(Aug. 26, 2021  8:04 PM)g2_ Wrote: Hasbro is a failure. I miss the Slingshock beys.

(Aug. 26, 2021  4:47 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote:

(Aug. 26, 2021  4:41 PM)BeySkozo Raky Wrote: Didn't you see the last picture reveals of the Wave 4 Starters or Zankye's news videos about the them? Because we already knew about Jet having the free spin.

I actually did not, I'm kinda meh on the Hasbro News really, unless it's Pro Series stuff Idrc because Hasbro is just botching the gimmicks so, I just wait for this thread to start talking about it. (I only watch QD News Becuase it kinda hints to the next Beys)

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:10 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote:

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:04 PM)g2_ Wrote: Hasbro is a failure. I miss the Slingshock beys.

Owch man, failure is a mean way to put it, more like needs improvement though Hasbro has had a lot of bad Beys it's actually had a lot of good beys to make up for them, usually when a Bey is bad in the TT world Hasbro makes it better, for example, Union Achilles A4  Master Devlos D5  and Triumph Dragon D6 and a bunch of others, Hasbro isn't doing the best job but I wouldn't say they're a failure more like a bit of laziness and need for improvement lol

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:26 PM)g2_ Wrote:

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:10 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote: Owch man, failure is a mean way to put it, more like needs improvement though Hasbro has had a lot of bad Beys it's actually had a lot of good beys to make up for them, usually when a Bey is bad in the TT world Hasbro makes it better, for example, Union Achilles A4  Master Devlos D5  and Triumph Dragon D6 and a bunch of others, Hasbro isn't doing the best job but I wouldn't say they're a failure more like a bit of laziness and need for improvement lol

Hasbro is a failure.

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:26 PM)g2_ Wrote:

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:10 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote: Owch man, failure is a mean way to put it, more like needs improvement though Hasbro has had a lot of bad Beys it's actually had a lot of good beys to make up for them, usually when a Bey is bad in the TT world Hasbro makes it better, for example, Union Achilles A4  Master Devlos D5  and Triumph Dragon D6 and a bunch of others, Hasbro isn't doing the best job but I wouldn't say they're a failure more like a bit of laziness and need for improvement lol

Hasbro is a failure.

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:38 PM)BeySkozo Raky Wrote: Also guys, don't you think with Hasbro's Jet Ring having the free spin it could have potential in competitive play? I only said it could have potential. Things like Hollow and Blazebringer are in such a situation. So it is may be possible for Jet being good enough for competitive, even without the rubber. Maybe a equalizing combo like Jet Dragon D6 Wheel (Hasbro) Mobius-SP/Drift-SP would be good. Or something other. Also please don't bash on me if it isn't good.

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:10 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote:

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:04 PM)g2_ Wrote: Hasbro is a failure. I miss the Slingshock beys.

Owch man, failure is a mean way to put it, more like needs improvement though Hasbro has had a lot of bad Beys it's actually had a lot of good beys to make up for them, usually when a Bey is bad in the TT world Hasbro makes it better, for example, Union Achilles A4  Master Devlos D5  and Triumph Dragon D6 and a bunch of others, Hasbro isn't doing the best job but I wouldn't say they're a failure more like a bit of laziness and need for improvement lol

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:04 PM)g2_ Wrote: Hasbro is a failure. I miss the Slingshock beys.

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:46 PM)originalzankye Wrote:

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:10 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote: Owch man, failure is a mean way to put it, more like needs improvement though Hasbro has had a lot of bad Beys it's actually had a lot of good beys to make up for them, usually when a Bey is bad in the TT world Hasbro makes it better, for example, Union Achilles A4  Master Devlos D5  and Triumph Dragon D6 and a bunch of others, Hasbro isn't doing the best job but I wouldn't say they're a failure more like a bit of laziness and need for improvement lol

If Hasbro started off Speedstorm giving people hope with things like Chassis disks, gimmick on the Layers and started off OK with Wave 1 then through the latter waves does worse and worse with hollowing out the beys and repeating the same mistakes and even doing worse with poor disk choice. Then the Speedstorm system from start to finish is a failure, very poor execution. 

"When a Bey is bad in the TT world Hasbro makes it better."

Your examples don't make much sense since:

- TT Union wasn't bad, Hasbro Union is most certainly not an improvement 
- TT Master Diabolos wasn't bad and again Master Develos wasn't better
- TT Tempest most certainly was not bad by any sort of the means and Dragon D6 was not better.

When people talk about if Hasbro did something better than TT it is not really referred to with stock but an actual specific part. Like Yard TT compared to Yard Slingshock and how Yard Slingshock is better due to less scraping than TT. 

Even then that only applied maybe a few years ago back in Switchstrike, with Turbo/Rise/Surge it certainly does not apply.

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:42 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote:

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:38 PM)BeySkozo Raky Wrote: Also guys, don't you think with Hasbro's Jet Ring having the free spin it could have potential in competitive play? I only said it could have potential. Things like Hollow and Blazebringer are in such a situation. So it is may be possible for Jet being good enough for competitive, even without the rubber. Maybe a equalizing combo like Jet Dragon D6 Wheel (Hasbro) Mobius-SP/Drift-SP would be good. Or something other. Also please don't bash on me if it isn't good.

Jet Dragon Wheel Press/Bearing could also be a good combo, the other parts may be trash but Jet is actually a really good Ring, it's free spin could be really good

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:55 PM)JCE_13 Wrote:

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:46 PM)originalzankye Wrote: If Hasbro started off Speedstorm giving people hope with things like Chassis disks, gimmick on the Layers and started off OK with Wave 1 then through the latter waves does worse and worse with hollowing out the beys and repeating the same mistakes and even doing worse with poor disk choice. Then the Speedstorm system from start to finish is a failure, very poor execution. 

"When a Bey is bad in the TT world Hasbro makes it better."

Your examples don't make much sense since:

- TT Union wasn't bad, Hasbro Union is most certainly not an improvement 
- TT Master Diabolos wasn't bad and again Master Develos wasn't better
- TT Tempest most certainly was not bad by any sort of the means and Dragon D6 was not better.

When people talk about if Hasbro did something better than TT it is not really referred to with stock but an actual specific part. Like Yard TT compared to Yard Slingshock and how Yard Slingshock is better due to less scraping than TT. 

Even then that only applied maybe a few years ago back in Switchstrike, with Turbo/Rise/Surge it certainly does not apply.

These beys listed were not better than TT, but they weren't bad for Hasbro Hasbro at all. (I don't know anything about Devolos, but Union was a good hypersphere and Triumph is a good speedstorm.

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:46 PM)originalzankye Wrote:

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:10 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote: Owch man, failure is a mean way to put it, more like needs improvement though Hasbro has had a lot of bad Beys it's actually had a lot of good beys to make up for them, usually when a Bey is bad in the TT world Hasbro makes it better, for example, Union Achilles A4  Master Devlos D5  and Triumph Dragon D6 and a bunch of others, Hasbro isn't doing the best job but I wouldn't say they're a failure more like a bit of laziness and need for improvement lol

If Hasbro started off Speedstorm giving people hope with things like Chassis disks, gimmick on the Layers and started off OK with Wave 1 then through the latter waves does worse and worse with hollowing out the beys and repeating the same mistakes and even doing worse with poor disk choice. Then the Speedstorm system from start to finish is a failure, very poor execution. 

"When a Bey is bad in the TT world Hasbro makes it better."

Your examples don't make much sense since:

- TT Union wasn't bad, Hasbro Union is most certainly not an improvement 
- TT Master Diabolos wasn't bad and again Master Develos wasn't better
- TT Tempest most certainly was not bad by any sort of the means and Dragon D6 was not better.

When people talk about if Hasbro did something better than TT it is not really referred to with stock but an actual specific part. Like Yard TT compared to Yard Slingshock and how Yard Slingshock is better due to less scraping than TT. 

Even then that only applied maybe a few years ago back in Switchstrike, with Turbo/Rise/Surge it certainly does not apply.

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:28 PM)BeySkozo Raky Wrote:

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:26 PM)g2_ Wrote: Hasbro is a failure.

You just repeated your self. Why that?

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:32 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote:

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:26 PM)g2_ Wrote: Hasbro is a failure.

I literally just made a detailed post about why Hasbro is not a failure it's just a work in progress

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:55 PM)JCE_13 Wrote:

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:46 PM)originalzankye Wrote: If Hasbro started off Speedstorm giving people hope with things like Chassis disks, gimmick on the Layers and started off OK with Wave 1 then through the latter waves does worse and worse with hollowing out the beys and repeating the same mistakes and even doing worse with poor disk choice. Then the Speedstorm system from start to finish is a failure, very poor execution. 

"When a Bey is bad in the TT world Hasbro makes it better."

Your examples don't make much sense since:

- TT Union wasn't bad, Hasbro Union is most certainly not an improvement 
- TT Master Diabolos wasn't bad and again Master Develos wasn't better
- TT Tempest most certainly was not bad by any sort of the means and Dragon D6 was not better.

When people talk about if Hasbro did something better than TT it is not really referred to with stock but an actual specific part. Like Yard TT compared to Yard Slingshock and how Yard Slingshock is better due to less scraping than TT. 

Even then that only applied maybe a few years ago back in Switchstrike, with Turbo/Rise/Surge it certainly does not apply.

These beys listed were not better than TT, but they weren't bad for Hasbro Hasbro at all. (I don't know anything about Devolos, but Union was a good hypersphere and Triumph is a good speedstorm.

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:46 PM)originalzankye Wrote:

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:10 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote: Owch man, failure is a mean way to put it, more like needs improvement though Hasbro has had a lot of bad Beys it's actually had a lot of good beys to make up for them, usually when a Bey is bad in the TT world Hasbro makes it better, for example, Union Achilles A4  Master Devlos D5  and Triumph Dragon D6 and a bunch of others, Hasbro isn't doing the best job but I wouldn't say they're a failure more like a bit of laziness and need for improvement lol

If Hasbro started off Speedstorm giving people hope with things like Chassis disks, gimmick on the Layers and started off OK with Wave 1 then through the latter waves does worse and worse with hollowing out the beys and repeating the same mistakes and even doing worse with poor disk choice. Then the Speedstorm system from start to finish is a failure, very poor execution. 

"When a Bey is bad in the TT world Hasbro makes it better."

Your examples don't make much sense since:

- TT Union wasn't bad, Hasbro Union is most certainly not an improvement 
- TT Master Diabolos wasn't bad and again Master Develos wasn't better
- TT Tempest most certainly was not bad by any sort of the means and Dragon D6 was not better.

When people talk about if Hasbro did something better than TT it is not really referred to with stock but an actual specific part. Like Yard TT compared to Yard Slingshock and how Yard Slingshock is better due to less scraping than TT. 

Even then that only applied maybe a few years ago back in Switchstrike, with Turbo/Rise/Surge it certainly does not apply.

(Aug. 26, 2021  9:00 PM)g2_ Wrote:

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:28 PM)BeySkozo Raky Wrote: You just repeated your self. Why that?

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(Aug. 26, 2021  8:32 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote: I literally just made a detailed post about why Hasbro is not a failure it's just a work in progress

Yeah, it's evolving. Just backwards.

(Aug. 26, 2021  9:04 PM)g2_ Wrote:

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:46 PM)originalzankye Wrote: If Hasbro started off Speedstorm giving people hope with things like Chassis disks, gimmick on the Layers and started off OK with Wave 1 then through the latter waves does worse and worse with hollowing out the beys and repeating the same mistakes and even doing worse with poor disk choice. Then the Speedstorm system from start to finish is a failure, very poor execution. 

"When a Bey is bad in the TT world Hasbro makes it better."

Your examples don't make much sense since:

- TT Union wasn't bad, Hasbro Union is most certainly not an improvement 
- TT Master Diabolos wasn't bad and again Master Develos wasn't better
- TT Tempest most certainly was not bad by any sort of the means and Dragon D6 was not better.

When people talk about if Hasbro did something better than TT it is not really referred to with stock but an actual specific part. Like Yard TT compared to Yard Slingshock and how Yard Slingshock is better due to less scraping than TT. 

Even then that only applied maybe a few years ago back in Switchstrike, with Turbo/Rise/Surge it certainly does not apply.

Zankye is right, the beys are not even balanced with each other. We get good hits like Curse Satomb and Glide Rocktavor, and then we get stuff like Brave Valtryek, World Spryzen, and Infinite Achilles.

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:59 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote:

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:46 PM)originalzankye Wrote: If Hasbro started off Speedstorm giving people hope with things like Chassis disks, gimmick on the Layers and started off OK with Wave 1 then through the latter waves does worse and worse with hollowing out the beys and repeating the same mistakes and even doing worse with poor disk choice. Then the Speedstorm system from start to finish is a failure, very poor execution. 

"When a Bey is bad in the TT world Hasbro makes it better."

Your examples don't make much sense since:

- TT Union wasn't bad, Hasbro Union is most certainly not an improvement 
- TT Master Diabolos wasn't bad and again Master Develos wasn't better
- TT Tempest most certainly was not bad by any sort of the means and Dragon D6 was not better.

When people talk about if Hasbro did something better than TT it is not really referred to with stock but an actual specific part. Like Yard TT compared to Yard Slingshock and how Yard Slingshock is better due to less scraping than TT. 

Even then that only applied maybe a few years ago back in Switchstrike, with Turbo/Rise/Surge it certainly does not apply.

I may've used bad examples but when I was talking about Union, Master, and Tempest I was talking teeth/locks wise, also, Hasbro's Union and Triumph kinda have better performance than their  TT counterparts, I'm not saying they were horrible but they weren't the best Beys, Union had a really good concept, its teeth were holding it back from being better, but, Hasbro fixed this probably and made it have tight slides (I'm sorry, I honestly don't know what its called when Hasbro beys "Click") The BGG's even had a battle video with Hasbro Union and TT Union and Hasbro's Union did way better than TT's Union, I'd say IMO that it was a real upgrade. Master Diabolos was a good Bey you're right about that but Right Spin wasn't really the best because it had a huge gap and if opposing Beys hit that gap it'd be over. Tempest was a good Bey but the thing that held it back was when you launched it the wings would come out (It was advertised to take a hit then the wings come out but whatever) and if a Bey hit one of the wings it would make the Bey super off-balanced literally killing its stamina, that's kinda 1A's fault but whatever. I'm not trying to change your opinion or anything I'm just giving my opinion

(Aug. 26, 2021  9:07 PM)Dread hades12 Wrote: I agree as well. But I have semi-high expectations for the pro series though. This is Hasbro's chance for redemption

(Aug. 26, 2021  9:13 PM)originalzankye Wrote:

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:59 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote: I may've used bad examples but when I was talking about Union, Master, and Tempest I was talking teeth/locks wise, also, Hasbro's Union and Triumph kinda have better performance than their  TT counterparts, I'm not saying they were horrible but they weren't the best Beys, Union had a really good concept, its teeth were holding it back from being better, but, Hasbro fixed this probably and made it have tight slides (I'm sorry, I honestly don't know what its called when Hasbro beys "Click") The BGG's even had a battle video with Hasbro Union and TT Union and Hasbro's Union did way better than TT's Union, I'd say IMO that it was a real upgrade. Master Diabolos was a good Bey you're right about that but Right Spin wasn't really the best because it had a huge gap and if opposing Beys hit that gap it'd be over. Tempest was a good Bey but the thing that held it back was when you launched it the wings would come out (It was advertised to take a hit then the wings come out but whatever) and if a Bey hit one of the wings it would make the Bey super off-balanced literally killing its stamina, that's kinda 1A's fault but whatever. I'm not trying to change your opinion or anything I'm just giving my opinion

Hasbro's Union and Triumph and Master do not have better performance than their TT counterparts I don't know what source you have for that, but countless competitive testings prove otherwise. 

I also have to very clearly say this but we do not look at stock combos for competitive viability for the general meta or even just Hasbro Meta. 

"Union had a really good concept, its teeth were holding it back from being better, but, Hasbro fixed this probably and made it have tight slides"

I don't know if you own TT Union or don't but Union(Stock) didn't have weak burst resistance, there was recoil from power mode but the Achilles GT chip wasn't . People's issue with stock Union was convert scraping and it dying in rounds due to that.
  
For the rest of it you are talking about stock combos which is an extremely pointless argument, especially with Master and Tempest, and also not understanding how the gimmicks worked and functioned in battle. Releases like Master(Layer Base) and Tempest(Ring) were top-tier competitive for their respective seasons for a reason.

I don't think you understand how the Takara Tomy stuff worked competitively to make the statement that Hasbro improved from TT.

If you like Hasbro then awesome, good for you but please be informed lol

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:10 PM)UnseenBurst Wrote:

(Aug. 26, 2021  8:04 PM)g2_ Wrote: Hasbro is a failure. I miss the Slingshock beys.

Owch man, failure is a mean way to put it, more like needs improvement though Hasbro has had a lot of bad Beys it's actually had a lot of good beys to make up for them, usually when a Bey is bad in the TT world Hasbro makes it better, for example, Union Achilles A4 Master Devlos D5 and Triumph Dragon D6 and a bunch of others, Hasbro isn't doing the best job but I wouldn't say they're a failure more like a bit of laziness and need for improvement lol

UnseenBurst Wrote: I may've used bad examples but when I was talking about Union, Master, and Tempest I was talking teeth/locks wise

Quote: also, Hasbro's Union and Triumph kinda have better performance than their  TT counterparts, I'm not saying they were horrible but they weren't the best Beys, Union had a really good concept, its teeth were holding it back from being better, but, Hasbro fixed this probably and made it have tight slides (I'm sorry, I honestly don't know what its called when Hasbro beys "Click") The BGG's even had a battle video with Hasbro Union and TT Union and Hasbro's Union did way better than TT's Union, I'd say IMO that it was a real upgrade. Master Diabolos was a good Bey you're right about that but Right Spin wasn't really the best because it had a huge gap and if opposing Beys hit that gap it'd be over. Tempest was a good Bey but the thing that held it back was when you launched it the wings would come out (It was advertised to take a hit then the wings come out but whatever) and if a Bey hit one of the wings it would make the Bey super off-balanced literally killing its stamina, that's kinda 1A's fault but whatever. I'm not trying to change your opinion or anything I'm just giving my opinion