(Dec. 08, 2021  2:29 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Dec. 08, 2021  2:23 AM)SpeedySuomi Wrote: Uh, no? Beyblade has never followed the manga, and DB is no exception either. DB's manga is way different from the anime, an example of this was when Rashad was introduced, (I believe) he punched a thief off his motorcycle and when Basara left for Rashad's side, Bell appeared to be more affected.

Yes it does. It doesn't follow it exactly no. But the main events and story it does follow pretty much its usually the same events but just different outcomes and variations since the anime has 1 episode a week compared to the manga which is 1 chapter a month. For example how did bell get the gears in the manga? Battling the legends and how did he do it in the anime? The same way just with slight variations here and there. Another example is how Valt did the same battles in the anime but just with single layer valkyrie instead if victory

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(Dec. 08, 2021  2:25 AM)God Dragruler Wrote: Thats the thing The anime only loostly follows the manga the endgame are the same but not the road to get their specially after s2. The change or put alot of stuff for the anime the db manga story doesnt have issues it was made clear Where it was going unlike the anime who was trying to build things a very different way

Yes i understand that they are trying to build it up a different way yes but one of the main reasons is due to the anime moving faster than the manga. They over all have the same main events but take different ways to get there. The manga moves at a slower pace compared to the anime which is 1 episode every week compared to 1 chapter a month

(Dec. 08, 2021  2:18 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Dec. 08, 2021  1:34 AM)Admiral W Wrote: That was certainly part of the problem, but another issue was plot progression. They weren't progressing plot and character forward at the same time which slowed the pacing for a good while.

Agreed that the pacing was off and iffy in some areas but you also have to remember that the Anime events are based off and follow the manga. So the anime would have to keep in pace with the manga which is 1 chapter per month with the draw backs if also only having 10 minute episodes. But otherwise yea they dont really pace the story and its characters correctly even when they do have the time to do it.

(Dec. 08, 2021  2:39 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Dec. 08, 2021  2:18 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: Agreed that the pacing was off and iffy in some areas but you also have to remember that the Anime events are based off and follow the manga. So the anime would have to keep in pace with the manga which is 1 chapter per month with the draw backs if also only having 10 minute episodes. But otherwise yea they dont really pace the story and its characters correctly even when they do have the time to do it.

That's not really the case. The anime largely tells it's own story and there are prior seasons that didn't suffer from that problem; Season 1, 2, & 4 all did a good job progressing plot and character forward.

(Dec. 08, 2021  2:45 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Dec. 08, 2021  2:39 AM)Admiral W Wrote: That's not really the case. The anime largely tells it's own story and there are prior seasons that didn't suffer from that problem; Season 1, 2, & 4 all did a good job progressing plot and character forward.

I said for part of the time. Not all the time. On top of that season 1-3 all had 20 minute episodes they had way more than enough time to develop the characters. Season 4 had good development as well mainly because they didnt try rushing the story and focused on a good handful of characters. And yea again the anime tells its own story thats mainly based around the main plot of the manga. On top of that again ANIME has 1 episode every week which equals up to 52 compared to the MANGA that has 1 chapter per month which equals 10 to 12 chapters the anime has more time which means more events

(Dec. 08, 2021  2:56 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Dec. 08, 2021  2:45 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: I said for part of the time. Not all the time. On top of that season 1-3 all had 20 minute episodes they had way more than enough time to develop the characters. Season 4 had good development as well mainly because they didnt try rushing the story and focused on a good handful of characters. And yea again the anime tells its own story thats mainly based around the main plot of the manga. On top of that again ANIME has 1 episode every week which equals up to 52 compared to the MANGA that has 1 chapter per month which equals 10 to 12 chapters the anime has more time which means more events

It's not even really about the runtime. More runtime allows you to do more but Rise shows that even with reduced runtime you can progress plot and character forward at the same time well even with less time. The problem with DB is they didn't progress those two at the same for a large portion of the season which slowed the pacing. Season 1, 2, & 4 progressed character as they progressed plot. They did both at once which kept the story moving as the characters changed. Had nothing to do with the pace of the manga. DB's pacing suffered because they weren't progressing plot and character together. They were stopping one to do the other instead of doing both at once.

(Dec. 08, 2021  3:07 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Dec. 08, 2021  2:56 AM)Admiral W Wrote: It's not even really about the runtime. More runtime allows you to do more but Rise shows that even with reduced runtime you can progress plot and character forward at the same time well even with less time. The problem with DB is they didn't progress those two at the same for a large portion of the season which slowed the pacing. Season 1, 2, & 4 progressed character as they progressed plot. They did both at once which kept the story moving as the characters changed. Had nothing to do with the pace of the manga. DB's pacing suffered because they weren't progressing plot and character together. They were stopping one to do the other instead of doing both at once.

Yes it does. Thats pretty much how every anime and manga works and run time has nothing to do with it? Yes it does there’s a difference of using your time wisely and you have way too much time on your hands. Because the manga has a fewer chapters they make it develop as natural as possible compared to the anime that has to add more because it has more time compared to the manga. The anime has 52 episodes so they HAVE to stretch out some things compared to the manga. For example how did bell get the gears in the anime? The SAME way the manga did it just without the DB tour which stretched out time. Bell fighting the legends the SAME way the manga did just replace valt with rashad. Again because the anime has more time so they HAVE to add more compared to the manga that has just enough to tell what it needs to. So yes the anime doesn’t follow the manga not exactly but they do follow each other in terms of the same main events they just add more to reach the same conclusion.

(Dec. 08, 2021  3:17 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Dec. 08, 2021  3:07 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: Yes it does. Thats pretty much how every anime and manga works and run time has nothing to do with it? Yes it does there’s a difference of using your time wisely and you have way too much time on your hands. Because the manga has a fewer chapters they make it develop as natural as possible compared to the anime that has to add more because it has more time compared to the manga. The anime has 52 episodes so they HAVE to stretch out some things compared to the manga. For example how did bell get the gears in the anime? The SAME way the manga did it just without the DB tour which stretched out time. Bell fighting the legends the SAME way the manga did just replace valt with rashad. Again because the anime has more time so they HAVE to add more compared to the manga that has just enough to tell what it needs to. So yes the anime doesn’t follow the manga not exactly but they do follow each other in terms of the same main events they just add more to reach the same conclusion.

Your missing some important details. As mentioned before the anime and the manga tell largely different stories. There are some major beats shared between but they tell their own stories. The pace of the anime isn't reliant on the pace of the manga for the simple reason that the stories they weave are different. The reduced runtime doesn't really matter because we've seen Rise do very well with plot and character progression with this reduced runtime. The manga provides certain story touchstones but they are for the most part different, there are some things shared between them but they tell very different narratives. 

Even with it's different story, the anime has told stories with arcs that flow naturally one into the next so the idea that the anime can't do that and only the manga can is simply incorrect. Taking Burst S1 as an example, each of the arcs flowed one into the other with each arc being necessary to progress the story forward. The district tournament flowing naturally into the regionals because of Valt's loss to Shu. The arcs connected seamlessly. All the while they progressed character forward. Daigo for example had much of his character work done during the regionals. They progressed plot and character forward. Something DB failed to do intially.

(Dec. 08, 2021  3:29 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Dec. 08, 2021  3:17 AM)Admiral W Wrote: Your missing some important details. As mentioned before the anime and the manga tell largely different stories. There are some major beats shared between but they tell their own stories. The pace of the anime isn't reliant on the pace of the manga for the simple reason that the stories they weave are different. The reduced runtime doesn't really matter because we've seen Rise do very well with plot and character progression with this reduced runtime. The manga provides certain story touchstones but they are for the most part different, there are some things shared between them but they tell very different narratives. 

Even with it's different story, the anime has told stories with arcs that flow naturally one into the next so the idea that the anime can't do that and only the manga can is simply incorrect. Taking Burst S1 as an example, each of the arcs flowed one into the other with each arc being necessary to progress the story forward. The district tournament flowing naturally into the regionals because of Valt's loss to Shu. The arcs connected seamlessly. All the while they progressed character forward. Daigo for example had much of his character work done during the regionals. They progressed plot and character forward. Something DB failed to do intially.

I understand that completly and yes I agree the anime does not follow the manga not entirely but in the main phases of things it mainly does as Most of the events from the Manga translates to the anime(besides sparking to my knowledge) as overall the same battles and events happen just with different variations. but because the anime has more time they have to stretch out and add certain events to fill up time that still reach the same outcome and conclusion as the manga. As again bell with the gears, vs the legends, and against rashad. The same events from both sources still happened but just done differently. And because the DB anime has more time on their hand they added extra events. And like you said even with the time they dont do it correctly at times. So again i agree that the anime doesn't follow the manga completely but the main reason for why the anime adds more is because the Anime has more time. Less time=Less things more time=more things. Why the anime has certain events that don’t relate to the manga is because it has more time. But yea sparking manga is pretty different compared to anime though
Edit:like the 3 on 3 it doesn't happen in the manga but does in the anime why? More time to do more things

(Dec. 08, 2021  3:37 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Dec. 08, 2021  3:29 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: I understand that completly and yes I agree the anime does not follow the manga not entirely but in the main phases of things it mainly does as Most of the events from the Manga translates to the anime(besides sparking to my knowledge) as overall the same battles and events happen just with different variations. but because the anime has more time they have to stretch out and add certain events to fill up time that still reach the same outcome and conclusion as the manga. As again bell with the gears, vs the legends, and against rashad. The same events from both sources still happened but just done differently. And because the DB anime has more time on their hand they added extra events. And like you said even with the time they dont do it correctly at times. So again i agree that the anime doesn't follow the manga completely but the main reason for why the anime adds more is because the Anime has more time. Less time=Less things more time=more things. Why the anime has certain events that don’t relate to the manga is because it has more time. But yea sparking manga is pretty different compared to anime though
Edit:like the 3 on 3 it doesn't happen in the manga but does in the anime why? More time to do more things

It's not in dispute that the anime and the manga tell different stories and that their are more events in the anime vs the manga. They share some major plot events. The point is it doesn't matter. The anime can still tell well paced stories even though it's not a direct adaptation, and DB failed to do that. That flaw has nothing to do with the manga really because prior seasons have done well with the pacing of their stories regardless of being based on the manga. I've already mentioned other examples of exactly that.

(Dec. 08, 2021  3:42 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Dec. 08, 2021  3:37 AM)Admiral W Wrote: It's not in dispute that the anime and the manga tell different stories and that their are more events in the anime vs the manga. They share some major plot events. The point is it doesn't matter. The anime can still tell well paced stories even though it's not a direct adaptation, and DB failed to do that. That flaw has nothing to do with the manga really because prior seasons have done well with the pacing of their stories regardless of being based on the manga. I've already mentioned other examples of exactly that.

Oh no i agree with that.All I was saying is sometimes the development comes from the manga itself mostly and that with extra time you add more events and it’s kind of hard to keep up with development  which is why it changes because you have to add your own events on top of development of the characters that the manga doesn’t reach. But no like you said and what i said before as well The anime doesn’t do justice system of the characterization

(Dec. 08, 2021  3:45 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Dec. 08, 2021  3:42 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: Oh no i agree with that.All I was saying is sometimes the development comes from the manga itself mostly and that with extra time you add more events and it’s kind of hard to keep up with development  which is why it changes because you have to add your own events on top of development of the characters that the manga doesn’t reach. But no like you said and what i said before as well The anime doesn’t do justice system of the characterization

That's not really an excuse though. It a flaw in the writing of the season. They're fully capable of telling well paced stories coupled with good character progression. They did it very well in season 1, 2, & 4. The manga doesn't prevent that in the slightest.

(Dec. 08, 2021  2:35 AM)SpeedySuomi Wrote:

(Dec. 08, 2021  2:29 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: Yes it does. It doesn't follow it exactly no. But the main events and story it does follow pretty much its usually the same events but just different outcomes and variations since the anime has 1 episode a week compared to the manga which is 1 chapter a month. For example how did bell get the gears in the manga? Battling the legends and how did he do it in the anime? The same way just with slight variations here and there. Another example is how Valt did the same battles in the anime but just with single layer valkyrie instead if victory

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Yes i understand that they are trying to build it up a different way yes but one of the main reasons is due to the anime moving faster than the manga. They over all have the same main events but take different ways to get there. The manga moves at a slower pace compared to the anime which is 1 episode every week compared to 1 chapter a month

There's more characterization in the manga, but I can kinda see your point.

(Dec. 08, 2021  4:19 AM)God Dragruler Wrote: Run time for anime is important depending on the anime for burst the Run time helps it strech out for advertizing the beys showing then completely an sometimes to expend on certain things which failed more the succed . Anime serves to expend when necessary or to stall for a manga if the manga is a long running manga (examples like Bleach or naruto who has anime fillers specially naruto until the manga is back ahead
) , Look at the Sparking they completely went their own  and is mixed bag for almost anyone.

(Dec. 08, 2021  5:30 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Dec. 08, 2021  4:19 AM)God Dragruler Wrote: Run time for anime is important depending on the anime for burst the Run time helps it strech out for advertizing the beys showing then completely an sometimes to expend on certain things which failed more the succed . Anime serves to expend when necessary or to stall for a manga if the manga is a long running manga (examples like Bleach or naruto who has anime fillers specially naruto until the manga is back ahead
) , Look at the Sparking they completely went their own  and is mixed bag for almost anyone.

Runtime is important to a degree but a shorter runtime like we've had since Rise doesn't prevent the season from being both well paced and well characterized. We see a great example of this in Rise. That season has an unfairly bad reputation among some fans. The season is actually very good. Especially with how it explorers theme and develops both plot and character.

(Dec. 07, 2021  1:23 PM)g2_ Wrote: I think Burst needs to end, it had a great run. There's really not much more they can do now.

(Dec. 10, 2021  10:01 AM)Jhilixie Wrote: That Shu scene though... I never smiled this wide while watching Beyblade Burst