(Apr. 04, 2023  12:07 PM)versusENDEV Wrote: Let me start by saying..

"This is the way" (with Mando's voice)

Some may see it as the solution to BDr and balancing Burst Gen, but the most important part of this proposal is its impact on Beyblade X! Beyblade X is like a new start or a fresh beginning and I would like to see it start in the right way. The rules are the language of Beyblade and everybody should first learn a common ruleset before learning any other languages. In this way, the target audience(competitive) will not be limited to just one part of the globe.

I have said this before and I want to state it again, that "WBO should AIM to be the iPhone+/pro of WBBA's iPhone". Don't be an Android Phone that is totally different, but be different by providing more features to the base form. It is VERY weird for an organization that is carrying the name of Takara Tomy's Intellectual Property(Beyblade) but does not recognize or at least acknowledge their rules/standards. You are not required to play their way, but as a sign of respect to the creators, you should show your support by making it accessible to the community and not by completely shutting it down. WBO should be the one supporting Takara Tomy/WBBA, and not the other way around since TT is the owner of the IP. Does the WBO have TT's blessing to make changes on the Standards that they set for their IP? If not, you will have a real issue if TT decides to take action especially now that they are starting a new generation of products. IF BeybladeX becomes a hit and turns into a big thing, don't give any reason for TT to do something you won't like. You need to set things right by approving this proposal to show that you are supporting and respecting their IP, as well as exploring alternative ways of playing THEIR game. You can't just change someone else's work, use their IP's name, and then present it as your own without their consent. Better safe than sorry.

When this proposal gets approved, which I expect it to be, I assume that WBBA 5G is unlocked in Unlimited Format?

(Apr. 04, 2023  12:07 PM)versusENDEV Wrote: Let me start by saying..

"This is the way" (with Mando's voice)

Some may see it as the solution to BDr and balancing Burst Gen, but the most important part of this proposal is its impact on Beyblade X! Beyblade X is like a new start or a fresh beginning and I would like to see it start in the right way. The rules are the language of Beyblade and everybody should first learn a common ruleset before learning any other languages. In this way, the target audience(competitive) will not be limited to just one part of the globe.

I have said this before and I want to state it again, that "WBO should AIM to be the iPhone+/pro of WBBA's iPhone". Don't be an Android Phone that is totally different, but be different by providing more features to the base form. It is VERY weird for an organization that is carrying the name of Takara Tomy's Intellectual Property(Beyblade) but does not recognize or at least acknowledge their rules/standards. You are not required to play their way, but as a sign of respect to the creators, you should show your support by making it accessible to the community and not by completely shutting it down. WBO should be the one supporting Takara Tomy/WBBA, and not the other way around since TT is the owner of the IP. Does the WBO have TT's blessing to make changes on the Standards that they set for their IP? If not, you will have a real issue if TT decides to take action especially now that they are starting a new generation of products. IF BeybladeX becomes a hit and turns into a big thing, don't give any reason for TT to do something you won't like. You need to set things right by approving this proposal to show that you are supporting and respecting their IP, as well as exploring alternative ways of playing THEIR game. You can't just change someone else's work, use their IP's name, and then present it as your own without their consent. Better safe than sorry.

When this proposal gets approved, which I expect it to be, I assume that WBBA 5G is unlocked in Unlimited Format?

(Apr. 04, 2023  3:15 PM)Trsal Wrote: There is nothing stopping anyone who joins the WBO to become an organizer and only run WBBA ruleset events outside of ranking the tournament with a ranking system the WBBA wouldn't respect/recognize anyways. We have the freedom to do that and a multitude of other things all over the world under the WBO umbrella, by that alone I already believe the WBO is the iPhone 13 Pro Max Retina Display X Limited Edition to WBBA's iPhone 13. A good chunk of our rules are based on/ acknowledge what the WBBA does over in Asia (see bentguard, ways to score points, legal stadiums for ranked play, etc...) If Hasbro and TT haven't had any legal/respect problems with how the WBO has handled things for the last 10+ years (WBO has been thru 2 Beyblade gen releases I believe) I don't see why they would now.

Also aren't WBO rules played with in more continents than WBBA? Since the WBBA only runs events in Asia right now? Even when the WBBA (Hasbro) hosted events outside of Asia, they didn't use the same equipment/rules as Asia.

Would it be cool to play Beyblade X day 1 with WBBA rules? Yes, I th!nk so. Is it going to make or break us with legal if we don't do that and use our own interpretation? Nah.

(Apr. 04, 2023  12:07 PM)versusENDEV Wrote: Let me start by saying..

"This is the way" (with Mando's voice)

Some may see it as the solution to BDr and balancing Burst Gen, but the most important part of this proposal is its impact on Beyblade X! Beyblade X is like a new start or a fresh beginning and I would like to see it start in the right way. The rules are the language of Beyblade and everybody should first learn a common ruleset before learning any other languages. In this way, the target audience(competitive) will not be limited to just one part of the globe.

I have said this before and I want to state it again, that "WBO should AIM to be the iPhone+/pro of WBBA's iPhone". Don't be an Android Phone that is totally different, but be different by providing more features to the base form. It is VERY weird for an organization that is carrying the name of Takara Tomy's Intellectual Property(Beyblade) but does not recognize or at least acknowledge their rules/standards. You are not required to play their way, but as a sign of respect to the creators, you should show your support by making it accessible to the community and not by completely shutting it down. WBO should be the one supporting Takara Tomy/WBBA, and not the other way around since TT is the owner of the IP. Does the WBO have TT's blessing to make changes on the Standards that they set for their IP? If not, you will have a real issue if TT decides to take action especially now that they are starting a new generation of products. IF BeybladeX becomes a hit and turns into a big thing, don't give any reason for TT to do something you won't like. You need to set things right by approving this proposal to show that you are supporting and respecting their IP, as well as exploring alternative ways of playing THEIR game. You can't just change someone else's work, use their IP's name, and then present it as your own without their consent. Better safe than sorry.

When this proposal gets approved, which I expect it to be, I assume that WBBA 5G is unlocked in Unlimited Format?

(Apr. 04, 2023  12:07 PM)versusENDEV Wrote: Let me start by saying..

"This is the way" (with Mando's voice)

Some may see it as the solution to BDr and balancing Burst Gen, but the most important part of this proposal is its impact on Beyblade X! Beyblade X is like a new start or a fresh beginning and I would like to see it start in the right way. The rules are the language of Beyblade and everybody should first learn a common ruleset before learning any other languages. In this way, the target audience(competitive) will not be limited to just one part of the globe.

I have said this before and I want to state it again, that "WBO should AIM to be the iPhone+/pro of WBBA's iPhone". Don't be an Android Phone that is totally different, but be different by providing more features to the base form. It is VERY weird for an organization that is carrying the name of Takara Tomy's Intellectual Property(Beyblade) but does not recognize or at least acknowledge their rules/standards. You are not required to play their way, but as a sign of respect to the creators, you should show your support by making it accessible to the community and not by completely shutting it down. WBO should be the one supporting Takara Tomy/WBBA, and not the other way around since TT is the owner of the IP. Does the WBO have TT's blessing to make changes on the Standards that they set for their IP? If not, you will have a real issue if TT decides to take action especially now that they are starting a new generation of products. IF BeybladeX becomes a hit and turns into a big thing, don't give any reason for TT to do something you won't like. You need to set things right by approving this proposal to show that you are supporting and respecting their IP, as well as exploring alternative ways of playing THEIR game. You can't just change someone else's work, use their IP's name, and then present it as your own without their consent. Better safe than sorry.

When this proposal gets approved, which I expect it to be, I assume that WBBA 5G is unlocked in Unlimited Format?

(Apr. 04, 2023  3:15 PM)Trsal Wrote:

(Apr. 04, 2023  12:07 PM)versusENDEV Wrote: Let me start by saying..

"This is the way" (with Mando's voice)

Some may see it as the solution to BDr and balancing Burst Gen, but the most important part of this proposal is its impact on Beyblade X! Beyblade X is like a new start or a fresh beginning and I would like to see it start in the right way. The rules are the language of Beyblade and everybody should first learn a common ruleset before learning any other languages. In this way, the target audience(competitive) will not be limited to just one part of the globe.

I have said this before and I want to state it again, that "WBO should AIM to be the iPhone+/pro of WBBA's iPhone". Don't be an Android Phone that is totally different, but be different by providing more features to the base form. It is VERY weird for an organization that is carrying the name of Takara Tomy's Intellectual Property(Beyblade) but does not recognize or at least acknowledge their rules/standards. You are not required to play their way, but as a sign of respect to the creators, you should show your support by making it accessible to the community and not by completely shutting it down. WBO should be the one supporting Takara Tomy/WBBA, and not the other way around since TT is the owner of the IP. Does the WBO have TT's blessing to make changes on the Standards that they set for their IP? If not, you will have a real issue if TT decides to take action especially now that they are starting a new generation of products. IF BeybladeX becomes a hit and turns into a big thing, don't give any reason for TT to do something you won't like. You need to set things right by approving this proposal to show that you are supporting and respecting their IP, as well as exploring alternative ways of playing THEIR game. You can't just change someone else's work, use their IP's name, and then present it as your own without their consent. Better safe than sorry.

When this proposal gets approved, which I expect it to be, I assume that WBBA 5G is unlocked in Unlimited Format?

There is nothing stopping anyone who joins the WBO to become an organizer and only run WBBA ruleset events outside of ranking the tournament with a ranking system the WBBA wouldn't respect/recognize anyways. We have the freedom to do that and a multitude of other things all over the world under the WBO umbrella, by that alone I already believe the WBO is the iPhone 13 Pro Max Retina Display X Limited Edition to WBBA's iPhone 13. A good chunk of our rules are based on/ acknowledge what the WBBA does over in Asia (see bentguard, ways to score points, legal stadiums for ranked play, etc...) If Hasbro and TT haven't had any legal/respect problems with how the WBO has handled things for the last 10+ years (WBO has been thru 2 Beyblade gen releases I believe) I don't see why they would now.

Also aren't WBO rules played with in more continents than WBBA? Since the WBBA only runs events in Asia right now? Even when the WBBA (Hasbro) hosted events outside of Asia, they didn't use the same equipment/rules as Asia.

Would it be cool to play Beyblade X day 1 with WBBA rules? Yes, I th!nk so. Is it going to make or break us with legal if we don't do that and use our own interpretation? Nah.

(Apr. 05, 2023  6:52 AM)versusENDEV Wrote:

(Apr. 04, 2023  3:15 PM)Trsal Wrote: There is nothing stopping anyone who joins the WBO to become an organizer and only run WBBA ruleset events outside of ranking the tournament with a ranking system the WBBA wouldn't respect/recognize anyways. We have the freedom to do that and a multitude of other things all over the world under the WBO umbrella, by that alone I already believe the WBO is the iPhone 13 Pro Max Retina Display X Limited Edition to WBBA's iPhone 13. A good chunk of our rules are based on/ acknowledge what the WBBA does over in Asia (see bentguard, ways to score points, legal stadiums for ranked play, etc...) If Hasbro and TT haven't had any legal/respect problems with how the WBO has handled things for the last 10+ years (WBO has been thru 2 Beyblade gen releases I believe) I don't see why they would now.

Also aren't WBO rules played with in more continents than WBBA? Since the WBBA only runs events in Asia right now? Even when the WBBA (Hasbro) hosted events outside of Asia, they didn't use the same equipment/rules as Asia.

Would it be cool to play Beyblade X day 1 with WBBA rules? Yes, I th!nk so. Is it going to make or break us with legal if we don't do that and use our own interpretation? Nah.

- If you want WBBA to recognize WBO rankings, WBO should be the one reaching out to WBBA and not the other way around because WBBA is the OFFICIAL Organization TASKED by Takara Tomy to handle their Beyblade Tournament matters.  It is a lame excuse that anyone can become a WBO Organizer and host tournaments outside of ranked. Why become a WBO Organizer in the first place if your end goal is to host unranked tournaments? People can just do their own local tournaments which already happened/is happening.

- If you do your research, WBBA has the dominant population and countries using it.  

- WBO will only become the FULL/Max specs iPhone once this proposal gets approved. For now, it is still act as an Android phone.

- Hasbro and TT are partners. They have contractual obligations to each other. Hasbro is the only company allowed by TT to modify their product and present it as their own. They are paying TT for that rights. Everyone is fully aware of how different Hasbro Beys have become and TT is fine with that because they are legit business partners. Hasbro cannot oversee what WBO is doing because they are not obliged to since they only answer to TT.

- Reality check: Beyblade competitive scene is too small compared to other competitive games like pokemon, yugioh, moba, console/pc games, etc.
It is not big enough for TT/WBBA to even consider exerting time and effort to step in and regulate things in a global scale. But that MIGHT change when BeybladeX goes live especially now in the age of social media where anything has the potential to trend and go viral. When Burst was released, social media was still at the early stage compared to what we have today.  A lot benefited from the rise of social media and there will be even more when BeybladeX goes live. Also, the Pandemic is over and you might have noticed a growth in Beyblade again. Now is the perfect time to release a new generation that will keep their current customers, generate new wave of players, and perhaps attract big investors if they see the competitive scene as viable. IF BeybladeX becomes that BIG, which I believe everyone here wants it to be, that's the time you will expect TT to regulate their Brand. The last time I checked, B stands for BEYBLADE in WBO. They have every right to do what they want to those using the name of their Intellectual Property. They are the BOSS and no one is above them with regards to Beyblade. No one is forcing you to play WBBA or WBO rules, the main point is to do it the right way and this proposal is the solution to that. Bridging the bigger divide, not just the smaller BDr divide.

(Apr. 05, 2023  4:45 AM)Cake Wrote:

(Apr. 04, 2023  12:07 PM)versusENDEV Wrote: Let me start by saying..

"This is the way" (with Mando's voice)

Some may see it as the solution to BDr and balancing Burst Gen, but the most important part of this proposal is its impact on Beyblade X! Beyblade X is like a new start or a fresh beginning and I would like to see it start in the right way. The rules are the language of Beyblade and everybody should first learn a common ruleset before learning any other languages. In this way, the target audience(competitive) will not be limited to just one part of the globe.

I have said this before and I want to state it again, that "WBO should AIM to be the iPhone+/pro of WBBA's iPhone". Don't be an Android Phone that is totally different, but be different by providing more features to the base form. It is VERY weird for an organization that is carrying the name of Takara Tomy's Intellectual Property(Beyblade) but does not recognize or at least acknowledge their rules/standards. You are not required to play their way, but as a sign of respect to the creators, you should show your support by making it accessible to the community and not by completely shutting it down. WBO should be the one supporting Takara Tomy/WBBA, and not the other way around since TT is the owner of the IP. Does the WBO have TT's blessing to make changes on the Standards that they set for their IP? If not, you will have a real issue if TT decides to take action especially now that they are starting a new generation of products. IF BeybladeX becomes a hit and turns into a big thing, don't give any reason for TT to do something you won't like. You need to set things right by approving this proposal to show that you are supporting and respecting their IP, as well as exploring alternative ways of playing THEIR game. You can't just change someone else's work, use their IP's name, and then present it as your own without their consent. Better safe than sorry.

When this proposal gets approved, which I expect it to be, I assume that WBBA 5G is unlocked in Unlimited Format?

What TT or any other product manufacturer does has no bearing whatsoever on how their products can or should be used. They are owed some baseline level of respect as the original author of the game, but ultimately the instant you purchase a Beyblade product and it enters your hands, any obligation you or any other fan has to follow TT/Hasbro/whatever manufacturer's direction goes out the window. You purchased that particular instance of the product, it belongs to you exclusively.


TT and co. retain intellectual property rights, but that has nothing to do with how individuals use their products - if TT or another holder of the Beyblade trademark decided to chase after the WBO for using "Beyblade" in its name, it would be equally in danger regardless of what rules the organization used. TT etc. have a legitimate interest in protecting their brand through their trademark, and so while there is some merit to saying that the WBO's name is on somewhat legally shaky ground, none of that has anything to do with what rules the WBO (or, hypothetically, a renamed World Battle Tops Organization or something) operates under.

Rules and other such methodologies are not trademarks, not copyrightable, and are not generally not patentable in US or EU law. Even if they were, TT etc. have absolutely no method whatsoever to require a specific set of rules to be used with their products. Hasbro has no more authority to kick down my door and arrest me for playing Monopoly "wrong" than they do to barge in and demand that we play Beyblade in their stadiums by their rules.


The WBO (or any organization like it) has every reason to disregard the intentions of the original manufacturer anywhere they would interfere with its mission - specifically because the WBO does not have any ties or obligation to those companies. The duty of the WBO is first and foremost to its players, because it is run by fans for fans. The WBBA will do its own thing as an extension of TT's marketing scheme, run by the corporation for the corporation. The WBBA's actions and goals may often line up with the goals of a fansite like the WBO, but make no mistake - selling toys and playing with toys are not the same, and the health of one does not necessarily imply the health of the other.


The WBO has very weak reasons to follow the WBBA's lead, and fairly strong reasons to do its own thing. Fearmongering about the possibility of some kind of hostile response from on high against the continued use of unique rules that have been in operation for over a decade already is ridiculous. As an extreme example, I would like to point to Super Smash Bros. Melee, which has a thriving organized competitive scene that dwarfs that of the WBO, despite years of open hostility from the company that birthed it - and Nintendo is 50 times larger than TT and 6 times larger than TT and Hasbro combined. Not only that, but Nintendo also has much stronger legal standing to enforce its ambitions, as digital media remains in something of a IP grey area. And yet Melee, 7 years older than the WBO, continues to exist, carried entirely on the backs of dedicated fans in spite of the persistent efforts of its original maker.

The WBO will endure the whims of the businesses that make our hobby just fine, I'm certain. The outcome that is the best and healthiest for the organization is not to turn into an unofficial extension of the WBBA, but to continue to act as its own independent entity dedicated not to sales figures but to the playerbase. Wise management of our rules and organization to cultivate a great play environment is, naturally, the best way to continue to succeed as an organization dedicated to play.

(Apr. 04, 2023  3:40 PM)CrisisCrusher07 Wrote:

(Apr. 04, 2023  3:15 PM)Trsal Wrote: There is nothing stopping anyone who joins the WBO to become an organizer and only run WBBA ruleset events outside of ranking the tournament with a ranking system the WBBA wouldn't respect/recognize anyways. We have the freedom to do that and a multitude of other things all over the world under the WBO umbrella, by that alone I already believe the WBO is the iPhone 13 Pro Max Retina Display X Limited Edition to WBBA's iPhone 13. A good chunk of our rules are based on/ acknowledge what the WBBA does over in Asia (see bentguard, ways to score points, legal stadiums for ranked play, etc...) If Hasbro and TT haven't had any legal/respect problems with how the WBO has handled things for the last 10+ years (WBO has been thru 2 Beyblade gen releases I believe) I don't see why they would now.

Also aren't WBO rules played with in more continents than WBBA? Since the WBBA only runs events in Asia right now? Even when the WBBA (Hasbro) hosted events outside of Asia, they didn't use the same equipment/rules as Asia.

Would it be cool to play Beyblade X day 1 with WBBA rules? Yes, I th!nk so. Is it going to make or break us with legal if we don't do that and use our own interpretation? Nah.

I think a constant misconception is that you can’t host a tournament using the WBBAs rules and battle formats because we have no rules for it within the guide books. No where in any of them does it acknowledge that players can host WBBA tournaments. It all says “WBO”. So I think what people really just need is for the one running the WBO to come out and say that we can run WBBA tournaments and here is the guide for how to do so.

The other issue is the ranking system. And this happens with all competitive games. And I have no doubt that eventually the WBO will follow on those other games footsteps because it just simplify things… What I mean by this is that eventually the WBO will have to create a standard tournament structure that will be the only tournament structure that can be ranked. The reason for this is because people will stop acknowledging certain tournament structures as being “real tournaments” and argue that they shouldn’t be ranked. You will see things like “3on3 is to random and shouldn’t be ranked. P3C1 is better for competitive play and should be all that is ranked.” And while it is not true it will start to plant seeds in others brains and eventually more people will start to believe it and it causes rifts and splits in the community. And once that happens the WBO will have no choice but to step in and do something to remedy it all. It’s very unfortunate but it happens a lot with competitive play.

(Apr. 05, 2023  8:29 AM)versusENDEV Wrote:

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In BeybladeX's case, it is a new product that TT probably have plans for. No one knows if a global tournament is part of their plan, but as long as WBO is not in the way of TT's plans, there won't be any problem. I'm just saying that TT "can" step in if WBO will not be in line with their plans. TT would probably win a cease and desist case because of the Beyblade name. A simple name can mean everything, but that is just a worst case scenario.

I don't want this to go out of topic. It is fine if you don't agree with my reasons of why I support this proposal. We all have our own reasons. Arguing with someone on how and why they support a proposal that they both agree is nonsense! Does it matter if we have different reasons? No! Because what's important is that majority of us, based from the votes, agree with this proposal. This proposal will future-proof WBO for whatever TT is planning for Beyblade X.


The ranking system can be tailored to the proposal if it gets approved. Any ranked tournament, regardless if it is Standard or Unlimited, will generate your "All Time" Ranking Points(the current WBO ranking system).  But if an organizer chose to host a Standard Ranked Tournament, it will generate a Seasonal/Annual Ranking Points in addition to generating an All Time Rank points. In this way, WBO does not need to reset/abolish the current ranking system but instead add a new one that resets yearly. WBO can award its Season MOP(Most Outstanding Player) to the the best Ranking Blader of the season, like a Season MVP in NBA. The MOP will be awarded just before the Rank Reset. The rank reset will happen when a National Championship or like the BWC is held to crown a Grand Tournament Champion. The MOP will be the favorite to win the title but it will also create an underdog story if another player wins the championship. The season can run for 10 months and there will be 2 months offseason that the WBO can use to apply changes on the Ranked Standard Format, whether it will be rule change, stadium change, match type to be used, ban, unban, etc. Two months to decide of what to implement for the next season. During the offseason, there will still be the All Time Rank to keep competitive players busy and the time can also be used to experiment on combos/strategies for the next season. Ranked Standard is still accessible during the offseason, but it will not give seasonal rank points during that period. The National Championship will be up to the Organizers to discuss on who will host, for example they can take turns each year on who is able to do a large scale tournament. Part of the offseason agenda will also be discussing the structure of the next National Championships.

(Apr. 09, 2023  11:52 AM)Kei Wrote: My only feedback would be that the one thing which might be missing and worth considering is that if someone wants to, for instance, play ranked traditional WBO Burst Format rules but with no bans on BDr and MBD ... it doesn't seem to be an option? Basically, I'm not sure if forcing a ban on certain parts in the "Standard" rulesets is the best thing (safety-related bans being the only exception). If such bans were an option, that would enable greater flexibility.

Thanks to everyone who contributed to making this proposal!