World Beyblade Organization
Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Printable Version

+- World Beyblade Organization (https://worldbeyblade.org)
+-- Forum: Beyblade Discussion (https://worldbeyblade.org/Forum-Beyblade-Discussion)
+--- Forum: Beyblade Anime and Manga (https://worldbeyblade.org/Forum-Beyblade-Anime-and-Manga)
+--- Thread: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts (/Thread-Random-Beyblade-Anime-and-Manga-Thoughts--85226)

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 569 570 571 572 573 574 575 576 577 578 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 599 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 611 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620 621 622 623 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639 640 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 657 658 659 660 661 662 663 664 665 666 667 668 669 670 671 672 673 674 675 676 677 678 679 680 681 682 683 684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 699 700 701 702 703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 743 744 745 746 747 748 749 750 751 752 753 754 755 756 757 758 759 760 761 762 763 764 765 766 767 768 769 770 771 772 773 774 775 776 777 778 779 780 781 782 783 784 785 786 787 788 789 790 791 792 793 794 795 796 797 798 799 800 801 802 803 804 805 806 807 808 809 810 811 812 813 814 815 816 817 818 819 820 821 822 823 824 825 826 827 828 829 830 831 832 833 834 835 836 837 838 839 840 841 842 843 844 845 846 847 848 849 850 851 852 853 854 855 856 857 858 859 860 861 862 863 864 865 866 867 868 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 879 880 881 882 883 884 885 886 887 888 889 890 891 892 893 894 895 896 897 898 899 900 901 902 903 904 905 906 907 908 909 910 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 946 947 948 949 950 951 952 953 954 955 956 957 958 959 960 961 962 963 964 965 966 967 968 969 970 971 972 973 974 975 976 977 978 979 980 981 982 983 984 985 986 987 988 989 990 991 992 993 994 995 996 997 998 999 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1008 1009 1010 1011 1012 1013 1014 1015 1016 1017 1018 1019 1020 1021 1022 1023 1024 1025 1026 1027 1028 1029 1030 1031 1032 1033 1034 1035 1036 1037 1038 1039 1040 1041 1042 1043 1044 1045 1046 1047 1048 1049 1050

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - snoc - Jul. 29, 2020

(Jul. 29, 2020  2:30 AM)Admiral W Wrote:
(Jul. 29, 2020  2:19 AM)snoc Wrote: It doesn't equal blading ability. He just used his smarts to create a very powerful bey and used his smarts to use it to its full potential, making him be very strong. He can create various strategies and launch angles to make his bey go at different trajectories. We've seen it happen before.

Yeah, its a great opening

But we didn't see him do those things. We saw him create his bey using math and trying to predict the outcome of a battle, but that was it. If your saying his smarts made him strong than that basically the same as saying his prowess in math gave him blading ability. It's still unreasonable for him to be so strong based solely on his knowledge of math. We've seen other really smart bladers but that intelligence didn't make them ridiculously strong. Naoki for example.

We do see him calculate all that stuff as i said. We don't need to see him doing it step by step for proof, its already implied he's doing those things as his void space is just him thinking in his head. And as I said his smarts don't give him all his blading ability, it just helps him draw out his beys potential. The other half of the blading coin is the actual bey itself, which we do see genesis as a large part of Gwyn's strength as well. Gwyn literally called out to Genesis to help him barely win a battle when his equations were wrong. You're misunderstanding what I'm saying.

edit: Also has JoMario pointed out he has a unique resonance with his bey but still has one, shown by superior turbo

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - JoMario67 - Jul. 29, 2020

(Jul. 29, 2020  2:30 AM)Admiral W Wrote:
(Jul. 29, 2020  2:19 AM)snoc Wrote: It doesn't equal blading ability. He just used his smarts to create a very powerful bey and used his smarts to use it to its full potential, making him be very strong. He can create various strategies and launch angles to make his bey go at different trajectories. We've seen it happen before.

Yeah, its a great opening

But we didn't see him do those things. We saw him create his bey using math and trying to predict the outcome of a battle, but that was it. If your saying his smarts made him strong than that basically the same as saying his prowess in math gave him blading ability. It's still unreasonable for him to be so strong based solely on his knowledge of math. We've seen other really smart bladers but that intelligence didn't make them ridiculously strong. Naoki for example.

I see Gwyn as a strong blader not just because of his math skills but also because he resonates with Genesis. He is shown multiple times talking with Genesis, and talking to the beys avatar is usually a sign of great resonance which might also explain his Superior Turbo. He has a unique resonance with his bey, and along with being very good at math makes him a strong blader. Not the strongest, but still pretty strong

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Admiral W - Jul. 29, 2020

(Jul. 29, 2020  2:33 AM)snoc Wrote:
(Jul. 29, 2020  2:30 AM)Admiral W Wrote: But we didn't see him do those things. We saw him create his bey using math and trying to predict the outcome of a battle, but that was it. If your saying his smarts made him strong than that basically the same as saying his prowess in math gave him blading ability. It's still unreasonable for him to be so strong based solely on his knowledge of math. We've seen other really smart bladers but that intelligence didn't make them ridiculously strong. Naoki for example.

We do see him calculate all that stuff as i said. We don't need to see him doing it step by step for proof, its already implied he's doing those things as his void space is just him thinking in his head. And as I said his smarts don't give him all his blading ability, it just helps him draw out his beys potential. The other half of the blading coin is the actual bey itself, which we do see genesis as a large part of Gwyn's strength as well. Gwyn literally called out to Genesis to help him barely win a battle when his equations were wrong. You're misunderstanding what I'm saying.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding. When he's in the void, we've seen him talking to Genesis or making predictions. I don't remember him saying that he was calculating a trajectory or distance. We can assume he's doing that, but then that would be a theory not fact. With someone like Ren-Wu see him estimating the distance, we don't have to speculate because we see him doing it.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - snoc - Jul. 29, 2020

(Jul. 29, 2020  2:38 AM)Admiral W Wrote:
(Jul. 29, 2020  2:33 AM)snoc Wrote: We do see him calculate all that stuff as i said. We don't need to see him doing it step by step for proof, its already implied he's doing those things as his void space is just him thinking in his head. And as I said his smarts don't give him all his blading ability, it just helps him draw out his beys potential. The other half of the blading coin is the actual bey itself, which we do see genesis as a large part of Gwyn's strength as well. Gwyn literally called out to Genesis to help him barely win a battle when his equations were wrong. You're misunderstanding what I'm saying.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding. When he's in the void, we've seen him talking to Genesis or making predictions. I don't remember him saying that he was calculating a trajectory or distance. We can assume he's doing that, but then that would be a theory not fact. With someone like Ren-Wu see him estimating the distance, we don't have to speculate because we see him doing it.

Its not just a theory, its implied and shown. He's talking to Genesis yes, but you can can also see all the equations gwyn has made in the space with him and hes looking at them, hes calculating various stuff to see who will win as well as just trusting genesis to come out on top.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Admiral W - Jul. 29, 2020

(Jul. 29, 2020  2:40 AM)snoc Wrote:
(Jul. 29, 2020  2:38 AM)Admiral W Wrote: Perhaps I am misunderstanding. When he's in the void, we've seen him talking to Genesis or making predictions. I don't remember him saying that he was calculating a trajectory or distance. We can assume he's doing that, but then that would be a theory not fact. With someone like Ren-Wu see him estimating the distance, we don't have to speculate because we see him doing it.

Its not just a theory, its implied and shown. He's talking to Genesis yes, but you can can also see all the equations gwyn has made in the space with him and hes looking at them, hes calculating various stuff to see who will win as well as just trusting genesis to come out on top.

I remember him making predictions in the void, but I'm talking about his estimating distances, or trajectories for his launch. Is there any indication he's doing that? Because those numbers could be for all kinds of things.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - snoc - Jul. 29, 2020

(Jul. 29, 2020  2:44 AM)Admiral W Wrote:
(Jul. 29, 2020  2:40 AM)snoc Wrote: Its not just a theory, its implied and shown. He's talking to Genesis yes, but you can can also see all the equations gwyn has made in the space with him and hes looking at them, hes calculating various stuff to see who will win as well as just trusting genesis to come out on top.

I remember him making predictions in the void, but I'm talking about his estimating distances, or trajectories for his launch. Is there any indication he's doing that? Because those numbers could be for all kinds of things.

Yeah, hes calculating it among various other things, its implied. It doesn't specifically show he is calculating these things and how he's calculating these things but its implied he's calculating everyone necessary to make a true predictions, which are right 99% of the time (in the manga they're actually always right). And obviously if you really want you proof about everything he's calculating you could always just translate every single calculation,attempt to understand it, and relay it to what he's trying to discover with the calculation but no ones insane enough to that......I think anyways. 

Here's a short version: Its shown that he's calculating everything with Genesis to make a predictions. It obviously doesn't have to tell us what he's doing and go through and explain each thing he's doing, but its just implied he's calculating everything.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Admiral W - Jul. 29, 2020

From what I remember, when he's in that void he's either talking with Genesis or making a prediction. Is there an instance when he's particularly estimating a distance or trajectory for his launch?
In season 2 of burst we see clearly what Ren-Wu is doing. We don't have to guess. With this, were having to assume that's what he's doing.


RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - snoc - Jul. 29, 2020

(Jul. 29, 2020  2:49 AM)Admiral W Wrote: From what I remember, when he's in that void he's either talking with Genesis or making a prediction. Is there an instance when he's particularly estimating a distance or trajectory for his launch?
In season 2 of burst we see clearly what Ren-Wu is doing. We don't have to guess. With this, were having to assume that's what he's doing.

Yeah we see him calculating trajectories, cause thats all Ren Wu is doing. Gwyn is calculating everything however he's multi tasking by talking to genesis at the same time, but its still shown he's calculating visualized by the various equations in the space. Gwyn talks with Genesis while calculating which he does in seconds, finishes off the conversation than makes a prediction. It just focuses more on Gwyn floating and talking cause would you rather see Gwyn looking at, studying, and developing a super long college level equation you cant even read or see him floating in a cool space and talking too his bey, obviously you wanna see the later. That's why they focus more on that rather than show every single calculation he's doing. Ren Wu visualizes the beys, Gwyn visualizes the equations.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Needforspeed - Jul. 29, 2020

(Jul. 29, 2020  2:49 AM)Admiral W Wrote: From what I remember, when he's in that void he's either talking with Genesis or making a prediction. Is there an instance when he's particularly estimating a distance or trajectory for his launch?
In season 2 of burst we see clearly what Ren-Wu is doing. We don't have to guess. With this, were having to assume that's what he's 
renwu did it in the manga tho

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - snoc - Jul. 29, 2020

(Jul. 29, 2020  3:05 AM)Needforspeed Wrote:
(Jul. 29, 2020  2:49 AM)Admiral W Wrote: From what I remember, when he's in that void he's either talking with Genesis or making a prediction. Is there an instance when he's particularly estimating a distance or trajectory for his launch?
In season 2 of burst we see clearly what Ren-Wu is doing. We don't have to guess. With this, were having to assume that's what he's 
renwu did it in the manga tho

Yeah cause as I said Ren Wu is visualizing beys. Gwyn is visualizing equations and doing them, while talking to Genesis. They're gonna focus more on him talking with Genesis cause its more interesting than see a kid doing random insane equations in a matter of like 2 seconds.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Admiral W - Jul. 29, 2020

(Jul. 29, 2020  3:03 AM)snoc Wrote:
(Jul. 29, 2020  2:49 AM)Admiral W Wrote: From what I remember, when he's in that void he's either talking with Genesis or making a prediction. Is there an instance when he's particularly estimating a distance or trajectory for his launch?
In season 2 of burst we see clearly what Ren-Wu is doing. We don't have to guess. With this, were having to assume that's what he's doing.

Yeah we see him calculating trajectories, cause thats all Ren Wu is doing. Gwyn is calculating everything however he's multi tasking by talking to genesis at the same time, but its still shown he's calculating visualized by the various equations in the space. Gwyn talks with Genesis while calculating which he does in seconds, finishes off the conversation than makes a prediction. It just focuses more on Gwyn floating and talking cause would you rather see Gwyn looking at, studying, and developing a super long college level equation you cant even read or see him floating in a cool space and talking too his bey, obviously you wanna see the later. That's why they focus more on that rather than show every single calculation he's doing. Ren Wu visualizes the beys, Gwyn visualizes the equations.

But that's partly my point; the trajectory part is not clear. We're assuming that part of what's he's doing. Assumption=theory. The only thing that's clear is that he talks to Genesis and makes predictions. Without clarify than it's an assumption. Either way, I don't think the math justifies his strength. Taking out both Delta and Drum, both very powerful bladers after only a few days of blading experience under his belt. Doesn't seem reasonable to me.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - snoc - Jul. 29, 2020

(Jul. 29, 2020  3:08 AM)Admiral W Wrote:
(Jul. 29, 2020  3:03 AM)snoc Wrote: Yeah we see him calculating trajectories, cause thats all Ren Wu is doing. Gwyn is calculating everything however he's multi tasking by talking to genesis at the same time, but its still shown he's calculating visualized by the various equations in the space. Gwyn talks with Genesis while calculating which he does in seconds, finishes off the conversation than makes a prediction. It just focuses more on Gwyn floating and talking cause would you rather see Gwyn looking at, studying, and developing a super long college level equation you cant even read or see him floating in a cool space and talking too his bey, obviously you wanna see the later. That's why they focus more on that rather than show every single calculation he's doing. Ren Wu visualizes the beys, Gwyn visualizes the equations.

But that's partly my point; the trajectory part is not clear. We're assuming that part of what's he's doing. Assumption=theory. Either way, I don't think the math justifies his strength. Taking out both Delta and Drum, both very powerful bladers after only a few days of blading experience under his belt. Doesn't seem reasonable to me.

Yes its not clear, but its already shown he's doing all those things. Its not specifically zoning in on each one, but hes calculating the stuff. And as I said previously math doesn't make him strong, it just helps him bring out his bey to his full potential. Genesis is also a big part of Gwyn's strength and they have a very strong bond, shown by Superior Turbo.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Admiral W - Jul. 29, 2020

(Jul. 29, 2020  3:09 AM)snoc Wrote:
(Jul. 29, 2020  3:08 AM)Admiral W Wrote: But that's partly my point; the trajectory part is not clear. We're assuming that part of what's he's doing. Assumption=theory. Either way, I don't think the math justifies his strength. Taking out both Delta and Drum, both very powerful bladers after only a few days of blading experience under his belt. Doesn't seem reasonable to me.

Yes its not clear, but its already shown he's doing all those things. Its not specifically zoning in on each one, but hes calculating the stuff. And as I said previously math doesn't make him strong, it just helps him bring out his bey to his full potential. Genesis is also a big part of Gwyn's strength and they have a very strong bond, shown by Superior Turbo.

Since it wasn't shown and no clarity was given to it, I don't put stock in him doing it. Specifically for his own launching techniques. If we'd seen him doing it for his own launching technique, then we would have seen the math actually doing something for his blading.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Valtryek Aoi - Jul. 29, 2020

(Jul. 29, 2020  3:14 AM)Admiral W Wrote:
(Jul. 29, 2020  3:09 AM)snoc Wrote: Yes its not clear, but its already shown he's doing all those things. Its not specifically zoning in on each one, but hes calculating the stuff. And as I said previously math doesn't make him strong, it just helps him bring out his bey to his full potential. Genesis is also a big part of Gwyn's strength and they have a very strong bond, shown by Superior Turbo.

Since it wasn't shown and no clarity was given to it, I don't put stock in him doing it. Specifically for his own launching techniques. If we'd seen him doing it for his own launching technique, then we would have seen the math actually doing something for his blading.

It was kinda weird for him to become so skilled so fast. Math doesn't equal skill at all. Just a hecka load of talent to pull off a good launch once and do it consistently. For a newbie to pull out Superior Turbo right off the bat kinda seems like some plot armor to me. Granted they probably sped his growth up due to shortened time, but man, that was too fast.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - 6Jupiter5 - Jul. 29, 2020

How does Kenta get flash sagitarrio in the manga

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Admiral W - Jul. 29, 2020

(Jul. 29, 2020  4:26 AM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote:
(Jul. 29, 2020  3:14 AM)Admiral W Wrote: Since it wasn't shown and no clarity was given to it, I don't put stock in him doing it. Specifically for his own launching techniques. If we'd seen him doing it for his own launching technique, then we would have seen the math actually doing something for his blading.

It was kinda weird for him to become so skilled so fast. Math doesn't equal skill at all. Just a hecka load of talent to pull off a good launch once and do it consistently. For a newbie to pull out Superior Turbo right off the bat kinda seems like some plot armor to me. Granted they probably sped his growth up due to shortened time, but man, that was too fast.

I absolutely agree. I think your the only person who gets it lol.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Zeutron - Jul. 29, 2020

(Jul. 29, 2020  4:34 AM)Admiral W Wrote:
(Jul. 29, 2020  4:26 AM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: It was kinda weird for him to become so skilled so fast. Math doesn't equal skill at all. Just a hecka load of talent to pull off a good launch once and do it consistently. For a newbie to pull out Superior Turbo right off the bat kinda seems like some plot armor to me. Granted they probably sped his growth up due to shortened time, but man, that was too fast.

I absolutely agree. I think your the only person who gets it lol.
I mean, surely math had to be one of the causes of his sudden power boost, why else would he gain strength so fast? Yes, plot armour is one reason but I wouldn’t say math doesn’t equal skill in the fictional beyblade universe? The writers/Morita obviously involved the concept of math for a reason. Gwynn’s whole goal was to effectively prove his calculations were perfect and superior to friendship, emotion and real bonding and while his use of math definitely made him strong, it was proven that his calculations didn’t truly make his blading perfect as he predicted and at the end of the day friendship prevailed. As for superior turbo, surely it has some meaning/cause since gold turbo and dark turbo do.

Gold turbo: occurs when the blader and bey have a super strong bond and want to battle as one.

Dark Turbo: The same as gold turbo but it instead is fuelled by an evil bond made up of negative emotions/desires.

Superior turbo (my interpretation) an artificial bond 
created by (seemingly) math and a bey/blader who work towards a common goal but are not particularly friends/close partners (implied from Gwynns interactions with genesis).
 
Apart from math we also have to consider the fact that Gwynn based his beys design on both Prime apocalypse and Imperial Dragon, two beys that were extremely powerful at that time.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Needforspeed - Jul. 29, 2020

I still find the gold/dark/superior/rainbow turbo thing dumb because they explain it only once with no specification which leads to many debates

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - God Dragruler - Jul. 29, 2020

(Jul. 29, 2020  5:23 AM)Needforspeed Wrote: I still find the gold/dark/superior/rainbow turbo thing dumb because they explain it only once with no specification which leads to many debates

To me Gold/dark/superior And rainbow turbo are Just some fancy or cooler way to say resonance to be honest. I dont really see the difference the fuction is basically the same. Just like that flare thing lane have might end up being the same

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - 6Jupiter5 - Jul. 29, 2020

(Jul. 29, 2020  4:26 AM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote:
(Jul. 29, 2020  3:14 AM)Admiral W Wrote: Since it wasn't shown and no clarity was given to it, I don't put stock in him doing it. Specifically for his own launching techniques. If we'd seen him doing it for his own launching technique, then we would have seen the math actually doing something for his blading.

It was kinda weird for him to become so skilled so fast. Math doesn't equal skill at all. Just a hecka load of talent to pull off a good launch once and do it consistently. For a newbie to pull out Superior Turbo right off the bat kinda seems like some plot armor to me. Granted they probably sped his growth up due to shortened time, but man, that was too fast.

I think they had Gwyn so naturally talented and skilled to create a theme that hard work (Drum) can beat natural talent (Gwyn)

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Needforspeed - Jul. 29, 2020

(Jul. 29, 2020  6:36 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote:
(Jul. 29, 2020  4:26 AM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: It was kinda weird for him to become so skilled so fast. Math doesn't equal skill at all. Just a hecka load of talent to pull off a good launch once and do it consistently. For a newbie to pull out Superior Turbo right off the bat kinda seems like some plot armor to me. Granted they probably sped his growth up due to shortened time, but man, that was too fast.

I think they had Gwyn so naturally talented and skilled to create a theme that hard work (Drum) can beat natural talent (Gwyn)
That is basically the antagonist and protagonists dynamic

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Zeutron - Jul. 29, 2020

(Jul. 29, 2020  6:44 AM)Needforspeed Wrote:
(Jul. 29, 2020  6:36 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: I think they had Gwyn so naturally talented and skilled to create a theme that hard work (Drum) can beat natural talent (Gwyn)
That is basically the antagonist and protagonists dynamic
I think 6Jupiter5 actually has a good point. I wouldn’t say they always have natural talent.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Admiral W - Jul. 29, 2020

(Jul. 29, 2020  5:05 AM)Zeutron Wrote:
(Jul. 29, 2020  4:34 AM)Admiral W Wrote: I absolutely agree. I think your the only person who gets it lol.
I mean, surely math had to be one of the causes of his sudden power boost, why else would he gain strength so fast? Yes, plot armour is one reason but I wouldn’t say math doesn’t equal skill in the fictional beyblade universe? The writers/Morita obviously involved the concept of math for a reason. Gwynn’s whole goal was to effectively prove his calculations were perfect and superior to friendship, emotion and real bonding and while his use of math definitely made him strong, it was proven that his calculations didn’t truly make his blading perfect as he predicted and at the end of the day friendship prevailed. As for superior turbo, surely it has some meaning/cause since gold turbo and dark turbo do.

Gold turbo: occurs when the blader and bey have a super strong bond and want to battle as one.

Dark Turbo: The same as gold turbo but it instead is fuelled by an evil bond made up of negative emotions/desires.

Superior turbo (my interpretation) an artificial bond 
created by (seemingly) math and a bey/blader who work towards a common goal but are not particularly friends/close partners (implied from Gwynns interactions with genesis).
 
Apart from math we also have to consider the fact that Gwynn based his beys design on both Prime apocalypse and Imperial Dragon, two beys that were extremely powerful at that time.

My gripe is that his level of power is unreasonable to me. After only a couple of days he's destroying bladers left and right all due to math?  I can't subscribe to that. It's too ridiculous.

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Vtryuga - Jul. 29, 2020

(Jul. 29, 2020  12:36 PM)Admiral W Wrote:
(Jul. 29, 2020  5:05 AM)Zeutron Wrote: I mean, surely math had to be one of the causes of his sudden power boost, why else would he gain strength so fast? Yes, plot armour is one reason but I wouldn’t say math doesn’t equal skill in the fictional beyblade universe? The writers/Morita obviously involved the concept of math for a reason. Gwynn’s whole goal was to effectively prove his calculations were perfect and superior to friendship, emotion and real bonding and while his use of math definitely made him strong, it was proven that his calculations didn’t truly make his blading perfect as he predicted and at the end of the day friendship prevailed. As for superior turbo, surely it has some meaning/cause since gold turbo and dark turbo do.

Gold turbo: occurs when the blader and bey have a super strong bond and want to battle as one.

Dark Turbo: The same as gold turbo but it instead is fuelled by an evil bond made up of negative emotions/desires.

Superior turbo (my interpretation) an artificial bond 
created by (seemingly) math and a bey/blader who work towards a common goal but are not particularly friends/close partners (implied from Gwynns interactions with genesis).
 
Apart from math we also have to consider the fact that Gwynn based his beys design on both Prime apocalypse and Imperial Dragon, two beys that were extremely powerful at that time.

My gripe is that his level of power is unreasonable to me. After only a couple of days he's destroying bladers left and right all due to math?  I can't subscribe to that. It's too ridiculous.

Well physics at least in real life can be used to improve a beys performance; so it is entirely possible that gwyn designed a bey that was strong from the physics perspective

RE: Random Beyblade Anime and Manga Thoughts - Admiral W - Jul. 29, 2020

(Jul. 29, 2020  12:39 PM)Vtryuga Wrote:
(Jul. 29, 2020  12:36 PM)Admiral W Wrote: My gripe is that his level of power is unreasonable to me. After only a couple of days he's destroying bladers left and right all due to math?  I can't subscribe to that. It's too ridiculous.

Well physics at least in real life can be used to improve a beys performance; so it is entirely possible that gwyn designed a bey that was strong from the physics perspective

I don't particularly mind that. He still shouldn't have been as strong as he was.