(Oct. 15, 2020  1:11 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Oct. 15, 2020  12:36 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Is Shu really a antagonist in god? He was controlled by Spriggan and it all happened due to Ashtem, so I would say that Ashtem is the main villai in that story

I guess he was, but it wasn't really his fault. he had guilt from losing against Lui 2 times and Spryzen breaking, he became familiar with the Red Bulls and Ashtem, then Ashtem manipulated him into becoming a Snake Pit blader.

(Oct. 15, 2020  12:51 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Oct. 15, 2020  12:48 AM)God Dragruler Wrote: well by story yea shu he did voluntary choose to go with ashtem because he felt like he was weak yea he got controlled by spriggan at least partially since shu showed a face of guilt when a face valt in the final  shu still choose his actions we wasn't force was he manipulated yea, ashtem roll was like doji s1 planning but the ryuga and shu we're the actual ones doing the actions remember antagonist Doesn't mean your really evil but the opposing force to the main cast whether it's the good, bad or neutral way if it's in direct conflict to the main their main antagonist so he still qualified as main antagonist.

Take Kyle Ren for example, he was manipulated into choosing the dark side, so was Shu. Shu had the choice to not go with Ashtem, but did he really? What would he have done instead, give up a shot at being he best in the world? Of course not.

(Oct. 15, 2020  2:34 AM)God Dragruler Wrote:

(Oct. 15, 2020  12:51 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Take Kyle Ren for example, he was manipulated into choosing the dark side, so was Shu. Shu had the choice to not go with Ashtem, but did he really? What would he have done instead, give up a shot at being he best in the world? Of course not.

Did shu have a choice that depends on ones perspective. But since we're talking about it i'll give my personal take on it now lets start with the reason shu seeks strenght which is For valt as we all know the reason why shu started beyblading was cause of valt the both where enjoying it and valt Who is the good playful character he is wanted shu And him to fight at the grandes stage of all to battle each other till the can't no more to have fun. This where shu started his journey to become the best the strongest to assure that he would be on the throne of #1 And eventually wait For valt to get to him And completed his promise. Now here come the tragic part called lui Who in a direct confrontation twice lost with him almost winning the second time. Which on the process he didnt realize that he had push Spriggan to much until he saw that the crack on Spriggan was on him not only shu failed valt but also failed Spriggan in the same process. Now lets go to season 2 we know ashtem And the bulls went to directly to recruit shu cause his a rare prodegy And shu thought it was great For him cause now he had another chance to reedeme himself For not only valt but For Spriggan but is why did ashtem go For shu? Well Imo he went their cause he saw what no one saw inclunding shu himself that shu was already mental fragile ever since he lost that second match with lui And ashtem saw that and exploite that weakness/vulnorability that shu didnt realize he had because of that shu couldnt think of another way to get stronger while ashtem knew so shu went with asthem plan without knowing what he was putting himself into.  Shu was the perfect strong blader ashtem needed to make the ultimate blader And shu prove it that he was poweful beat lui And probaly would've beaten free if he was sent in his way. So from the beginning shu was a done deal to be red eye same For Spriggan cause remember Spriggan was never evil like his partner he was broken And lost his way which result that perfect sync/merge/posesion between shu And Spriggan but during this ashtem was starting to lose control of shu as well cause of Spriggan Who act as a defence i'm ofcourse referering to that scene where ashtum pick up Spriggan only to get burn by his dark aura Which surprise him now shu/Spriggan was acting completely own it own. But that was perfectly fine with ashtum cause it will help him either way his action was giving tremendous result beyond his imagination but that plan was destroyed by valt Who saw that his beat friend was still their And that his their to complete that promise thats why valt stop save him the talking way but instead give him that battle as valt said himself he deserve freeing him of that promise And saving him at the same time. Quite a story would'nt you agree. Man that was long lol but yea thats how I viewed the shu arc from the gloroius hero fallen from grace to rebuild himself back up moving on with his failures And learn from ir.

(Oct. 15, 2020  2:36 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote:

(Oct. 15, 2020  2:34 AM)God Dragruler Wrote: Did shu have a choice that depends on ones perspective. But since we're talking about it i'll give my personal take on it now lets start with the reason shu seeks strenght which is For valt as we all know the reason why shu started beyblading was cause of valt the both where enjoying it and valt Who is the good playful character he is wanted shu And him to fight at the grandes stage of all to battle each other till the can't no more to have fun. This where shu started his journey to become the best the strongest to assure that he would be on the throne of #1 And eventually wait For valt to get to him And completed his promise. Now here come the tragic part called lui Who in a direct confrontation twice lost with him almost winning the second time. Which on the process he didnt realize that he had push Spriggan to much until he saw that the crack on Spriggan was on him not only shu failed valt but also failed Spriggan in the same process. Now lets go to season 2 we know ashtem And the bulls went to directly to recruit shu cause his a rare prodegy And shu thought it was great For him cause now he had another chance to reedeme himself For not only valt but For Spriggan but is why did ashtem go For shu? Well Imo he went their cause he saw what no one saw inclunding shu himself that shu was already mental fragile ever since he lost that second match with lui And ashtem saw that and exploite that weakness/vulnorability that shu didnt realize he had because of that shu couldnt think of another way to get stronger while ashtem knew so shu went with asthem plan without knowing what he was putting himself into.  Shu was the perfect strong blader ashtem needed to make the ultimate blader And shu prove it that he was poweful beat lui And probaly would've beaten free if he was sent in his way. So from the beginning shu was a done deal to be red eye same For Spriggan cause remember Spriggan was never evil like his partner he was broken And lost his way which result that perfect sync/merge/posesion between shu And Spriggan but during this ashtem was starting to lose control of shu as well cause of Spriggan Who act as a defence i'm ofcourse referering to that scene where ashtum pick up Spriggan only to get burn by his dark aura Which surprise him now shu/Spriggan was acting completely own it own. But that was perfectly fine with ashtum cause it will help him either way his action was giving tremendous result beyond his imagination but that plan was destroyed by valt Who saw that his beat friend was still their And that his their to complete that promise thats why valt stop save him the talking way but instead give him that battle as valt said himself he deserve freeing him of that promise And saving him at the same time. Quite a story would'nt you agree. Man that was long lol but yea thats how I viewed the shu arc from the gloroius hero fallen from grace to rebuild himself back up moving on with his failures And learn from ir.

Wall of text, but I agree with your points.

(Oct. 15, 2020  12:36 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Is Shu really a antagonist in god? He was controlled by Spriggan and it all happened due to Ashtem, so I would say that Ashtem is the main villai in that story

(Oct. 15, 2020  3:11 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Oct. 15, 2020  12:36 AM)6 Юпитер 5 Wrote: Шу действительно противник бога? Его контролировал Спригган, и все это произошло из-за Эштема, поэтому я бы сказал, что Аштем - главный злодей в этой истории.

Его не контролировал Спригган. Первым им манипулировал Аштем, который заставил его
отказаться от своих связей и морали, чтобы он должным образом продолжил свою одержимость властью, которая не оставляла ему ничего, что можно было бы потерять или отвлечь. Даже после этого Шу не был удовлетворен, поэтому он встретил Спригган через проект Реквием, и Спригган и Шу решили объединиться, движимые общей целью. Другими словами, это была не настоящая вина Сприггана, он просто отвечал желаниям своих владельцев, которыми сам управлял Аштем.






Честно. Ты прав

(Oct. 15, 2020  9:03 PM)The Blacknight Wrote: This is a weird conversation. didnt shu admit that he was lying to himself and was not really being controlled by spriggan, he was pretending so that he could win? Honestly, both Ashtem and Spryzen asked if shu wanted their help, and shu said, yah sure, why not. Not only that, he was allowed to cut his ties and leave at any time. So how is this not shu's fault? Ashtem and spriggan were manipulating him, yeah, sure, but two things:
#1: Shu kinda abandoned spryzen, so he created a new one in the way shu wanted him to be. The Spriggan Shu has rn is not the spriggan we know and love, it's a clone made to fit shu's snake pit form better. The real spryzen, washed up on a river shore somewhere, never to be found again, might have been able to help shu get out of his depressed state. but shu decided to be like "no, im a supa emo preteen, i dont need ur help, loser" and abandon it. The new Spriggan, meaner and more twisted, decided to push shu in further. shu did connect w/ it eventually, but why would spryzen try to hurt shu? my second point, obviously. (best transition eva)
#2: Spriggan2 knew that that spryzen1 was abandoned. Spryzen2 resented shu for abandoning its former self. Spriggan2 completely hated shu. Spryzen2's demeanor, the way he was ruining shu's life, shoving him into despair, honestly, if ya put it all together, it makes total sense. but also, what makes this like 100 percent not Spriggan2's fault, is the fact that spryzen2 was scared of shu. Shu... just abandoned Spriggan1 without a thought. Spryzen2 had to win, win, win, win if he didn't want to get abandoned, to live a worthless life in the middle of nowhere, to just rust and decay for all of eternity. Which brings me to the biggest thing, the most important facet of this, is the fact that spriggan2 hated shu because he was scared of shu. this is what drives this whole story, why the plot went the way it did. Spryzen2 didn't want to have to be scared of, shu, he wanted to be shu's best friend, he wanted to chill, but noooooo, shu had to go and scare the beyblade to death. The reason valt was able to erase spriggan2's hatred was because spryzen2 was having fun. He wasn't scared of Shu then, they connected, and were having fun together, thats what spryzen wanted.

TL;DR: I pyschoanalyze a plastic spinning top.

(Oct. 14, 2020  7:57 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote:

(Oct. 14, 2020  5:44 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: I think Ryuga could win even lightning l-drago as it can go out to space and have a galaxy nova move just like Gingka.

OK. Legendary Blader Kyoya vrs King ?
King vrs Gingka
Aguma and king and titi and Yuki  vrs Ryuga and GIngka?

(Oct. 16, 2020  10:28 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote:

(Oct. 14, 2020  7:57 PM)Ryuga\s Son Wrote: OK. Legendary Blader Kyoya vrs King ?
King vrs Gingka
Aguma and king and titi and Yuki  vrs Ryuga and GIngka?

1. Either
2. Gingka
3. Hard to tell, but if Gingka took on King amd Ryuga on the rest then Gingka would defeat King and Ryuga would steal away the powers of Aguma, Tithi and Yuki

Dynamis vs Tithi?

(Oct. 17, 2020  12:20 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Oct. 16, 2020  10:28 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: 1. Either
2. Gingka
3. Hard to tell, but if Gingka took on King amd Ryuga on the rest then Gingka would defeat King and Ryuga would steal away the powers of Aguma, Tithi and Yuki

Dynamis vs Tithi?

Dynamis would win in my opinion. I always saw Dynamis as a sort of mystical being while I saw tithi as some fortunate kid.

(Oct. 17, 2020  12:34 AM)XSabxManiacX Wrote: Agreed. I just feel like Dynamis would have some sort of upper hand or a better chance to win compared to Tithi

(Oct. 17, 2020  12:37 AM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote:

(Oct. 17, 2020  12:34 AM)XSabxManiacX Wrote: Agreed. I just feel like Dynamis would have some sort of upper hand or a better chance to win compared to Tithi

Imo, Tithi would be the stronger one due to his intuition and such.

(Oct. 17, 2020  4:21 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote:

(Oct. 17, 2020  12:37 AM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: Imo, Tithi would be the stronger one due to his intuition and such.

But Tithi wouldn't win against Ryuga as Ryuga would just steal his powers away.

(Oct. 17, 2020  4:52 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Oct. 17, 2020  4:21 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: But Tithi wouldn't win against Ryuga as Ryuga would just steal his powers away.

Ryuga’s attack mode was his true potential, not the a absorb mode. Absorb mode isn’t as powerful as you would think and the manga is better at proving it.

(Oct. 17, 2020  4:52 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Oct. 17, 2020  4:21 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: But Tithi wouldn't win against Ryuga as Ryuga would just steal his powers away.

Ryuga’s attack mode was his true potential, not the a absorb mode. Absorb mode isn’t as powerful as you would think and the manga is better at proving it.

(Oct. 17, 2020  5:20 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote:

(Oct. 17, 2020  4:52 PM)Zeutron Wrote: Ryuga’s attack mode was his true potential, not the a absorb mode. Absorb mode isn’t as powerful as you would think and the manga is better at proving it.

Attack mode would have no effect on Death Quetzalcoatl.

(Oct. 17, 2020  5:23 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:

(Oct. 17, 2020  5:20 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: Attack mode would have no effect on Death Quetzalcoatl.

Attack mode is when L-drago’s beast is unleashed so it could happen. Gingka said that Ryuga was the strongest rival he had and he ko’d a semi-mastered Big Bang, fang, and mercury with ease

(Oct. 17, 2020  5:20 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote:

(Oct. 17, 2020  4:52 PM)Zeutron Wrote: Ryuga’s attack mode was his true potential, not the a absorb mode. Absorb mode isn’t as powerful as you would think and the manga is better at proving it.

Attack mode would have no effect on Death Quetzalcoatl.

(Oct. 17, 2020  5:25 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Oct. 17, 2020  5:23 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: Attack mode is when L-drago’s beast is unleashed so it could happen. Gingka said that Ryuga was the strongest rival he had and he ko’d a semi-mastered Big Bang, fang, and mercury with ease

The fight with big band Pegasus was actually closer than you think (although it didn’t look that way). But yeah it was the attack power.

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(Oct. 17, 2020  5:20 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote: Attack mode would have no effect on Death Quetzalcoatl.

Attack mode will work against anything other than nemesis if we are talking logically.

(Oct. 17, 2020  5:39 PM)Freedelahoya4 Wrote:

(Oct. 17, 2020  5:25 PM)Zeutron Wrote: The fight with big band Pegasus was actually closer than you think (although it didn’t look that way). But yeah it was the attack power.

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Attack mode will work against anything other than nemesis if we are talking logically.

No, L-Drago can't defeat Death Quetzalcoatl in real life.