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RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - LeonTempest - Jan. 08, 2012

(Jan. 08, 2012  8:53 PM)th!nk Wrote: Then it doesn't matter what mode you use it in, both will suck just as hard.

You make it sound like I test with uncustomized beys. i can assure you that I dont do that, and that I do make good combos with what i have at my disposal. I am a recreational player/collecter atm, so I dont see the need to ruin all my stickers by taking everything apart. If you dont have a collector's mindset it is a hard concept to grasp, I understand that. If someone asks me to do a test however, I will take everything apart and build the best combos I can.

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - th!nk - Jan. 08, 2012

I understand the mindset, but why you would bother with modes on a bey that is so horrible uncustomised is beyond my understanding. As I said, it makes no difference.

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - LeonTempest - Jan. 08, 2012

(Jan. 08, 2012  8:57 PM)th!nk Wrote: Hell was released forever ago, and it outclassed Burn. Earth still saw some use, because burn had a lot of recoil.

Hell, which outclassed burn, is now also outclassed.

So yeah burn is pretty terrible, and outclassed in every single conceivable way by Phantom.

This is what happens when my local stores dont have anything other than Galaxy pegasis. I dont get to know this carp lol. And until recently, my WBO activity was on decline, so I missed alot lol. Basily, I missed the entire middle and end of Season 2, and almost all of Season 3 until just recently.

This is getting off topic though. Thanks for your help Th!nk =D
(Jan. 08, 2012  9:00 PM)th!nk Wrote: I understand the mindset, but why you would bother with modes on a bey that is so horrible uncustomised is beyond my understanding. As I said, it makes no difference.

Eh just another quirk I guess. If I am going to have a sucky uncustomized bey, it might as well be the least sucky it can be. Idk man, just go with it. Its one of those things where if I try to explain how my mind works, you will all just say "Wtf?" haha =D

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - th!nk - Jan. 08, 2012

Competitive Combo's topic is still there and still relatively up to date. It's just a matter of checking that and the recent testing threads, that's all.

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - LeonTempest - Jan. 08, 2012

Ha, you imply that I can even retain all of that information and that I have the time. It isnt alot of information, but in a sense, I guess I am experiencing culture shock. Everything i thought was tier 1 or 2 has just been crushed by almost every single 4D bey released thus far, and I am learning all of that within a matter of a few weeks after being away for months, whereas everyone else here has been studying these new parts as they were released one at a time. that said, I am more familiar with some of the newer releases in 4D, and strangely, not with some of the 1st beys from 4D that set the foundation for everything else.

But you are right, and I have been looking at the tier and testing threads, basicly re-learning everything, so no need to worry. I will get there soon =D

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - th!nk - Jan. 08, 2012

I stopped playing for a while there.

Learnt it all again in a few days.

Not hard.

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - LeonTempest - Jan. 08, 2012

No it isnt, but i was gone for months at a time, and I have to live with hasbro's jet-lag haha

Regardless I did say that I was in the process of relearning things, and it has only been a few days since I got serious about it, so by next weeked (no time durring the week anymore to do anything other than school...) I should know all there is that I need to know. All of these questions I have been asking as of late pretain to my re-understanding of the metagame

Agian, this is getting off topic, so lets resume the questioning. Good discussion Th!nk. It has been a while since I have been in a good back and forth like that. Always fun =D

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - Dracomageat - Jan. 08, 2012

leone: Yeah, that's what I meant. As for the combo, MB may have too little inherent motion to make use of the percentage based increase but, then again, if the increase is more noticeable on plastic tips than rubber ones, it's likely to be even more so on metal. Personally, I'd go with Burn/Thermal Aquario T125 MB and call it a Hasbro destabliser. Don't use TT burn though, it recoils more, making the destabilisation less effective.
DF145 is too tall to effectively destabilise and DF105 isn't something I know anything about.

@Th!nk: We're trying to be innovative here. Quit verbally carping on potential progress.

EDIT: You weren't trying to be innovative after all? Darn.

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - th!nk - Jan. 08, 2012

Well pardon me for bringing actual facts into your little discussion!

MB has poor balance, and isn't good as a stamina tip. Deal with it.

Wallowing in outdated and outclassed parts is neither progress nor innovation, it is entirely the opposite.

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - njrk97 - Jan. 08, 2012

(Jan. 08, 2012  9:09 PM)LeonTempestXIII Wrote: Ha, you imply that I can even retain all of that information and that I have the time. It isnt alot of information, but in a sense, I guess I am experiencing culture shock. Everything i thought was tier 1 or 2 has just been crushed by almost every single 4D bey released thus far, and I am learning all of that within a matter of a few weeks after being away for months, whereas everyone else here has been studying these new parts as they were released one at a time. that said, I am more familiar with some of the newer releases in 4D, and strangely, not with some of the 1st beys from 4D that set the foundation for everything else.

But you are right, and I have been looking at the tier and testing threads, basicly re-learning everything, so no need to worry. I will get there soon =D

your not the only one i memorized the entie tier list back when wd ans sd where top tier so yeah it a little hard for me to change aswell doesnt help i cant get any 4D beys

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - Dracomageat - Jan. 08, 2012

(Jan. 08, 2012  10:50 PM)th!nk Wrote: MB has poor balance, and isn't good as a stamina tip. Deal with it.

One, we're talking a semi agressive destabilising type here (think WB for the type of movement desired), not a stamina combo.
Two, while I don't own MB, I find it hard to believe that a totally round tip struggles with balance, especially as my WB tip spins fine up until the moment Basalt touches the ground on a 230 combo (IE: when the bey is practically parallel to the stadium). Sure, it might not stay upright but that's kinda overrated.

(Jan. 08, 2012  10:50 PM)th!nk Wrote: Wallowing in outdated parts is not progress, it is entirely the opposite.

Finding previously undiscovered uses for outdated parts would be progress and, since we're not dealing in regular beyblade theory, that is a possible outcome.

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - th!nk - Jan. 08, 2012

Firstly, destabilisers were entirely outclassed by low track stamina types for a reason. Anything lower than an opponent, hitting under the MW, will destabilise it. Even on WD, which happens to have better balance/stamina than SF/MB etc

Secondly:
>While I don't own MB

There goes the validity of anything you have to say on the subject. I have two, and have used them plenty of times, the poor balance is a well known fact. I know you struggle to deal with anything accepted as fact by more than three people, but sometimes, sometimes, the reason we believe things to be true is because they are.

You aren't finding new uses, you're throwing together combo's out of old parts which perform poorly for what you're doing.

And, if you are trying to create new combo's, do you really think this is even remotely the correct thread to do that in?

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - Mickey - Jan. 08, 2012

(Jan. 08, 2012  11:01 PM)Dracomageat Wrote:
(Jan. 08, 2012  10:50 PM)th!nk Wrote: MB has poor balance, and isn't good as a stamina tip. Deal with it.

One, we're talking a semi agressive destabilising type here (think WB for the type of movement desired), not a stamina combo.
Two, while I don't own MB, I find it hard to believe that a totally round tip struggles with balance, especially as my WB tip spins fine up until the moment Basalt touches the ground on a 230 combo (IE: when the bey is practically parallel to the stadium). Sure, it might not stay upright but that's kinda overrated.

I'm pretty sure MB has poor balance because of it's low friction.

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - Dracomageat - Jan. 08, 2012

I see no point arguing with the rest of your points but:

(Jan. 08, 2012  11:05 PM)th!nk Wrote: And, if you are trying to create new combo's, do you really think this is even remotely the correct thread to do that in?

When I'm specifically asked to do so, yes, yes I do.

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - th!nk - Jan. 08, 2012

You should have taken that discussion, and this one, to PM, long, long ago.

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - Dracomageat - Jan. 08, 2012

I will bear that in mind for the future but since it went seamlessly from a question to a discussion, there was no well defined moment to do so.

And fine, I'll buy an MB if I possibly can.

EDIT: Thinking about what you've said, I think I've come to a conclusion. This forum doesn't tolerate discussion of anything that doesn't mesh with it's views. Sure, those views have their reasons but that does not make them 100% correct 100% of the time and, even if it did, would it not be good to see a few innovative failures from time to time, to make those reasons more obvious?

So now I'm going to be really off topic and simply say "goodbye, solong and fairwell WBO, I doubt I'll ever miss you".
And finally:

Arupaeo: thankyou for trying to help me learn to fit in but it's simply not going to work out. I may be stubborn but it's not just me. This forum is too set in its ways and adverse to change for me to deal with. Goodbye.

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - th!nk - Jan. 08, 2012

I hardly think it is the forum that is too set in it's ways. You yourself said you are unable to accept anything too mainstream. It seems beyond your comprehension that the reason most of us agree with things is because they are actually correct.

You're an intelligent person, and to waste that out of a stubborn desire to be non-conformist is a shame, but I wish you all the best nonetheless.


On topic, does anyone here know if Hasbro released Galeon 2? Desperately trying to find info on it for a list I'm working on for the wiki. If you know what parts it had, it would be even better!

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - Dracomageat - Jan. 08, 2012

I never said that I cannot accept the mainstream. I said I cannot accept it just for being mainstream. I need good solid reasons is all and every time I question anything it ends up with you all metaphorically shouting at me or me getting temporary bans. Well I've had enough of it! It's just not worth my effort to try and understand your ways and, while the fault is definitely mine in part, I will not admit to it being entirely so cause that simply wouldn't be true. So now I shall accuse you of liking the accursed quadrangle and disappear.

You bloody FFer!

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - Dan - Jan. 09, 2012

You should post your good-bye in its respective thread.

All the thoughts/opinions/facts (omg) that are supposedly being shouted at you while we try to bomb your house are all based on tests done previously. If you're actually curious about whether what was said was correct: search for it.

Lucky you sent my package a week or two ago, aren't I? haha

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - Kei - Jan. 09, 2012

(Jan. 08, 2012  11:01 PM)Dracomageat Wrote: One, we're talking a semi agressive destabilising type here (think WB for the type of movement desired), not a stamina combo.

(Jan. 08, 2012  11:05 PM)th!nk Wrote: Firstly, destabilisers were entirely outclassed by low track stamina types for a reason. Anything lower than an opponent, hitting under the MW, will destabilise it. Even on WD, which happens to have better balance/stamina than SF/MB etc

I want to remind both of you that "Destabilizer" is not a type. Destabilization is the result of the height of the Beyblade; it shouldn't be mistakenly labeled as an actual "type" like Attack, Defense, Stamina, or Balance.

(Jan. 08, 2012  11:01 PM)Dracomageat Wrote: Finding previously undiscovered uses for outdated parts would be progress and, since we're not dealing in regular beyblade theory, that is a possible outcome.

It would be "progress" in a sense, yes, but this is not the place to discuss something like that. If you do "discover" something, it should be posted in the Beyblade Customizations forum.

However, if you were to do that, you'd not only have to provide a sufficient amount of test results, but actual reasoning behind why you would choose "outdated parts" over more current and superior ones. For your "Hasbro destabilizer", you can do neither of those things, so don't be surprised if your ideas are intensely objected by members who do have the parts.

(Jan. 08, 2012  11:21 PM)Dracomageat Wrote: EDIT: Thinking about what you've said, I think I've come to a conclusion. This forum doesn't tolerate discussion of anything that doesn't mesh with it's views. Sure, those views have their reasons but that does not make them 100% correct 100% of the time and, even if it did, would it not be good to see a few innovative failures from time to time, to make those reasons more obvious?

Promoting the idea of "innovative failures" to me sounds like a license to go around propagating the use of subpar combos in a serious way. If you really want to do something like that, do it in the less serious environment found in this thread.

Experimentation is always meaningful, but sometimes it truly is a waste of time to test something "innovative". I'm sure that nobody has ever tested MF-M Wolf 85Q, but does that mean it should be tested? No, of course not. We know based on our collective knowledge of each individual part (and the parts that have been released afterwards) that it will suck.

(Jan. 08, 2012  11:44 PM)Dracomageat Wrote: I never said that I cannot accept the mainstream. I said I cannot accept it just for being mainstream. I need good solid reasons is all and every time I question anything it ends up with you all metaphorically shouting at me or me getting temporary bans.

You're saying you can't accept something "just for being mainstream" ...? I agree with this–you cannot blindly accept anything–but what sorts of things are you talking about? Just a moment ago you admitted that "Sure, those views have their reasons".

And as I mentioned before; don't be surprised when your ideas are chastised when you don't even own the part you're talking about. It's fine to talk about things in theory, but you can't expect the people who do have the parts to not bring their actual experience into the discussion to argue against your claims.


RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - th!nk - Jan. 09, 2012

We all referred to flame cancer 100sf -and the like- combos as Destabilisers, which is what I referred to (it is the name which they are remembered by, as Anti-Meta are still called that, despite more truly being anti-attack combo's), but, I did make an effort to point out that the idea that they were the only thing that destabilised opponents was a complete myth.

Other than that, yeah.

Anyway, don't want it to be lost again, so: Galeon 2, did hasbro release it?

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - -Vulcan- - Jan. 09, 2012

^ They never released it.

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - th!nk - Jan. 09, 2012

Are you absolutely certain of that? I need to be 100% sure.

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - Meteo-L-Roman - Jan. 09, 2012

where is the place to find beyblade combos rankings on the internet
thanks

RE: Ask a question, get an answer! #2 - Ultra - Jan. 09, 2012

Think I really wouldn't believe that. He probably thinks so just because it's release was not a very wide one. Most would probably also say the same about Poseidon but we know that Hasbro did release it.