(Jun. 19, 2020  12:05 AM)SupaDav03 Wrote:

(Jun. 18, 2020  7:27 PM)MysticZone Wrote: I am not liking the Chassis here. If there's a mode where those awful blades can stay in, I will definetly enjoy this Bey a lot. I don't see it performing the best for Defense, though.

Well from the chassis description, the activation of the gimmick seems similar to cho-z wings. So maybe soft launching will keep the blades from extending?

(Jun. 19, 2020  1:25 AM)MysticZone Wrote:

(Jun. 19, 2020  12:05 AM)SupaDav03 Wrote: Well from the chassis description, the activation of the gimmick seems similar to cho-z wings. So maybe soft launching will keep the blades from extending?

That'd be neat, but still not as fun as hard launching. I don't really wanna cut the wings off, but...

(Jun. 19, 2020  1:49 AM)snoc Wrote:

(Jun. 19, 2020  1:25 AM)MysticZone Wrote: That'd be neat, but still not as fun as hard launching. I don't really wanna cut the wings off, but...

I doubt the wings will be terrible. Maybe slight disadvantages in some areas, but will prob help the overall defense alot.

(Jun. 19, 2020  4:38 AM)BeybladeCC Wrote:

(Jun. 19, 2020  1:49 AM)snoc Wrote: I doubt the wings will be terrible. Maybe slight disadvantages in some areas, but will prob help the overall defense alot.

I bet they’ll help with burst resistance

(Jun. 18, 2020  6:20 AM)CitrusNinja3 Wrote:

(Jun. 17, 2020  11:10 PM)Zeutron Wrote: I mean, what is particularly bad about it (not trying to sound hostile)?

Defense Beys don't particularly enjoy recoil, and the spiky shape is undoubtedly going to gradually generate a lot of rotational recoil. It'll be relatively easy to wear down a Variant combo's Stamina despite its OWD since the contact points can single-handedly decide whether or not a Bey is viable even if the Weight Distribution is perfect for its shape. If you look at Master, which is currently one of the tankiest Layer components when used in Left Spin, it has 4 main contact points with gaps, but the contact points themselves are pretty smooth and the gaps aren't too big, so it's able to deflect attacks more easily. I'm sorry I had to use the same example as before when replying to kai edits, but I just want to get this point across in a way that makes sense to me. Also, just elaborating on what I said before, Duo αpollos did have several flaws, but the spiky shape definitely was the biggest problem. The fact that the spikes were organized into 6 segments arguably did make it worse, but definitely not by much. It suffered from having too much recoil to be defensive but was also too round overall and with not enough space between contact points to be used aggressively, which is what I think will happen with Variant, except it might have a niche use for taking down Perfect Phoenix and Glide combos due to being in the correct weight range and resembling a circular saw. It's probably not going to be useless, but it's definitely not comparable to D2 in terms of performance because D2 was useful in a ton of matchups and it looks like Variant is only going to be usable to win some specific matchups.

(Jun. 19, 2020  7:37 PM)Flame-Byxis Wrote:

(Jun. 18, 2020  6:20 AM)CitrusNinja3 Wrote: Defense Beys don't particularly enjoy recoil, and the spiky shape is undoubtedly going to gradually generate a lot of rotational recoil. It'll be relatively easy to wear down a Variant combo's Stamina despite its OWD since the contact points can single-handedly decide whether or not a Bey is viable even if the Weight Distribution is perfect for its shape. If you look at Master, which is currently one of the tankiest Layer components when used in Left Spin, it has 4 main contact points with gaps, but the contact points themselves are pretty smooth and the gaps aren't too big, so it's able to deflect attacks more easily. I'm sorry I had to use the same example as before when replying to kai edits, but I just want to get this point across in a way that makes sense to me. Also, just elaborating on what I said before, Duo αpollos did have several flaws, but the spiky shape definitely was the biggest problem. The fact that the spikes were organized into 6 segments arguably did make it worse, but definitely not by much. It suffered from having too much recoil to be defensive but was also too round overall and with not enough space between contact points to be used aggressively, which is what I think will happen with Variant, except it might have a niche use for taking down Perfect Phoenix and Glide combos due to being in the correct weight range and resembling a circular saw. It's probably not going to be useless, but it's definitely not comparable to D2 in terms of performance because D2 was useful in a ton of matchups and it looks like Variant is only going to be usable to win some specific matchups.

The weight of the layer can make a large difference. I believe in MFB Basalt and Death were top tier for their times and both had rather rough outside albeit with an overall round shape.

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Chip
Lucifer

Fallen angel Lucifer motif.
A right-turning sparking chip with a built-in chip core that incorporates metal parts and produces heavy and high attack power.

Ring (Sounds like its a counter attack ring)
variant

A defense-type right-handed rotating ring that repels attacks with a continuous striking shape in which sharp counter blades and thick striking blades are alternately arranged.

Core
2D

A defense-specific dual-rotation double chassis that uses a six-barrier blade that is deployed during high-speed rotation to nullify all attacks.

Driver
Mobius

A defense-type driver that receives the attack without losing its posture with a shape that does not easily collapse while the tip of the super low friction material POM rotates freely.

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Chip
Longinus

Dominant Spear Longinus motif.
A counterclockwise sparking tip that locks the entire Beyblade.

Ring
Rage

An attack-type left-handed rotating ring that gives a continuous blow to the opponent with a super-heavy metal dragon, and strongly blows the opponent off with a blade-shaped upper blade.

Core
3A

Attack type counterclockwise rotating double chassis that scoops the opponent from below with a huge spear-shaped upper blade.

(Jun. 19, 2020  7:37 PM)Flame-Byxis Wrote: The weight of the layer can make a large difference. I believe in MFB Basalt and Death were top tier for their times and both had rather rough outside albeit with an overall round shape.

(Jun. 27, 2020  12:40 AM)kai edits Wrote: I still don't understand the beys ring around it when it spins can someone explain.

(Jun. 27, 2020  12:42 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: I think that the Mobius driver might make up for the barrier in terms of stamina.

(Jun. 27, 2020  1:25 AM)Needforspeed Wrote: https://youtu.be/A-JyB27q_ow

So variant lucifer Mb 2D might be Revolutionary
Because
1.) the Mb driver is some what like bearing if it has a bearing system
2.) 2D might be OP for countering opposite spin matches
3.) Lucifer has metal in it which will be used a lot like lS
back in the day

IDK if we can predict a combo with 2D for now

(Jun. 27, 2020  1:45 AM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: Dude, imagine what happens when Mobius os worn down and the center tip become flat.
Reminds me of how W2D was.

(Jun. 27, 2020  2:02 AM)Vtryuga Wrote: what im able to see is that the barrier blades on lucifer  go in at slower speeds.. this ensures that the LAD is not compromised.. glad to see TT thought about that

(Jun. 27, 2020  1:25 AM)Needforspeed Wrote: 1.) the Mb driver is some what like bearing if it has a bearing system

(Jun. 27, 2020  10:28 AM)Limetka Wrote: I thought the barrier denting like in the anime was impossible but since the blades can go back and forth throughout the match pretty easily it seems that it will actually happen. Definitely also a good way for it to not end up like the XTS Kerbecs.