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RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - HakaishinLDrago - Jul. 18, 2020
(Jul. 17, 2020 11:03 PM)snoc Wrote:(Jul. 17, 2020 7:42 AM)Dodgest Wrote: Can those red popput things be removed? Since I'm buying 3 of them (1 will be used for Uranus)
If not removed, at least cut off.
or Worn down as the original purpose states.
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - snoc - Jul. 18, 2020
(Jul. 18, 2020 1:41 AM)HakaishinLDrago Wrote:(Jul. 17, 2020 11:03 PM)snoc Wrote: If not removed, at least cut off.
or Worn down as the original purpose states.
If you're looking to the remove the actual gimmick of the beyblade, you aren't looking to it as intended (if there even is an "intended" way in the first place) lmao. You can just cut them off and be done with it, or go onto the chassis and remove them somehow.
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - God Dragruler - Jul. 18, 2020
I'm honestly pleasantly surprised about variant Lucifer gimmick it's not as bad as w feared it would be in fact it's fun . I'm going to enjoy this bey
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - BladerGem - Jul. 18, 2020
(Jul. 18, 2020 12:39 AM)Dodgest Wrote: I saw on IG that there is a rare black version. I even saw a gold chassis of 1A
It's fan-made, not official. Hence why it's on Instagram.
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - HakaishinLDrago - Jul. 18, 2020
So here is another image showing that the rumored wear down on 2D AND surprisingly Mobius is intended and confirmed (sorry for the blurry image):
![[Image: 8daGE0i.jpg]](https://i.imgur.com/8daGE0i.jpg)
To translate: As the Mobius driver is used for a long time, the tip of the shaft will wear and the shape will change little by little. It can be used at competitions, events, etc. as long as the circular shape around the tip of the shaft (red part in the figure below) does not disappear.
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - Zeutron - Jul. 18, 2020
(Jul. 18, 2020 2:39 AM)HakaishinLDrago Wrote: So here is another image showing that the rumored wear down on 2D AND surprisingly Mobius is intended and confirmed (sorry for the blurry image):Wow so the entire bey becomes an attack type. I guess it makes sense and variant looks like it could work for both attack or defense.
To translate: As the Mobius driver is used for a long time, the tip of the shaft will wear and the shape will change little by little. It can be used at competitions, events, etc. as long as the circular shape around the tip of the shaft (red part in the figure below) does not disappear.
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - RustyWheelz - Jul. 18, 2020
Although the idea of a thing one has wearing down is sad (like rubber attack drivers for the most part), the idea that a bey has different planned utility through it's life seems is quite interesting. Assuming these evolution stages are differently competitive, it would be interesting to have opponents guessing on how to counter the bey.
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - Zeutron - Jul. 18, 2020
(Jul. 18, 2020 4:24 AM)RustyWheelz Wrote: Although the idea of a thing one has wearing down is sad (like rubber attack drivers for the most part), the idea that a bey has different planned utility through it's life seems is quite interesting. Assuming these evolution stages are differently competitive, it would be interesting to have opponents guessing on how to counter the bey.Honestly it just seems like a lame excuse and they probably just want to play off what is likely the faster than usual wearing of the 2D and mobius parts as a “gimmick” to make us feel ok with it.
(Jul. 18, 2020 1:52 AM)snoc Wrote:The chassis appears to have four screws on it at the bottom so maybe the blades can be removed normally.(Jul. 18, 2020 1:41 AM)HakaishinLDrago Wrote: or Worn down as the original purpose states.
If you're looking to the remove the actual gimmick of the beyblade, you aren't looking to it as intended (if there even is an "intended" way in the first place) lmao. You can just cut them off and be done with it, or go onto the chassis and remove them somehow.
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - BreakerDS - Jul. 18, 2020
(Jul. 18, 2020 7:49 AM)Zeutron Wrote: Honestly it just seems like a lame excuse and they probably just want to play off what is likely the faster than usual wearing of the 2D and mobius parts as a “gimmick” to make us feel ok with it.
The chassis appears to have four screws on it at the bottom so maybe the blades can be removed normally.
It's funny how TT in the instructions lists the rubber breaking off as a "feature". Upside is, it looks like missing pieces would be tournament legal as the new contact points upon breaking are advertised in the instruction manual.
Those are four rivets at the bottom, they are extremely hard to take off.
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - Vtryuga - Jul. 18, 2020
Well looking at whatever videos that are available on youtube. The major weaknesses of the stock combo are stamina in same spin battles ( it is a beast in opposite spin battles). The mobius driver being aggressive is a big let down on this bey. The 2 D chassis's gimmick seems to work and looks like a counter to rage and zwei. Ig we need more testing in the same spin department as it looks a bit weak there. But with a better driver I feel that it is going to be a force to reckon with (again this is my opinion without tbh proper tests. I really hope this bey can be good on some combo)
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - Spirit of Order - Jul. 18, 2020
I think a combo like Lord Spriggan Vanguard Mobious might be good? This is just a guess. The Mobious driver might be able to Tornado stall in opposite spin, dodging attack combos and come to the center to spin equalize against stamina/defense hybrids.
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - Needforspeed - Jul. 18, 2020
(Jul. 18, 2020 7:49 AM)Zeutron Wrote:I hope all of those weird nonsense will not be wasted in the anime or manga as the wear gimmick(Jul. 18, 2020 4:24 AM)RustyWheelz Wrote: Although the idea of a thing one has wearing down is sad (like rubber attack drivers for the most part), the idea that a bey has different planned utility through it's life seems is quite interesting. Assuming these evolution stages are differently competitive, it would be interesting to have opponents guessing on how to counter the bey.Honestly it just seems like a lame excuse and they probably just want to play off what is likely the faster than usual wearing of the 2D and mobius parts as a “gimmick” to make us feel ok with it.
(Jul. 18, 2020 1:52 AM)snoc Wrote: If you're looking to the remove the actual gimmick of the beyblade, you aren't looking to it as intended (if there even is an "intended" way in the first place) lmao. You can just cut them off and be done with it, or go onto the chassis and remove them somehow.The chassis appears to have four screws on it at the bottom so maybe the blades can be removed normally.
I have to be real here but sparking seems to have a streak of great release
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - bblader/90 - Jul. 18, 2020
Wow, 2D is fantastic at spin stealing! At least from what i've seen on yt. Against Rage Longinus it starts to move from nothing as soon as it comes in contact with Rage. That makes me wonder how fast those rubber barrier parts will wear down, it's very soft apparently. But that gimmick works better when Variant Lucifer gets soft launched, as the rubber wings won't come out. I also think about how useful this would be, i mean it's like Mirage Fafnir. Only useful against opposite spin beys. At least until barrier wears down completely, i don't know how it will perform then.
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - Spirit of Order - Jul. 18, 2020
It did seem to struggle against Brave Valkyrie in Leo Burst's video.
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - bblader/90 - Jul. 18, 2020
(Jul. 18, 2020 12:46 PM)Spirit of Order Wrote: It did seem to struggle against Brave Valkyrie in Leo Burst's video.
Hi! Yeah, that's because of the gimmick and Brave's spin direction. When the wings are open, they create massive recoil and scrape risk. Like Gaia Dragoon. I wrote in a previous post that, in my opinion, the best use 2D could have is being a right spin Mirage Fafnir. Soft launches and act like a defense/stamina type, at least until Mobius and 2D are not worn enough to think about a better use for them.
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - Vtryuga - Jul. 18, 2020
Mobius is a letdown. i feel if we have a stamina driver like bearing it will perform tons better as mobius is to agggressive to have decent stamina
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - Spirit of Order - Jul. 18, 2020
(Jul. 18, 2020 12:59 PM)Vtryuga Wrote: Mobius is a letdown. i feel if we have a stamina driver like bearing it will perform tons better as mobius is to agggressive to have decent stamina
It might be less aggressive as it wears down. Also it has good LAD it seems, so it might be a safe choice in opposite spin.
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - Ali Baba - Jul. 18, 2020
I Should buy It? i'm into buy this starter or 2 SK launchers, alongside with 171, so, variant Lucifer is good?
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - Needforspeed - Jul. 18, 2020
(Jul. 18, 2020 3:14 PM)Ali Baba Wrote: I Should buy It? i'm into buy this starter or 2 SK launchers, alongside with 171, so, variant Lucifer is good?I can only assume so maybe yes because many ppl seems to like this bey because it is fun and really good at spin equalizing and the launcher seems to be good too
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - LOL-y Rancher - Jul. 18, 2020
Whether it's great, good, mediocre or total garbage, I'll still buy it for the great launcher and for the novelty of the bey.
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - Needforspeed - Jul. 18, 2020
Rare chassis ver https://youtu.be/ew56G_I-3KI he got 2 out of 2 what a luck it actually looks really good on it
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - Ali Baba - Jul. 18, 2020
Variant ring has metal?
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - BeyCrafter - Jul. 18, 2020
(Jul. 18, 2020 4:06 PM)Ali Baba Wrote: Variant ring has metal?
No. The Lucifer Chip has metal.
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - Kei - Jul. 18, 2020
Comparison of Mobius and Bearing.
Amazingly, Mobius seems it may be better for opposite spin than Bearing. Not too surprising though given that it is flatter. And in same spin it's worse than Bearing. A nice trade off, I think.
RE: B-169 Starter Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D - g2_ - Jul. 18, 2020
(Jul. 18, 2020 7:00 PM)Kei Wrote:I wonder if it has better knockout resistance.
Comparison of Mobius and Bearing.
Amazingly, Mobius seems it may be better for opposite spin than Bearing. Not too surprising though given that it is flatter. And in same spin it's worse than Bearing. A nice trade off, I think.