(Jul. 04, 2020  4:34 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jul. 04, 2020  4:30 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote: I’m trying to make a point that u can’t just go off one match and say someone is stronger then someone

Sure you can, just go off of their latest match or rankings or latest implications. There are some things that are just common sense- for example, had Shu’s bey not broken in s1 he obviously would have beaten Lui as Spryzen was spinning smoothly while Luinor was barely rotating. It’s not hard to tell and win records and not a smart way to tell how strong a blader is. Just think to yourself for a second; is Valt really weaker than Shu in s2 if he beats him in the end, just repeat that in your head.

(Jul. 04, 2020  4:55 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote:

(Jul. 04, 2020  4:34 PM)Zeutron Wrote: Sure you can, just go off of their latest match or rankings or latest implications. There are some things that are just common sense- for example, had Shu’s bey not broken in s1 he obviously would have beaten Lui as Spryzen was spinning smoothly while Luinor was barely rotating. It’s not hard to tell and win records and not a smart way to tell how strong a blader is. Just think to yourself for a second; is Valt really weaker than Shu in s2 if he beats him in the end, just repeat that in your head.

Well u could say the same thing at the end of s2 if spriggan didn’t burst by luck then shu would have won because Valkyrie already used ultimate reboot so it can’t gain anymore power and stamina but spriggan can because of the rubber

(Jul. 04, 2020  5:35 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jul. 04, 2020  4:55 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote: Well u could say the same thing at the end of s2 if spriggan didn’t burst by luck then shu would have won because Valkyrie already used ultimate reboot so it can’t gain anymore power and stamina but spriggan can because of the rubber

At the end of s2 Spryzen did not burst by luck though. Genesis whip clearly overpowered requiem whip and Vatryek broke though. Valt didn’t need more power or stamina since Valtryek had enough to burst Spryzen and Spryzen can’t spin steal for Valtryek if it is spinning slower than Spryzen itself. I mean, we even saw the Valtryek avatar slashing the Spryzen avatar through its chest followed by it exploding what more proof do we really need that Valt clearly won fairly by skill? Lol

(Jul. 04, 2020  7:42 PM)Isaiah.burley Wrote:

(Jul. 04, 2020  5:35 PM)Zeutron Wrote: At the end of s2 Spryzen did not burst by luck though. Genesis whip clearly overpowered requiem whip and Vatryek broke though. Valt didn’t need more power or stamina since Valtryek had enough to burst Spryzen and Spryzen can’t spin steal for Valtryek if it is spinning slower than Spryzen itself. I mean, we even saw the Valtryek avatar slashing the Spryzen avatar through its chest followed by it exploding what more proof do we really need that Valt clearly won fairly by skill? Lol

Valkyrie didn’t break.

(Jul. 04, 2020  7:42 PM)Isaiah.burley Wrote:

(Jul. 04, 2020  5:35 PM)Zeutron Wrote: At the end of s2 Spryzen did not burst by luck though. Genesis whip clearly overpowered requiem whip and Vatryek broke though. Valt didn’t need more power or stamina since Valtryek had enough to burst Spryzen and Spryzen can’t spin steal for Valtryek if it is spinning slower than Spryzen itself. I mean, we even saw the Valtryek avatar slashing the Spryzen avatar through its chest followed by it exploding what more proof do we really need that Valt clearly won fairly by skill? Lol

Valkyrie didn’t break.

(Jul. 04, 2020  9:03 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote:

(Jul. 04, 2020  7:42 PM)Isaiah.burley Wrote: Valkyrie didn’t break.

Well he did in the first match but not in the final in the manga I think spriggan requiem broke

(Jul. 04, 2020  9:28 PM)God Dragruler Wrote:

(Jul. 04, 2020  9:03 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote: Well he did in the first match but not in the final in the manga I think spriggan requiem broke

spriggan requiem didn't broke in the manga legend spriggan though did get broken by nightmare longinus which brought requiem In action (which by the way was better than how the anime did it)

(Jul. 04, 2020  5:35 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jul. 04, 2020  4:55 PM)ShaDowTr3x Wrote: Well u could say the same thing at the end of s2 if spriggan didn’t burst by luck then shu would have won because Valkyrie already used ultimate reboot so it can’t gain anymore power and stamina but spriggan can because of the rubber

At the end of s2 Spryzen did not burst by luck though. Genesis whip clearly overpowered requiem whip and Vatryek broke though. Valt didn’t need more power or stamina since Valtryek had enough to burst Spryzen and Spryzen can’t spin steal for Valtryek if it is spinning slower than Spryzen itself. I mean, we even saw the Valtryek avatar slashing the Spryzen avatar through its chest followed by it exploding what more proof do we really need that Valt clearly won fairly by skill? Lol

(Jul. 05, 2020  1:21 AM)Admiral W Wrote: Valt has more than proven himself.

(Jul. 05, 2020  3:08 AM)Isaiah.burley Wrote:

(Jul. 05, 2020  1:21 AM)Admiral W Wrote: Valt has more than proven himself.

No he hasn’t. People are just going off of these rankings

(Jul. 05, 2020  3:24 AM)Vtryuga Wrote:

(Jul. 05, 2020  3:08 AM)Isaiah.burley Wrote: No he hasn’t. People are just going off of these rankings

so you are saying we havent seen valt struggle his way to the top? What were the main focus of s1 and s2.. we know for sure that valt has been shown to train the hardest as welll as loose the most. when it comes to the final battle in god valt gave it his all and managed to beat shu who was also giving it his all.. Tell me one more charachter who has struggled as valt has done in burst.. sorry if this reply comes out as aggresive did not mean for it but i got riled up

(Jul. 05, 2020  3:40 AM)Nik P. Wrote: Joshua vs zac
Xander (god) Vs Arthur

(Jul. 05, 2020  3:40 AM)Nik P. Wrote: Joshua vs zac
Xander (god) Vs Arthur

(Jul. 05, 2020  3:40 AM)Isaiah.burley Wrote:

(Jul. 05, 2020  3:24 AM)Vtryuga Wrote: so you are saying we havent seen valt struggle his way to the top? What were the main focus of s1 and s2.. we know for sure that valt has been shown to train the hardest as welll as loose the most. when it comes to the final battle in god valt gave it his all and managed to beat shu who was also giving it his all.. Tell me one more charachter who has struggled as valt has done in burst.. sorry if this reply comes out as aggresive did not mean for it but i got riled up

Your reply is fine not aggressive at all. Struggle doesn’t mean proven tho. All I’m saying is s1 and s2 he relied on luck and in s3 he didn’t really do anything besides beat Heartz.

(Jul. 05, 2020  4:00 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Jul. 05, 2020  3:40 AM)Isaiah.burley Wrote: Your reply is fine not aggressive at all. Struggle doesn’t mean proven tho. All I’m saying is s1 and s2 he relied on luck and in s3 he didn’t really do anything besides beat Heartz.

Valt never won because of luck. He has always won based on skill and he has only lost based on luck sometimes.

(Jul. 05, 2020  3:47 AM)Nik P. Wrote: Wakiya (dual layer) vs ken

(Jul. 05, 2020  4:03 AM)Isaiah.burley Wrote:

(Jul. 05, 2020  4:00 AM)Zeutron Wrote: Valt never won because of luck. He has always won based on skill and he has only lost based on luck sometimes.

In s3 - now he’s won off skill. But there’s no way you’re about to tell he he has never won because of luck.

(Jul. 05, 2020  4:25 AM)Nik P. Wrote: Also another thing to mention, shu in my opinion is worse than aiga even though in the rankings shu is 2nd and aiga is 3rd because when aiga was training to beat phi we could see that Cho z Achilles best forneus, Ragnaruk, salamander, and Spriggan, so if he could beat all of them, he could probably defeat Spriggan

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So if aiga is better than shu, Valt probably is as well, also I would like to see a battle Royale between all the main characters cuz even tho it was teased in 52 of gt it was never finished

(Jul. 05, 2020  4:28 AM)Isaiah.burley Wrote:

(Jul. 05, 2020  4:25 AM)Nik P. Wrote: Also another thing to mention, shu in my opinion is worse than aiga even though in the rankings shu is 2nd and aiga is 3rd because when aiga was training to beat phi we could see that Cho z Achilles best forneus, Ragnaruk, salamander, and Spriggan, so if he could beat all of them, he could probably defeat Spriggan

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So if aiga is better than shu, Valt probably is as well, also I would like to see a battle Royale between all the main characters cuz even tho it was teased in 52 of gt it was never finished

Nope Shu is better

(Jul. 05, 2020  4:29 AM)Nik P. Wrote:

(Jul. 05, 2020  4:28 AM)Isaiah.burley Wrote: Nope Shu is better

How tho

(Jul. 05, 2020  4:29 AM)Nik P. Wrote:

(Jul. 05, 2020  4:28 AM)Isaiah.burley Wrote: Nope Shu is better

How tho

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(Jul. 05, 2020  4:29 AM)Nik P. Wrote: How tho

Also aiga went from world champ to 3rd in an instant without any battle

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Also if their was a transferral of the title to Arthur, then the champ would be drum

(Jul. 05, 2020  3:40 AM)Isaiah.burley Wrote:

(Jul. 05, 2020  3:24 AM)Vtryuga Wrote: so you are saying we havent seen valt struggle his way to the top? What were the main focus of s1 and s2.. we know for sure that valt has been shown to train the hardest as welll as loose the most. when it comes to the final battle in god valt gave it his all and managed to beat shu who was also giving it his all.. Tell me one more charachter who has struggled as valt has done in burst.. sorry if this reply comes out as aggresive did not mean for it but i got riled up

Your reply is fine not aggressive at all. Struggle doesn’t mean proven tho. All I’m saying is s1 and s2 he relied on luck and in s3 he didn’t really do anything besides beat Heartz.