(Feb. 27, 2019  6:47 AM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Feb. 27, 2019  6:10 AM)Nightmarefafnir Wrote: I don't know why everyone is saying that Shu is stronger than free(and people were saying the same back then)
But if you remember ,at the end of season 2 ,everyone was saying that free lost to valt because of an accident ,and that free is stronger
But then valt defeated Shu
And if valt is stronger than Shu
It means that free is also stronger than Shu

The main antagonist of his respective time (Shu) was most likely better than Free, he even had his bey dubbed as the “perfect beyblade” so out of logic he would be tougher. Free beat nightmare Luinor, but Shu destroyed Lunior (but with the score of 3-2 rather than 3-1 but please, destroying a bey is worth all that) and by extension whilst Free did forfeit with Valt only getting a knockout Free went beyond his own limit which is why it happened and if you think about it Valt and Shu never surpassed their limits as much as Free did and therefore they did not suffer those consequences (atleast not until later when Shu injured himself for launching too hard). It is kinda like a tiit for tat with Free giving his  body in for an extra advantage. In chouzetsu Shu beat a full powered Aiga 4-0 whilst Free won 3-0 and despite the fact that Free and Shu both lost in equal score to Phi - but Shu got a lot closer to winning in both the second and third rounds. Overall most indications point to Shu being better in my opinion (not to mention the fact that he was also the former deuteragonist) but an opinion is what it is and everyone’s got one I could be wrong.

(Feb. 27, 2019  10:38 AM)Nightmarefafnir Wrote:

(Feb. 27, 2019  6:47 AM)Zeutron Wrote: The main antagonist of his respective time (Shu) was most likely better than Free, he even had his bey dubbed as the “perfect beyblade” so out of logic he would be tougher. Free beat nightmare Luinor, but Shu destroyed Lunior (but with the score of 3-2 rather than 3-1 but please, destroying a bey is worth all that) and by extension whilst Free did forfeit with Valt only getting a knockout Free went beyond his own limit which is why it happened and if you think about it Valt and Shu never surpassed their limits as much as Free did and therefore they did not suffer those consequences (atleast not until later when Shu injured himself for launching too hard). It is kinda like a tiit for tat with Free giving his  body in for an extra advantage. In chouzetsu Shu beat a full powered Aiga 4-0 whilst Free won 3-0 and despite the fact that Free and Shu both lost in equal score to Phi - but Shu got a lot closer to winning in both the second and third rounds. Overall most indications point to Shu being better in my opinion (not to mention the fact that he was also the former deuteragonist) but an opinion is what it is and everyone’s got one I could be wrong.

Free did not go beyond his limit ,he is limit less
And how can forget that lui was dominating for most part of their fight, and shu onky hot upperhand in the end
While in his right with free, free was dominating most of his fight

(Feb. 27, 2019  1:12 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Feb. 27, 2019  10:38 AM)Nightmarefafnir Wrote: Free did not go beyond his limit ,he is limit less
And how can forget that lui was dominating for most part of their fight, and shu onky hot upperhand in the end
While in his right with free, free was dominating most of his fight

Lui only had the upper hand during the round where he bursted Spriggan but the thing is that Spriggan was not in the suited mode for fighting being in Stamina mode. Pretty much all of Shu’s opponents in god/evolution go that way unless Shu beats them right away which he did not do too much. During his match with Lui, Free did not have the upper hand in his first round whilst he did during the other 2 (like Shu). Also if Free was limitless I do not think he would have strained his arm when Raul said he passed his limit ?.

(Feb. 27, 2019  10:02 PM)NobodyBlader Wrote: Well, I think Shu just has more to work this with have 6 different mods,  will Free had to work with what he had at the moment being Drain Spin and Nothing Break/Breaker

(Feb. 28, 2019  10:51 AM)Aadi Lui Wrote: Free's battle record - 27 wins out of 31 matches
Shu's battle record - 36 wins out of 43 matches
Lui's battle record - 21 wins out of 24 matches
Valt's battle record - 63 wins out of 108 matches

Free 's win percentage - 87%
Shu 's win percentage - 83%
Lui's win percentage - 87.5%
Valt's win percentage - 58%

Ranks according to technicality (not Anime wise because how can a blader fall so much in 2 years he instead has to improve
1) Lui
2) Free
3) Shu
4) Valt

Anime wise
1) Valt
2) Shu
3) Free
4) Lui

Anime Plot sucks !! I wanted Free and Lui to be on top atleast they are on top of technicality wise list.

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(Feb. 28, 2019  12:58 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Feb. 28, 2019  10:51 AM)Aadi Lui Wrote: Free's battle record - 27 wins out of 31 matches
Shu's battle record - 36 wins out of 43 matches
Lui's battle record - 21 wins out of 24 matches
Valt's battle record - 63 wins out of 108 matches

Free 's win percentage - 87%
Shu 's win percentage - 83%
Lui's win percentage - 87.5%
Valt's win percentage - 58%

Ranks according to technicality (not Anime wise because how can a blader fall so much in 2 years he instead has to improve
1) Lui
2) Free
3) Shu
4) Valt

Anime wise
1) Valt
2) Shu
3) Free
4) Lui

Anime Plot sucks !! I wanted Free and Lui to be on top atleast they are on top of technicality wise list.

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Thank you for making this post it is actually pretty interesting. To be honest I do not want characters like Lui and Free at the top just because the owners of reverse rotation beys tend to be overrated especially if they are the boss of an anime arc.

(Feb. 28, 2019  9:53 PM)NobodyBlader Wrote: I like how Valt lost to Shu and Lui in the finals and didn't win because of hE bElIeVeD iN hIs bEy like in MFB, I found Valt annoying in s1 but in s2 I started to like him

(Mar. 01, 2019  6:56 AM)Nightmarefafnir Wrote:

(Feb. 28, 2019  9:53 PM)NobodyBlader Wrote: I like how Valt lost to Shu and Lui in the finals and didn't win because of hE bElIeVeD iN hIs bEy like in MFB, I found Valt annoying in s1 but in s2 I started to like him

At the end of season one, valt was actually stronger than Shu and even lui

(Mar. 01, 2019  10:18 AM)Aadi Lui Wrote:

(Mar. 01, 2019  6:56 AM)Nightmarefafnir Wrote: At the end of season one, valt was actually stronger than Shu and even lui

He was stronger than Shu but not Lui as later he in God he lost to Lui, he was stronger than Lui in season 1 then he could easily beat Lui in season 2 but he couldn't. That is why this proves that Lui was better than Valt in Season 1 and 2. Lui is the most skilled blader and he is also the best (not Turbo)

(Mar. 01, 2019  11:16 AM)Nightmarefafnir Wrote:

(Mar. 01, 2019  10:18 AM)Aadi Lui Wrote: He was stronger than Shu but not Lui as later he in God he lost to Lui, he was stronger than Lui in season 1 then he could easily beat Lui in season 2 but he couldn't. That is why this proves that Lui was better than Valt in Season 1 and 2. Lui is the most skilled blader and he is also the best (not Turbo)

But at the end of their match ,valkriye was very fast and had more spin than Longinus ,but it bursted because of an accident
And the power levels don't stay same ,lui got stronger by alot in season 2 ,while valt only started get more stronger at the near end of season 2

(Feb. 28, 2019  12:58 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Feb. 28, 2019  10:51 AM)Aadi Lui Wrote: Free's battle record - 27 wins out of 31 matches
Shu's battle record - 36 wins out of 43 matches
Lui's battle record - 21 wins out of 24 matches
Valt's battle record - 63 wins out of 108 matches

Free 's win percentage - 87%
Shu 's win percentage - 83%
Lui's win percentage - 87.5%
Valt's win percentage - 58%

Ranks according to technicality (not Anime wise because how can a blader fall so much in 2 years he instead has to improve
1) Lui
2) Free
3) Shu
4) Valt

Anime wise
1) Valt
2) Shu
3) Free
4) Lui

Anime Plot sucks !! I wanted Free and Lui to be on top atleast they are on top of technicality wise list.

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Source : Fandom

Thank you for making this post it is actually pretty interesting. To be honest I do not want characters like Lui and Free at the top just because the owners of reverse rotation beys tend to be overrated especially if they are the boss of an anime arc.

(Mar. 01, 2019  3:40 PM)Nightmarefafnir Wrote:

(Feb. 28, 2019  12:58 PM)Zeutron Wrote: Thank you for making this post it is actually pretty interesting. To be honest I do not want characters like Lui and Free at the top just because the owners of reverse rotation beys tend to be overrated especially if they are the boss of an anime arc.

Shu is actually more overrated than them 
Shu needs to be somewhere below ken at least

(Mar. 01, 2019  7:43 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Mar. 01, 2019  3:40 PM)Nightmarefafnir Wrote: Shu is actually more overrated than them 
Shu needs to be somewhere below ken at least

Shu was the secondary protagonist in s1 and main antagonist in evolution so he kinda does deserve the attention especially since he is a pretty good character with an existing personality. And to be honest although you did not mention it, people still loved Shu from before he got a dual spin bey so I think its pretty even.

(Mar. 01, 2019  9:14 PM)God Dragruler Wrote:

(Mar. 01, 2019  7:43 PM)Zeutron Wrote: Shu was the secondary protagonist in s1 and main antagonist in evolution so he kinda does deserve the attention especially since he is a pretty good character with an existing personality. And to be honest although you did not mention it, people still loved Shu from before he got a dual spin bey so I think its pretty even.

I don't think he care,  his hated for shu fans is big so he wont give shu the credit that the character actually deserves, which is why for me the shu crazy fan base isn't that different from the anti shu fan base , one is to defensive while the other will downplay the character. it's like the escanor and meliodas fans their bias. they can't be neutral and just see how the characters are despite the anime showcase it. their excuse is always the word overhyped or overrated it happened with kai or ryuga and it will happen with a new character put in the same place. it will always happen

(Mar. 01, 2019  9:50 PM)Zeutron Wrote:

(Mar. 01, 2019  9:14 PM)God Dragruler Wrote: I don't think he care,  his hated for shu fans is big so he wont give shu the credit that the character actually deserves, which is why for me the shu crazy fan base isn't that different from the anti shu fan base , one is to defensive while the other will downplay the character. it's like the escanor and meliodas fans their bias. they can't be neutral and just see how the characters are despite the anime showcase it. their excuse is always the word overhyped or overrated it happened with kai or ryuga and it will happen with a new character put in the same place. it will always happen

I agree, but being a fan of a good character like Shu is not too bad (or maybe it is I have no idea, my opinion could be totally wrong). Kia and Ryuga were just power houses with little to no persona and they were kinda jerks.

(Mar. 01, 2019  10:07 PM)God Dragruler Wrote:

(Mar. 01, 2019  9:50 PM)Zeutron Wrote: I agree, but being a fan of a good character like Shu is not too bad (or maybe it is I have no idea, my opinion could be totally wrong). Kia and Ryuga were just power houses with little to no persona and they were kinda jerks.

Same I don't see a problem with someone being a shu specially when his built to just as good as characters like free or lui these are basically the strongest burst has to offer , for example my favorite is lui but I know where a character his either one equal to him or stronger than him , I always said despite the fact that shu never got a title which he should've had he has probably the character development in burst I . The character lives up to the hype the normal fans are neutral give him even the show proves you that I personally never liked shu from s1 but he became interesting in s2 through the bit we say in s3 but I always give him the credit he has built and how strong and talented he actually is. So I don't see the problem if you have a problem with the crazy fan type just ignore it Simple solution. Your not wrong about the reverse rotating bey that much ever since ryuga came with a reverse rotating dragon bey lots of people like it, Tyson had a reverse rotating dragon bey but not many people cared that much alright he was a cool main character . But everyone has their tasted it's been always like that and always will be

(Mar. 01, 2019  10:24 PM)NobodyBlader Wrote:

(Mar. 01, 2019  10:07 PM)God Dragruler Wrote: Same I don't see a problem with someone being a shu specially when his built to just as good as characters like free or lui these are basically the strongest burst has to offer , for example my favorite is lui but I know where a character his either one equal to him or stronger than him , I always said despite the fact that shu never got a title which he should've had he has probably the character development in burst I . The character lives up to the hype the normal fans are neutral give him even the show proves you that I personally never liked shu from s1 but he became interesting in s2 through the bit we say in s3 but I always give him the credit he has built and how strong and talented he actually is. So I don't see the problem if you have a problem with the crazy fan type just ignore it Simple solution. Your not wrong about the reverse rotating bey that much ever since ryuga came with a reverse rotating dragon bey lots of people like it, Tyson had a reverse rotating dragon bey but not many people cared that much alright he was a cool main character . But everyone has their tasted it's been always like that and always will be

Well, one problem I have with Shu is some of his fan base. I've talked with a couple of shu fans on other site and they are always toxic if you say anything bad about Shu or when he was Red Eye. and then there's the whole Shu X Valt thing which I would like to personally like to keep out the lovey-dovey stuff out of Beyblade. But I also didn't like shu is season 1 but when the whole Red Eye thing happened it was cool. But I think shu is overrated I'm not an anti-Shu fan nor am I a Shu fan, I just liked when he was Red Eye/Spriggan