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RE: BB-126 Flash Sagittario 230WD Rough Draft - Raigeko13 - Aug. 26, 2012

Agreed on that all, haha.
I've been doing some informal defense testing, and I personally prefer Sag II over Aquario. It's really just a complete circle all the way around and doesn't have as many bumps as Aquario.


RE: BB-126 Flash Sagittario 230WD Rough Draft - Kai-V - Aug. 26, 2012

Really, more circular than Aquario ? The latter's rare lines are all in the same direction as the spin, and the width/height itself seems much more regular and "solid" than Sagittario II.


RE: BB-126 Flash Sagittario 230WD Rough Draft - Raigeko13 - Aug. 30, 2012

I find it to be, yeah. I'll take a comparison photo and try to explain what I mean. Annnnndddd some formal testing doing a comparative of the two.


RE: BB-126 Flash Sagittario 230WD Rough Draft - Rush - Dec. 18, 2012

(Apr. 12, 2012  5:20 PM)Kai-V Wrote:
Quote:Flash Sagittario 230WD is the last 4D release, as well as the last regular release for Metal Fight Beyblade before the beginning of Beyblade Zero-G. It marks the end of the BB- code product line.

Face: Sagittario II

The Face of this Beyblade depicts Sagittarius, the ninth astrological Zodiac sign. In addition to the original mark design, a bright explosion was drawn behind the two eyes of Sagittario, to create a link with the 4D Metal Wheel it is released with, Flash.

4D Clear Wheel: Sagittario II
Weight: 3.3 grams

It is possible to observe many bows and arrows designed into the Sagittario II 4D Clear Wheel, similar to the original Sagittario Clear Wheel which Sagittario II is largely based on. It is neon orange in colour. Competitively, this Clear Wheel is very decent in Stamina; however, it is generally not chosen over other Clear Wheels with slightly better weight distibution. Even on Flash, other Clear Wheels are better suited to it, an example being Escolpio.

4D Metal Wheel: Flash
Weight: 45.6 grams

In coordination with the theme of the Sagittario II 4D Clear Wheel, Flash is an assembly of many bow-and-arrow illustrations. At first glance, this Metal Wheel looks very similar to the Flame and Inferno Metal Wheels (<------ Is this right?). The gimmick used for Flash's mode change is not new at all, despite TAKARA-TOMY's designers having more creative ideas originally. Flash is also prone to wearing when used frequently, particularly in Attack Mode.

Metal Frame

Flash's Metal Frame resembles the Flame Metal Wheel a lot. It is rather oval, and half of its sides consist in a large and very thick slope. Its underside is mostly empty however, which takes away most of its potential weight. Flash's mode change is possible because of the existence of some small walls on the underside of the Metal Frame.


Core

This piece looks very similar to its Metal Frame; however there is much less relief in it: while the Metal Frame has slopes, Flash's Core is completely flat. This detail is the reason that its underside is entirely filled; though, otherwise it could suffer from breakage issues.


----
*'''Stamina Mode'''
In Stamina Mode, the two bow-and-arrows from the Metal Frame are perpendicular to those of the Core. This mode creates a four-winged shape. In this mode, it has proven to be more of a Defense Wheel than a Wheel used for Stamina, although it is severely outclassed by other, more ideally shaped Wheels such as Duo and Basalt.

*'''Attack Mode'''
Once the Metal Frame is rotated by 90°, the Attack Mode is achieved, where the two bow-and-arrow designs of the Core are exactly under the Metal Frame's. The resulting shape of the Flash 4D Metal Wheel is one that is exaggerately elongated. However, most of Flash's weight becomes focused on two distinctive sides, which conveys to it a substantial Flywheel Effect, and since both metal parts are one on top of the other, the 4D Metal Wheel becomes much denser.
----

Flash was released to be a Stamina Metal Wheel, but testing has proved otherwise. Its full potential has been found in Attack Customizations, providing top-tier results because of its outwards weight and minimal Recoil. The only Recoil that Flash suffers from is opposite to the direction of rotation, but this also insinuates that incredible force is produced with each hit. It is also not an issue because of the minimal outwards Recoil, as Flash does a great job at pushing through opposing Beyblades. Flash works well on a variety of Tracks from 105-145 as long as the main contact points are not obscured by Tracks such as BD145, or other Tracks with poor synergy to it.

Use In Attack Customization
A very popular Attack combo for Flash is MF-H Flash Escolpio/Pisces/Orion S130/CH120/H145/GB145 RF/R2F. Optimum, top tier results can be achieved by choosing the Track that you feel most comfortable with, so that particular combo may not necessarily be the best for you. Another popular yet unique combo, utilizing the Metal Flat Bottom, is MF-H Flash Excolpio/Pisces/Orion W145MF. It is better for late-battle KO's than the RF version, and can even outspin many rubber Bottoms since metal has less friction than rubber. Furthermore, Metal Flat assists in creating a movement pattern that allows more hits to be made, increasing chances of a Knock-Out. The MF combo is not necessarily better than the RF combo, but both have their advantages and disadvantages that should be taken into consideration when selecting a combo.

Overall
Flash Sagittario 230WD contains very useful parts. Flash is now one of the best Attack Metal Wheels in the regular Metal Fight Beyblade Metagame. With previous top tier Attack Beyblades, Recoil was a problem that made Attack Types a lot less reliable. Flash is a great Metal Wheel in this regard, being less prone to self KO's than other top tier Beyblades such as VariAres. 230 silenced a great majority of previously dominant Stamina, Defense and Attack combos upon release, and is great for Phantom Stamina or Defense combos. Flash Sagittario also comes with WD, a top-tier Stamina Bottom. '''Every Blader should at least own one of this Beyblade.'''

Make any edits you see fit Smile




RE: BB-126 Flash Sagittario 230WD Rough Draft - Cannon - Dec. 19, 2012

You put an extra 'sign' in the first edit you made, and remove the 's' in the last one used.

Also, in the Flash section; rather than saying it is a unified version of Flame and Inferno, say its design is relatively similar to them.



I can't do any major edits right now, since I'm on my iPad, and it would be way too time consuming.


RE: BB-126 Flash Sagittario 230WD Rough Draft - Rush - Dec. 19, 2012

I made a few minor edits in addition to what Cannon said (thanks Cannon!), and we have this so far:
Quote:Flash Sagittario 230WD is the last 4D release, as well as the last regular release for Metal Fight Beyblade before the beginning of Beyblade Zero-G. It marks the end of the BB- code product line.

Face: Sagittario II

The Face of this Beyblade depicts Sagittarius, the ninth astrological Zodiac sign. In addition to the original mark design, a bright explosion was placed behind the two eyes of Sagittario, to create a link with the 4D Metal Wheel it is released with, Flash.

4D Clear Wheel: Sagittario II
Weight: 3.3 grams


It is possible to observe many bows and arrows designed into the Sagittario II 4D Clear Wheel, similar to the original Sagittario Clear Wheel which Sagittario II is largely based on. It is neon orange in colour. Competitively, this Clear Wheel is very decent in Stamina; however, it is generally not chosen over other Clear Wheels with slightly better weight distibution. Even on Flash, other Clear Wheels are better suited to it, examples being Escolpio and Orion.

4D Metal Wheel: Flash
Weight: 45.6 grams


In coordination with the theme of the Sagittario II 4D Clear Wheel, Flash is an assembly of many bow-and-arrow illustrations. At first glance, this Metal Wheel looks very similar to the Flame and Inferno Metal Wheels. The gimmick used for Flash's mode change is not new at all, despite TAKARA-TOMY's designers having more creative ideas originally. Flash is also prone to wearing when used frequently, particularly in Attack Mode.

Metal Frame

Flash's Metal Frame resembles the Flame Metal Wheel to a great degree. It is rather oval, and half of its sides consist in a large and very thick slope. Its underside is mostly empty however, which takes away most of its potential weight. Flash's mode change is possible because of the existence of some small walls on the underside of the Metal Frame.

Core

This piece looks very similar to its Metal Frame; however there is much less relief in it: while the Metal Frame has slopes, Flash's Core is completely flat. This detail is the reason that its underside is entirely filled; otherwise it could suffer from breakage issues.


----
*'''Stamina Mode'''
In Stamina Mode, the two bow-and-arrows from the Metal Frame are perpendicular to those of the Core. This mode creates a four-winged shape. In this mode, it has proven to be more of a Defense Wheel than a Wheel used for Stamina, although it is severely outclassed by other, more ideally shaped Wheels, such as Duo and Basalt.

*'''Attack Mode'''
Once the Metal Frame is rotated by 90°, Attack Mode is achieved, where the two bow-and-arrow designs of the Core are exactly under the Metal Frame's. The resulting shape of the Flash 4D Metal Wheel is one that is exaggerately elongated. However, most of Flash's weight becomes focused on two distinctive sides, which conveys to it a substantial Flywheel Effect, and since both metal parts are one on top of the other, the 4D Metal Wheel becomes much denser.
----

Flash was released to be a Stamina Metal Wheel, but testing has proved otherwise. Its full potential has been found in Attack Customizations, providing top-tier results because of its outwards weight and minimal Recoil. The only Recoil that Flash suffers from is opposite to the direction of rotation, but this also insinuates that incredible force is produced with each hit. It is also not an issue because of the minimal outwards Recoil, as Flash does a great job at pushing through opposing Beyblades. Flash works well on a variety of Tracks from 105-145 as long as the main contact points are not obscured by Tracks such as BD145, or other Tracks with poor synergy to it.

Use In Attack Customization
A very popular Attack combo for Flash is MF-H Flash Escolpio/Pisces/Orion S130/CH120/H145/GB145 RF/R2F. Optimum, top tier results can be achieved by choosing the Track that you feel most comfortable with, so that particular combo may not necessarily be the best for you. Another popular yet unique combo, utilizing the Metal Flat Bottom, is MF-H Flash Excolpio/Pisces/Orion W145MF. It is better for late-battle KO's than the RF version, and can even outspin many rubber Bottoms since metal has less friction than rubber. Furthermore, Metal Flat assists in creating a movement pattern that allows more hits to be made, increasing chances of a Knock-Out. The MF combo is not necessarily better than the RF combo, but both have their advantages and disadvantages that should be taken into consideration when selecting a combo.

Overall
Flash Sagittario 230WD contains very useful parts. Flash is now one of the best Attack Metal Wheels in the regular Metal Fight Beyblade Metagame. With previous top tier Attack Beyblades, Recoil was a problem that made Attack Types a lot less reliable. Flash is a great Metal Wheel in this regard, being less prone to self KO's than other top tier Beyblades such as VariAres. 230 silenced a great majority of previously dominant Stamina, Defense and Attack combos upon release, and is great for Phantom Stamina or Defense combos. Flash Sagittario also comes with WD, a top-tier Stamina Bottom. '''Every Blader should at least own one of this Beyblade.'''



RE: BB-126 Flash Sagittario 230WD Rough Draft - Raigeko13 - Dec. 28, 2012

Kai-V mentioned this to me earlier today, and it really needs to be up. I never showed comparison photos for Sagittario II and Aquario.

So, here they are (large images):
As you can see, Sagittario II and Aquario are very similar in many ways. They both have 4 main points on them. As for the rest, it creates 4 other sections that are quite evenly distributed as well. I don't want to say that Sagittario II can replace Aquario or anything, but that it can be sued as a good substitute or alternative if Aquario is not available.

As for the tests, they produce nearly identical results. Testing CW's is a hard thing to do, especially when two of them are similar, it's hard to distinguish if one is truly better than the other.



RE: BB-126 Flash Sagittario 230WD Rough Draft - Kai-V - Jan. 06, 2013

This should now be completely ready, except that I have no idea why it would be worth mentioning that Flash in Stamina Mode has OK Defense ... ? Briefly looking at the results in the Flash Discussion in the Beyblade Customizations forum, that does not even seem to be particularly true.


Quote:Flash Sagittario 230WD is the last 4D release, as well as the last regular release for Metal Fight Beyblade before the beginning of Beyblade Zero-G. It marks the end of the BB- code product line.

Face: Sagittario II

The Face of this Beyblade depicts Sagittarius, the ninth astrological Zodiac sign. In addition to the original mark design, a bright explosion was placed behind the two eyes of Sagittario, to create a link with the 4D Metal Wheel it is released with, Flash.

4D Clear Wheel: Sagittario II
Weight: 3.3 grams


It is possible to observe many bows and arrows designed into the Sagittario II 4D Clear Wheel, similar to the original Sagittario Clear Wheel which Sagittario II is largely based on. It is neon orange in color. Competitively, this Clear Wheel is very decent in Stamina; however, it is generally not chosen over other Clear Wheels with slightly better weight distibution. Even on Flash, other Clear Wheels are better suited to it, examples being Escolpio and Orion. However, if Aquario and Cancer are unavailable, Sagittario II may be considered as a substitute for good Defense and Stamina combinations.

4D Metal Wheel: Flash
Weight: 45.6 grams


In coordination with the theme of the Sagittario II 4D Clear Wheel, Flash is an assembly of many bow-and-arrow illustrations. At first glance, this Metal Wheel looks very similar to the Flame Metal Wheel and the Sagittario Wheel. The gimmick used for Flash's mode change is not new at all, despite TAKARA-TOMY's designers having more creative ideas originally (see Gallery for pre-production sketches). Flash is also prone to wearing when used frequently, particularly in Attack Mode.

Metal Frame

Flash's Metal Frame resembles the Flame Metal Wheel to a great degree. It is rather oval, and half of its sides consist in a large and very thick slope. Its underside is mostly hollow however, which takes away most of its potential weight. Flash's mode change is possible because of the existence of some small walls on the underside of the Metal Frame.

Core

This piece looks very similar to its Metal Frame; however there is much less relief in it: while the Metal Frame has slopes, Flash's Core is completely flat, and thin. This detail is the reason that its underside is entirely filled; otherwise, it could suffer from breakage issues. This Core has four small, rectangular holes which hold the Metal Frame in place and allows the mode change via its rotation.


----
*'''Stamina Mode'''
In Stamina Mode, the two bow-and-arrows from the Metal Frame are perpendicular to those of the Core. This mode creates a four-winged shape. In this mode, it has proven to be more of a Defense Wheel than a Wheel used for Stamina, although it is severely outclassed by other, more ideally shaped Wheels, such as Duo and Basalt.

*'''Attack Mode'''
Once the Metal Frame is rotated by 90°, Attack Mode is achieved, where the two bow-and-arrow designs of the Core are exactly under the Metal Frame's. The resulting shape of the Flash 4D Metal Wheel is one that is exaggerately elongated. However, most of Flash's weight becomes focused on two distinctive sides, which conveys to it a substantial Flywheel Effect, and since both metal parts are one on top of the other, the 4D Metal Wheel becomes much denser. This oval shape that concentrates a majority of the weight as far away from the center as possible creates spectacular power in Attack, its own momentum increasing every hit.
----

Flash was released to be a Stamina 4D Metal Wheel, but tests have proven otherwise. Its full potential has been found in Attack Customizations, providing top-tier results because of its outwards weight and minimal Recoil. The only Recoil that Flash suffers from is opposite to the direction of rotation, but this also insinuates that incredible force is produced with each hit. It is also not an issue because of the minimal outwards Recoil, as Flash does a great job at pushing through opposing Beyblades. This 4D Metal Wheel works well on a variety of Tracks from 105-145 as long as the main contact points are not obscured by Tracks such as BD145, or other Tracks with poor synergy to it. Overall, Flash is considered the best Attack Metal Wheel of the whole Metal Fight Beyblade series.

Use In Attack Customization
A very popular Attack combo for Flash is MF-H Flash Escolpio/Pisces/Orion S130/CH120/H145/GB145 RF/R2F, in Attack Mode. Optimum, top tier results can be achieved by choosing the Track that you feel most comfortable with, so that particular combo may not necessarily be the best for you. Another popular yet unique combo, utilizing the Metal Flat Bottom, is MF-H Flash Excolpio/Pisces/Orion W145MF. It is better for late-battle KO's than the RF version, and can even outspin many rubber Bottoms since metal has less friction than rubber. Furthermore, Metal Flat assists in creating a movement pattern that allows more hits to be made, increasing chances of a Knock-Out. The MF combo is not necessarily better than the RF combo, but both have their advantages and disadvantages that should be taken into consideration when selecting a combo.

Overall
Flash Sagittario 230WD contains very useful parts. Flash is now one of the best Attack Metal Wheels in the regular Metal Fight Beyblade metagame. With previous top-tier Attack Beyblades, Recoil was a problem that made Attack Types a lot less reliable. Flash is a great Metal Wheel in this regard, being less prone to self KO's than other top-tier Metal Wheels such as VariAres. 230 silenced a great majority of previously dominant Stamina, Defense and Attack combos upon release, and is great for Phantom Stamina or Defense combos. Flash Sagittario also comes with WD, a top-tier Stamina Bottom. '''Every Blader should at least own one of this Beyblade.'''



RE: BB-126 Flash Sagittario 230WD Rough Draft - th!nk - Jan. 06, 2013

The 230 part in the overall section needs work - phantom is not a defense wheel and 230 no longer works at all for defense. It is still good for Stamina, but I'd mention Duo over phantom there because phantom's recoil makes it a less safe choice with the more versatile combinations Synchrom has bought us (I think Phantom's time in BB-10 may be drawing to a close, though I lack the parts to test this).

I think the defense stuff is just saying that while bad it is still better at that than stamina (I guess that's right, but do check tests). Explain why the mode has no competitive use (gaps between the wings being large enough to create recoil but unable to hit hard, lacks the highly-focussed weight distribution of Attack mode, many things being better, etc).


RE: BB-126 Flash Sagittario 230WD Rough Draft - blitzunicorno% - Jan. 06, 2013

GREAT DRAFT NICE WORK!


RE: BB-126 Flash Sagittario 230WD Rough Draft - Kai-V - Jan. 07, 2013

How about this th!nk :


Quote:Flash Sagittario 230WD is the last 4D release, as well as the last regular release for Metal Fight Beyblade before the beginning of Beyblade Zero-G. It marks the end of the BB- code product line.

Face: Sagittario II

The Face of this Beyblade depicts Sagittarius, the ninth astrological Zodiac sign. In addition to the original mark design, a bright explosion was placed behind the two eyes of Sagittario, to create a link with the 4D Metal Wheel it is released with, Flash.

4D Clear Wheel: Sagittario II
Weight: 3.3 grams


It is possible to observe many bows and arrows designed into the Sagittario II 4D Clear Wheel, similar to the original Sagittario Clear Wheel which Sagittario II is largely based on. It is neon orange in color. Competitively, this Clear Wheel is very decent in Stamina; however, it is generally not chosen over other Clear Wheels with slightly better weight distibution. Even on Flash, other Clear Wheels are better suited to it, examples being Escolpio and Orion. However, if Aquario and Cancer are unavailable, Sagittario II may be considered as a substitute for good Defense and Stamina combinations.

4D Metal Wheel: Flash
Weight: 45.6 grams


In coordination with the theme of the Sagittario II 4D Clear Wheel, Flash is an assembly of many bow-and-arrow illustrations. At first glance, this Metal Wheel looks very similar to the Flame Metal Wheel and the Sagittario Wheel. The gimmick used for Flash's mode change is not new at all, despite TAKARA-TOMY's designers having more creative ideas originally (see Gallery for pre-production sketches). Flash is also prone to wearing when used frequently, particularly in Attack Mode.

Metal Frame

Flash's Metal Frame resembles the Flame Metal Wheel to a great degree. It is rather oval, and half of its sides consist in a large and very thick slope. Its underside is mostly hollow however, which takes away most of its potential weight. Flash's mode change is possible because of the existence of some small walls on the underside of the Metal Frame.

Core

This piece looks very similar to its Metal Frame; however there is much less relief in it: while the Metal Frame has slopes, Flash's Core is completely flat, and thin. This detail is the reason that its underside is entirely filled; otherwise, it could suffer from breakage issues. This Core has four small, rectangular holes which hold the Metal Frame in place and allows the mode change via its rotation.


----
*'''Stamina Mode'''
In Stamina Mode, the two bow-and-arrows from the Metal Frame are perpendicular to those of the Core. This mode creates a four-winged shape. In this mode, it has proven to be more of a Defense Wheel than a Wheel used for Stamina, although it is severely outclassed by other, more ideally shaped Wheels, such as Duo and Basalt. Flash's Stamina Mode forms a cross shape, which leaves four parts empty, and the four wings themselves are not heavy enough and they are so thin that they do not provide enough protection or much area for minimal shock absorbtion.

*'''Attack Mode'''
Once the Metal Frame is rotated by 90°, Attack Mode is achieved, where the two bow-and-arrow designs of the Core are exactly under the Metal Frame's. The resulting shape of the Flash 4D Metal Wheel is one that is exaggerately elongated. However, most of Flash's weight becomes focused on two distinctive sides, which conveys to it a substantial Flywheel Effect, and since both metal parts are one on top of the other, the 4D Metal Wheel becomes much denser. This oval shape that concentrates a majority of the weight as far away from the center as possible creates spectacular power in Attack, its own momentum increasing every hit.
----

Flash was released to be a Stamina 4D Metal Wheel, but tests have proven otherwise. Its full potential has been found in Attack Customizations, providing top-tier results because of its outwards weight and minimal Recoil. The only Recoil that Flash suffers from is opposite to the direction of rotation, but this also insinuates that incredible force is produced with each hit. It is also not an issue because of the minimal outwards Recoil, as Flash does a great job at pushing through opposing Beyblades. This 4D Metal Wheel works well on a variety of Tracks from 105-145 as long as the main contact points are not obscured by Tracks such as BD145, or other Tracks with poor synergy to it. Overall, Flash is considered the best Attack Metal Wheel of the whole Metal Fight Beyblade series.

Use In Attack Customization
A very popular Attack combo for Flash is MF-H Flash Escolpio/Pisces/Orion S130/CH120/H145/GB145 RF/R2F, in Attack Mode. Optimum, top tier results can be achieved by choosing the Track that you feel most comfortable with, so that particular combo may not necessarily be the best for you. Another popular yet unique combo, utilizing the Metal Flat Bottom, is MF-H Flash Excolpio/Pisces/Orion W145MF. It is better for late-battle KO's than the RF version, and can even outspin many rubber Bottoms since metal has less friction than rubber. Furthermore, Metal Flat assists in creating a movement pattern that allows more hits to be made, increasing chances of a Knock-Out. The MF combo is not necessarily better than the RF combo, but both have their advantages and disadvantages that should be taken into consideration when selecting a combo.

Overall
Flash Sagittario 230WD contains very useful parts. Flash is now one of the best Attack Metal Wheels in the regular Metal Fight Beyblade metagame, and continues to hold that spot even with the introduction of Zero-G's Synchrom combos. With previous top-tier Attack Beyblades, Recoil was a problem that made Attack Types a lot less reliable. Flash is a great Metal Wheel in this regard, being less prone to self KO's than other top-tier Metal Wheels such as VariAres. 230 silenced a great majority of previously dominant Stamina, Defense and Attack combos upon release, but its use is now located strictly in Stamina and Balance customs, where it's top-tier notably with the Duo 4D Metal Wheel. Flash Sagittario also comes with WD, a top-tier Stamina Bottom, even though D or SD are more ideal with 230. '''Every Blader should at least own one of this Beyblade.'''






RE: BB-126 Flash Sagittario 230WD Rough Draft - Rush - Jan. 08, 2013

(Jan. 07, 2013  5:14 PM)Kai-V Wrote: 230 silenced a great majority of previously dominant Stamina, Defense and Attack combos upon release, but its use is now located strictly in Stamina customs, where it's top-tier notably with the Duo 4D Metal Wheel.
Hmm, maybe add that it is "located strictly in Stamina and Balance customs" as well, since MF-H Duo 230MB is on the tier list?




RE: BB-126 Flash Sagittario 230WD Rough Draft - Kai-V - Jan. 08, 2013

Somehow I forgot about it. It is fixed now.


RE: BB-126 Flash Sagittario 230WD Rough Draft - th!nk - Jan. 08, 2013

Still some things I'm not totally happy with, but this requires much less work than the LDG draft, so I'll have it done tonight.

EDIT: My evening just got eaten by checking all of my family's computers for spyware etc. I'm about half done my edits at this point, but I'll probably only be able to finish/post it tomorrow, sorry.


RE: BB-126 Flash Sagittario 230WD Rough Draft - Kai-V - Jan. 19, 2013

So, I am going to publish this soon if nothing else happens ...


RE: BB-126 Flash Sagittario 230WD Rough Draft - th!nk - Jan. 19, 2013

It isn't good enough to go up yet. Give me a couple more days, I've been abnormally busy lately with a family holiday coming up and some other personal stuff - I haven't even had time to take some quick snaps of my new orthrus yet, but I'll set aside some time tomorrow for this.