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RE: Make your suggestions! - Ultra - Jan. 17, 2012
Would it be a good idea to make a wiki article on the Sonokong Gold beyblade since they are quite different than most(in that the molding is different so they don't match up)? Also in it we could talk about the sets they have been released in by sonokong. I know we could write it into the articles for the S blades but they are quite different from those which needs to be expressed and explained.
RE: Make your suggestions! - th!nk - Jan. 17, 2012
I think a single article for the whole series would be sufficient, the beys on their own aren't unique enough. Just put them in the alternate versions sections (maybe with a note to point out the importance of reading the main article).
I think they certainly deserve an article though, because it's important information given the differences.
RE: Make your suggestions! - Ultra - Jan. 17, 2012
Yeah I agree with everything you said there.
RE: Make your suggestions! - th!nk - Jan. 18, 2012
I have a suggestion: Limit the warnings for use of nicknames to repeat offences. People sometimes do refer to things via nicknames in private discussions to make it simpler as they know the other party knows what they mean.
Sometimes, people slip up and use nicknames in public by accident, such as the recent incident where Dan was given his first warning, in the advanced forum no less, for using a nickname, when it is obvious he was aware of the rule and did not use it on purpose, given he was heavily involved with the two threads which resulted in that rule.
If someone refers to a combo using a nickname, either reply in thread or send them a PM to make sure they're aware and to ask them to change it.
Secondly, there are currently a number of rules, including this, that require clarification so new members know to avoid them. For example, the apparent Two-Use-Metaphor Rule, a subset of the nickname rule. I would also ask for clarification on other literary devices that may be off-bounds, maybe a weighting for each so we know how much of what we learnt in year 8 English classes we're allowed to use on the forums before it becomes worthy of being moved closer to a permanent ban from the site?
Seriously, though, I think a thread or section of the help page should be created to outline the rules of the site specifically, as if it is worth warning a user for something, it is very much worth making sure they know they can be warned for it, as apparently even advanced members and forum regulars are overstepping or toeing the line with respect to these things, which says to me that it simply isn't clear enough.
RE: Make your suggestions! - the.successor - Jan. 18, 2012
I suggest that WBO make a app for iphone and Android users. Like, something similar to Facebook or Twitter.
The layout could be similar to the Facebook app. As for what each icon would be named, it should include the search function, threads, and the forums. If it was to include everything in the forum, Icons should be smaller to link to each feature of WBO. This is really a suggestion as I found that using safari on the iPhone to browse WBO is quite a problem for me, at least. Please take my suggestion for discussion. thanks.
RE: Make your suggestions! - th!nk - Jan. 18, 2012
(Jan. 18, 2012 3:41 PM)lily_cheerful Wrote: I suggest that WBO make a app for iphone and Android users. Like, something similar to Facebook or Twitter.
The layout could be similar to the Facebook app. As for what each icon would be named, it should include the search function, threads, and the forums. If it was to include everything in the forum, Icons should be smaller to link to each feature of WBO. This is really a suggestion as I found that using safari on the iPhone to browse WBO is quite a problem for me, at least. Please take my suggestion for discussion. thanks.
Did you bother to search thoroughly before making this post, to make sure it hadn't been suggested almost every week for the past 6 months or more?
RE: Make your suggestions! - the.successor - Jan. 18, 2012
Alright, just saw it, but why isn't anyone here developing the app for iphone and android yet?
RE: Make your suggestions! - th!nk - Jan. 18, 2012
(Jan. 18, 2012 3:57 PM)lily_cheerful Wrote: Alright, just saw it, but why isn't anyone here developing the app for iphone and android yet?
That question was recently answered in "Questions about the WBO" if I recall correctly.
Nonetheless, if your mobile has a web browser that is able to bookmark things, and is able to receive email notifications from subscribed threads, why do you really need an app? I regularly post from my mobile, and the only trouble I have is related to typing on a touch screen, the site itself is very functional on a mobile browser.
RE: Make your suggestions! - Arupaeo - Jan. 18, 2012
The same reasons that you would expect. There is a finite amount of time and money, and this particular issue has not yet shown itself to be more urgent or important than the other projects that are competing for the constrained resources above.
RE: Make your suggestions! - Arupaeo - Jan. 18, 2012
(Jan. 18, 2012 3:17 PM)th!nk Wrote: I have a suggestion: Limit the warnings for use of nicknames to repeat offences. People sometimes do refer to things via nicknames in private discussions to make it simpler as they know the other party knows what they mean.
Sometimes, people slip up and use nicknames in public by accident, such as the recent incident where Dan was given his first warning, in the advanced forum no less, for using a nickname, when it is obvious he was aware of the rule and did not use it on purpose, given he was heavily involved with the two threads which resulted in that rule.
If someone refers to a combo using a nickname, either reply in thread or send them a PM to make sure they're aware and to ask them to change it.
Secondly, there are currently a number of rules, including this, that require clarification so new members know to avoid them. For example, the apparent Two-Use-Metaphor Rule, a subset of the nickname rule. I would also ask for clarification on other literary devices that may be off-bounds, maybe a weighting for each so we know how much of what we learnt in year 8 English classes we're allowed to use on the forums before it becomes worthy of being moved closer to a permanent ban from the site?
Seriously, though, I think a thread or section of the help page should be created to outline the rules of the site specifically, as if it is worth warning a user for something, it is very much worth making sure they know they can be warned for it, as apparently even advanced members and forum regulars are overstepping or toeing the line with respect to these things, which says to me that it simply isn't clear enough.
We aren't going to keep a running tally of how many times a member has used a nickname. Use it once and get warned has been the standard and will continue to be the standard. We don't warn for intent, we warn for behavior.
Given your obvious anger over Dan's warning for using a nickname, I am surprised that you seem to take issue with the post I made earlier - which was a very friendly reminder about not running afoul of the nickname rule. I would think that this would be very much in line with the general spirit of your suggestion above.
It is quite easy to imagine that newer members would follow suit after seeing two well respected members use the term "steamroller" to describe a combo in back-to-back posts. My post was directed more toward them (newer members) than you or Jan, and in fact I considered writing "@everyone else:" before my post, but didn't because it looked weird.
I do agree with the need to update the rules page. There are rules that have evolved that aren't codified, and they should be.
RE: Make your suggestions! - th!nk - Jan. 18, 2012
For such a minor transgression, that is far too strict. I'm not asking you to keep a physical tally, though maybe I'm alone in noticing people who use nicknames multiple times, there is a post history function if you need it, and you can search for posts from specific users if need be. If time is too tight to do such quick actions, then you should be looking for more moderators.
However, being told not to use nicknames without being warned for it would generally be enough to put a stop to it, as long as it is included in the site rules, especially if done so by a Committee member. I am amused that we hand out warnings for minor things like that, but I have been told to cease reporting people for making bad recommendations in "Build me a combo", when the latter is something that actually hurts users significantly more.
Maybe you should start taking intent and context into account then? That is something I would consider a prerequisite of a fair system. At the very least, it should be taken into account when deciding what level of warning to give. For example, for Dan's minor hiccup, something like 1% would have been more appropriate (though 0% is more accurate, seeing as he did break an unwritten rule, by your reasoning some punishment must be given).
About Dan's warning, that was less annoyance and more the fact I was shocked when I saw it, because it was quite simply nonsensical. I'd be very interested to hear the discussion or thoughts that went into that particular warning. It is well known that I do not like seeing people warned unjustly, this specific incident is one I am comfortable enough to refer to publicly.
As for random thoughts, it was a completely unnecessary post, as I made clear there. If anyone was foolish enough to take that as an okay to call MF-H Diablo Nemesis BD145R2F by the name "A Steamroller", there is no way they would last long in the current culture of this forum (whether or not that is a good or bad thing is debatable but beside the point).
And sorry if this is blunt and seems like another of my little outburst, but this kind of attitude towards warnings is hurting the site as a whole, and it seems like you are completely unaware. Maybe I should have done this in PM, but I don't think there is a function for group discussion with the entire committee. I am saying this out of concern for the site's continued well being. I do not wish to create drama resulting from this, but more subtle routes have apparently had little success, and as I said, I would rather this be discussed openly than in PM's, if only to provide a more robust discussion.
By the way, my questions about similes and other literary devices, while seemingly sarcastic, were actually serious. I would like to know where the line is drawn or what the weightings are, and I think it would be helpful for other users if this was clarified.
RE: Make your suggestions! - Hazel - Jan. 18, 2012
The "use nicknames -> get warned" thing has been around for a very long time - I saw people get warned for it my first week here. Digging around in the warning logs, I can even spot them here and there. I'm genuinely beyond words if you're implying that Dan could not have known about it - since he was most definitely a prominent part of the heavy usage of a couple of the original "big name" combos, and surely saw the end of days for those things occur. My best guess at thought process would be that the law applies to anyone, italic or otherwise. One thing we do take into consideration when handing out warnings is "has this user been here long enough to know better?", and in this case...
Similes shouldn't really incite anything, though... there is a clear definition between "simile" and "nickname".
RE: Make your suggestions! - Ultra - Jan. 18, 2012
Th!nk it's very simple and not hard. Just don't use them.
RE: Make your suggestions! - Kai-V - Jan. 18, 2012
Ultrablader, I think an actual article for SonoKong should be written, so in it we could write about the unique things they did. Unless the gold Beyblades would really require a separate article anyway ? How long would it be ?
As for Dan's warning, my opinion is undecided at the moment, but you have to remember that the Advanced Forum is something that a lot of people look up to, and we do expect Advanced Members to know that their posts are perhaps more scrutinised than others, and as such they should completely avoid using nicknames of any sort.
RE: Make your suggestions! - th!nk - Jan. 18, 2012
I am aware, however I feel that it should not be done so harshly. That was implemented to stop a huge trend that was causing communication issues throughout the forum. That is no longer a large-scale issue, and as such, I think we can relax a little. It was very necessary during its time, but now merely displaying the warning baton is all that is necessary.
If it becomes a problem again, ramp the warnings back up, but I sincerely doubt it will.
And no, I am implying quite the opposite: Obviously he was aware, so do you really think he would have said that on purpose? Do you really think it was anything more than a quick slip up during what he saw as casual conversation*? I just don't see how a 10% warning was appropriate, considering that he has always been excellently behaved, as his previously spotless record shows. I maintain that he should simply have been asked to edit the post.
*Yes, I know, it was in the advanced forum, and nothing is casual there, but his post was a quick one, and as far as I know the use of the name was to refer to the fact it was popular enough to carry a nickname (at the time of that combo, very few combinations were able to pull that off), and that it used R2F in left spin (which you can gather from the context), where just posting the combination itself would not have made the point at all.
I think he imagined people would see the reasons behind him using the nickname, if he even considered that it would be crossing the line at all. Not the best way I could put that but I'm pretty tired right now.
Thank you for the clarification, though I still don't think metaphors are too close either, I will keep it in mind.
UltraBlader: Sounds so simple, doesn't it. Obviously, though, it's complex enough that even Dan has slipped up.
Kai-V: A gold series article would be lengthy enough to be an article of its own. There are only four beyblades in it, but some of the parts are compatible with normal beys, some aren't, and there are a number of sets available with them. I definitely think it would be worth an article, given the limitations of their compatibility.
RE: Make your suggestions! - Hazel - Jan. 18, 2012
I see nothing wrong with writing an article for the SonoKong plastics sets, but as for ones for the individual gold plastic beyblades, we should just amend existing articles to include something about them, imo.
RE: Make your suggestions! - th!nk - Jan. 18, 2012
There's a lot to be said about them as a whole, due to them being slightly smaller than their non-gold counterparts, so certain parts can be exchanged with non-gold beyblades, others cannot. Most of these can be generalised: you can't use Non-Gold SG in the bases, you can use their SG's in non-gold bases, you can use any WD and AR on their SG's, though they are sometimes loose. You can usually fit their AR on SG's, but only SG's that are slightly looser than usual due to minor mold variations. Their tips are generally interchangeable with normal bases, but sometimes they are loose. Their weight disks are tight on other SG's, but can generally fit on, though with the 8 balance/wide ones, it is best to put them on "flat side up", so they are easier to remove again. They are smaller though, so they are probably lighter, but they're 8-series anyway.
Oh, and despite the image on the box, the gold draciel s does not come with a green wide defense (it comes with a green 8 Balance, sadly).
They are good sources of fresh Storm Grip and Metal Change tips, but due to the abysmal moulding of the part and smaller ball size, the same cannot be said for SG Metal Ball, and the dranzer s comes with a gold metal bearing, and normal bearings don't quite fit in the casings normally, so it's not quite as useful, but it is a pretty smooth bearing, the next best bearing I have after the NSK bearings.
Despite all that, they are considered completely legal, apparently.
As such, I'd think the best way would be to have an article describing the differences, and a section on each particular beyblade to detail it's specific differences and resulting uses (The Driger S's slightly smaller AR lines up better with Wide Survivor, the smaller tip of the gold Spiral Change Base is marginally easier to control, The balls of Draciel S are smaller and the tip is usually a little malformed), with differences and a link to each beyblade's article at the top of their section. The gold versions can be added to the Alternate Versions sections of each beyblade with the "Sonokong Gold Version" linking to their section in the Sonokong Gold Series article.
That's just how I'd do it, anyway.
RE: Make your suggestions! - Ultra - Jan. 18, 2012
As well as that I think you should note the sonokong sets in which they are included. I think you should do it Th!nk since you know way more than me about them shown by that wall of text on them.
RE: Make your suggestions! - th!nk - Jan. 18, 2012
Maybe, however, my weak point is sets. I'm afraid I really don't know the sets at all, that's certainly your forte, hah.
I can try to throw an article together at some point in the next couple of weeks, but I'd definitely need you to cover the sets side of things anyway, so if you want to, you're obviously welcome to write an article, and I can go over anything you're unsure of/would rather I do/anything you miss etc
Hopefully this doesn't sound patronising or anything, I tend to be when plastics are involved
RE: Make your suggestions! - Ultra - Jan. 18, 2012
I'll try and do something next week and then you can do like you said. Not patronising at all man. I respect you and the large amount of knowledge you've got.
RE: Make your suggestions! - Uwik - Jan. 31, 2012
So, we have these forum categories in WBO :
- World Beyblade Organization
- Beyblade Discussion
- WBO Organized Play
- International Beyblade
- Off Topic Forums
It would be a great addition if we could have a new section, namely, 'Blogs'. Basically, we invite the more well-known beyblade bloggers around the world to migrate their blogs here. Bladers like Takunana, Queen of Snow, Beygen SG, or even famous you tuber (BB18Libra, MSPapitan, our very own Akira'sDaddy) etc. Each blog is by invitation only, 1 blog = 1 forum. They are free to blog what they wish there, in their native language of course, as long as it's beyblade related. In a way, similar to Dimsum2u's forum.
This could potentially generate large beyblade traffic into WBO, and hopefully, in the long run, WBO's Organized Play. More importantly, WBO will serve as a hub for all beyblade related things.
Thoughts?
RE: Make your suggestions! - Kai-V - Jan. 31, 2012
With the speed at which I find information on blogs, the effect is essentially the same. And people would still just take information from here as soon as it appears and not credit or thank anybody properly ...
Still, I would not even know how to contact some of them, because they really only understand Japanese, and as soon as you try to write in that language but that you do not know it perfectly, it is as if Japanese cannot understand what you meant at all.
RE: Make your suggestions! - Uwik - Jan. 31, 2012
I see. The whole point is not so much of the speed of getting the information. It's more of getting the whole beyblade community under the WBO's umbrella.
We could start maybe by asking Akira'sDaddy first, and trial run it from there. We, of course could maybe send them messages in their current blogs about this idea (after approval), in their language. We could ask for a simple English to Japanese translation help from our Japanese WBO members. The details are actually quite simple.
Anyway, give it some thought first. It's nothing but beneficial for WBO.
RE: Make your suggestions! - Arupaeo - Jan. 31, 2012
Uwik:
It's an excellent suggestion for us, but what do the bloggers get out of it? We need to be able to provide them with a compelling reason to come over here by outlining the value proposition.
Is there some greater flexibility that the WBO can provide that a regular blogging host couldn't? Is there money in it for them? More prestige? Bigger audience?
I don't know. How do you see it?
RE: Make your suggestions! - Uwik - Jan. 31, 2012
We could provide them with the exact same freedom of opinions here as what they currently have in their blogs. This should be considered first and foremost.
As for tHe incentives, I guess 60k+ members is quite enticing, and the prestige to have their words displayed globally. So yeah, bigger audience + prestige.
Money shouldn't be discussed at all, most of them do it for the love of the hobby anyway. I'm fairly certain that they could understand the concept of a non profit organization.
All in all, being in a community is better than a lone blogger. Not much of selling points, but yeah, even if we could get 2-3 bloggers to start with, eventually words do get around.