to beat everyone.
• Jin - I liked Jin, he was cool but he does not have to be a power-hungry, left-rotating obsessed freakto be cool. He is understanding and he does seem to be one of the few original characters.
• The battle with Sho and Ryan - The settings that took place of their battle looks amazing. It is all techno and suitable.
• The voices suit each character - MFB had characters such as Benkei and Takanosuke who had unsuitable voices in the dub. Beywheelz actually had voices which suited each character.

I'm not saying I like or hate Beywheelz. I'm just not that into it but at least it is watchable unlike BeyRaiderz (who no-one can change my opinion on because of how much I hated it).

Who say the main character Always has to develop ? Is That a rule? Gingka was a strong blader, but there were plenty of stronger bladers than him, who he had to learn to defeat. And Yes the series does revolve around Gingka, But we still can't forget about Kenta! I mean, he was there from the start, the guy came in & he was total trash! but look at him now. I think most of the "character development" you were looking for revolved around Kenta.