(Jun. 09, 2019  3:29 AM)KingSpin Wrote:

(Jun. 08, 2019  10:57 PM)CitrusNinja3 Wrote: Even if they all had Goku Weights, the GT Beys would be outclassed because of their contact points and mediocre teeth. Slash has too much recoil to be able to attack for long periods of time, Bushin has a rough perimeter that makes it useless for defense, Rock has big gaps that give it too much recoil, Ace has contact points that are rough but with very little Smash Attack power like Z Achilles, etc. Maybe if Slash had a shape closer to Winning Valkyrie's, it could be pretty good for Attack. It would have better balance than wV, wouldn't self-burst as much as SV, and would be more durable than SV.

When two beys collide, *both* of them recoil. From basic physics, the heavier bey will have less recoil induced, and thus lower chance of flying out of the stadium.

For attack combos, you *want* the recoil. The problem with Slash is that its too light, weighing only at 9.1g. With the new layer weight, we're gonna see its effective overall weight bumped to around 23g - heavy enough to withstand the recoil it creates. Slash is actually a really good attack layer base, its just a pity that its abysmal weight (its the lightest layer base IIRC) causes it to not have the impact it was meant to have. Its smash attack is probably better than wV's due to the better shape it has, IMO.

A similar explanation goes for all the other GT layer bases you mentioned. "Too much recoil" can be fixed with higher weight.

Bushin and Rock actually have decently defensive perimeters that serve their purpose. You're probably saying that because they're bursting frequently, which is actually because of the raised platform for the GT chip, which nerfs the tightness of any chip on it.

(Jun. 09, 2019  3:47 AM)CitrusNinja3 Wrote: 2 or 3 extra grams can’t fix the issue of GT Beys having too much recoil or the Defense/Stamina Bases not exposing the teeth. There’s also the problem with some of the Bases having elevated contact points that make them easy to destabilize. Sorry to say, but GT Beys won’t be competitive outside of opposite-spin matchups with Cosmo unless a Weight a few heavier than Goku comes out.

(Jun. 09, 2019  4:15 AM)KingSpin Wrote:

(Jun. 09, 2019  3:47 AM)CitrusNinja3 Wrote: 2 or 3 extra grams can’t fix the issue of GT Beys having too much recoil or the Defense/Stamina Bases not exposing the teeth. There’s also the problem with some of the Bases having elevated contact points that make them easy to destabilize. Sorry to say, but GT Beys won’t be competitive outside of opposite-spin matchups with Cosmo unless a Weight a few heavier than Goku comes out.

Yeah, it probably wont make all GT layers viable, but I'm foreseeing that it will make some that are on-the-fence now viable in competitive.

Slash is one that I would really hope to see in the competitive scene. But Judgment will probably still outclass it.. =/

On a side note, I think Dread will be pretty strong with it too. Its gonna be at least 26g - just slap the Fafnir chip and Destroy' - it's gonna be a decently competitive combo at the minimum.

(Jun. 09, 2019  8:49 PM)TheBladingCow Wrote: Is anyone going to mention that you are going to pay the SAME amount of beypoints for a Rare Bey Get Battle prize that doesn't give you an entire bey! It isn't any easier to get it than the other prizes you can try for! The only new part is Goku, and Slash and Valkyrie have already been released. It is better to try for Shining Amaterios, Orichalcum, or Baldur rather than trying for a single layer.

(Jun. 11, 2019  3:39 AM)HakaishinLDrago Wrote:

(Jun. 09, 2019  8:49 PM)TheBladingCow Wrote: Is anyone going to mention that you are going to pay the SAME amount of beypoints for a Rare Bey Get Battle prize that doesn't give you an entire bey! It isn't any easier to get it than the other prizes you can try for! The only new part is Goku, and Slash and Valkyrie have already been released. It is better to try for Shining Amaterios, Orichalcum, or Baldur rather than trying for a single layer.

I mean it's the Gold Turbo version of slash valkyrie and I don't think anyone would care that it's just a single layer i.e. dread bahamut from the random layer vol. 1 set

(Jun. 09, 2019  8:49 PM)TheBladingCow Wrote: Is anyone going to mention that you are going to pay the SAME amount of beypoints for a Rare Bey Get Battle prize that doesn't give you an entire bey! It isn't any easier to get it than the other prizes you can try for! The only new part is Goku, and Slash and Valkyrie have already been released. It is better to try for Shining Amaterios, Orichalcum, or Baldur rather than trying for a single layer.

(Jun. 09, 2019  3:29 AM)KingSpin Wrote: When two beys collide, *both* of them recoil. From basic physics, the heavier bey will have less recoil induced, and thus lower chance of flying out of the stadium.

For attack combos, you *want* the recoil. The problem with Slash is that its too light, weighing only at 9.1g. With the new layer weight, we're gonna see its effective overall weight bumped to around 23g - heavy enough to withstand the recoil it creates. Slash is actually a really good attack layer base, its just a pity that its abysmal weight (its the lightest layer base IIRC) causes it to not have the impact it was meant to have. Its smash attack is probably better than wV's due to the better shape it has, IMO.

A similar explanation goes for all the other GT layer bases you mentioned. "Too much recoil" can be fixed with higher weight.

Bushin and Rock actually have decently defensive perimeters that serve their purpose. You're probably saying that because they're bursting frequently, which is actually because of the raised platform for the GT chip, which nerfs the tightness of any chip on it.

(Jun. 12, 2019  1:29 PM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote: Why would you want recoil with an attack bey or any bey for that matter? As far as I know recoil is the negative and undesired effect of an attack type bey (just taking a case of attack combo). Smash or push attack is what is wanted in attack combos. But, many attack layers have huge recoil and as you said weight of the goku might be the answer to reducing the recoil.

(Jun. 12, 2019  1:29 PM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote: Why would you want recoil with an attack bey or any bey for that matter? As far as I know recoil is the negative and undesired effect of an attack type bey (just taking a case of attack combo). Smash or push attack is what is wanted in attack combos. But, many attack layers have huge recoil and as you said weight of the goku might be the answer to reducing the recoil.