(Apr. 03, 2013  5:48 PM)Uwik Wrote: Heads up guys, this thread will be merged into the original B Discussion thread soon.

http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-B-D-Discussion

(Apr. 03, 2013  6:04 PM)Infinity Wrote: @theblackdragon

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I agree. However I'm not completely sure, but I've heard somewhere that B: D has bad balance, which causes the bey to tilt a lot hit, and being hit from below makes it loose spin faster somehow. Anyways, THAT I don't know for myself since I don't use my B: D much, so ill be doing tests later today. Also, B: D could be that good, still not everyone will prefer maybe because of the mold difference, not all molds of B: D are good. On average most of them last like 4 minutes, but in some cases its spin time is 2 minutes. Which would cause confusion in non-experienced bladers and maybe could not do so good. Also B: D is a relatively fragile part, and a bit hard to get since it only comes with Phantom Orion. Plus some could prefer a different height for their stamina combos.

(Apr. 03, 2013  6:14 PM)zeneo Wrote: On a different note-
Can someone test Genbull Genbull B:.D against Revizer Dragooon B:.D?
I would love to see the results...

(Apr. 03, 2013  9:04 PM)theblackdragon Wrote: Thanks! Just one question though. Isn't bearing drive the same height as an AD145WD set-up? :\

(Apr. 03, 2013  9:05 PM)Outnumbered Wrote: I just checked, and I think it's a little bit taller.

(Apr. 03, 2013  10:23 PM)Dark_Mousy Wrote: If you're gonna do stamina comparative tests you need to have similar setups. IE Duo Cancer vs Duo Cancer or Phantom vs Phantom with parts switched out every 10 rounds.

(Apr. 03, 2013  10:23 PM)Dark_Mousy Wrote: If you're gonna do stamina comparative tests you need to have similar setups. IE Duo Cancer vs Duo Cancer or Phantom vs Phantom with parts switched out every 10 rounds.

(Apr. 04, 2013  2:03 AM)theblackdragon Wrote: Well, I think he switched the tips in between tests. In both cases, whichever bey use B won. So, in the end, Duo won when it used B, and phantom won when it used B. So it was kinda like a mirror test.

(Apr. 04, 2013  2:31 AM)theblackdragon Wrote: Alright, I did some more tests. Please tell me if I posted them wrong :)

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Phantom orion B:D vs. Phantom orion AD145WD
WD brand new. B:D A2 mold, broken in. L/R beylauncher used for both. beys alternated launching first.
Detailed results:

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R1, B:D OS
R2, B:D OS
R3, B:D OS
R4, B:D OS
R5, B:D KO
R6, B:D OS
R7, B:D OS
R8, B:D OS
R9, B:D OS
R10, B:D OS

B:D: 10/10 (1 KO, 9 OS)
AD145WD: 0/10 (0 KO, 0 OS)
Phantom orion B:D win rate: 100%

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After using Phantom vs. phantom, I found that you guys were right. B:D is ever-so-slightly taller, but barely. Still, in stamina mode, the rough underneath of phantom was a great target for the opposing bey, and it got leaned over a little a few times. It didn't make the tip grind, because of the bearings, but it did quite a bit of damage from hitting the metal wheel at that angle. Still, it dominated AD145WD in most of the rounds. It out-spun it by an impressive amount of time, but I see how a lower attack type could take advantage of this. but, when I used reviser in the earlier tests, the attack type just didn't have this effect. B:D was not being knocked into a leaning position with reviser. I think it was because reviser was much thicker and smoother, and harder to get a well-gripped grind underneath the chrome wheel. So, I assume that this may be avoided by switching around the metal wheel sometimes. Maybe Duo would be able to avoid this, being thicker and smoother than phantom, but not sure.
What I don't get, is that the problem everyone has been presenting is that B:D is KOed easily. Leaning is definitely a disadvantage, but it still does not cause the combo to get KOed. Do you think that B:D would work well against taller combos? such as, say, SA165? Just since it wouldn't
lean? And even when leaning, it can still OS because of the bearings right? It can still out-spin great, not as well as a solo spin, but still great!

Wow, you guys really made me realize that B:D has a few balance issues against different heights, but mine can still easily out-spin AD145WD, and I am still skeptical about it being KOed easier than WD. Could just be me though. :)
I also agree with Infinity that part of B:D's defensive advantage is that the tip can stop completely win it reaches the ridge near the edge of the stadium, without losing much RPM because of the bearings, whereas WD would slip over, since it continues to spin. I also realized that B:D seemed to lose less spin from being smashed into a wall, and seemed to recover faster.


(@ Dark Mousey. This would be considered a mirror test, right?)

Arupaeo Wrote:Height Comparisons

B:D = 21.48 mm
145 + WD = 19.55 mm
TH170 (170) + WD = 22.12 mm
230 no tip = 22.86 mm
230 + WD = 27.95 mm