(Aug. 07, 2023  9:13 PM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Aug. 07, 2023  8:56 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: That Valt and Lui shtick was an example of your logic, not mine. I literally said “Using your logic”. My argument is that Pri with FLAME Pandora, not Twister, not Tidal, not Lightning, and Bell with DESTINED Belial with his new launcher, not Dynamite, not Dangerous, nor Divine, are Legend level because those forms of the Bladers have feats that put them at Legend Level, Shu said that If he didn’t take off the mask, he’d never become a legend, not that he wasn’t too weak to be one, If you’re going type in a paragraph, a two least represent my argument correctly. End of series Pri and Bell should Ben Legend level, not their previous forms.

Listen to yourself, your completely separating Pri and Bell as if their not the same person.Bell is still Bell and Pri is still Pri nothing about your logic will change that. EoS Bell is still Bell all the way through, and EoS Pri is still Pri you cant treat them as if their different people. If you want to accurately rank them you need to include all their wins and losses, their good and bad and right now their bad (losses) shines through more than their good (wins). You cant talk about how strong they are against others but not mention their losses either. Thats how you compare them with other bladers to see if they truly are on par or stronger. Pri and Bell have been getting dominated all season so why 1 would good win offset their entire history or make them stronger than any of the other bladers that have been doing consistently better compared to them. The only way for them to truly prove that they’re better is for them to have a consistently better win rate that rivals others bladers or is better than theirs, just like every blader before: Valt, shu, Aiga, Drum, and etc.

Pri and Bell don't get some special exception, why should they get their bad points taken away while other bladers have to show constant proof of them being the best? If they have to get bad points taken away to look like legends then maybe they aren’t legends.

(Aug. 07, 2023  9:02 PM)BondsofTime Wrote:

(Aug. 07, 2023  8:56 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: That Valt and Lui shtick was an example of your logic, not mine. I literally said “Using your logic”. My argument is that Pri with FLAME Pandora, not Twister, not Tidal, not Lightning, and Bell with DESTINED Belial with his new launcher, not Dynamite, not Dangerous, nor Divine, are Legend level because those forms of the Bladers have feats that put them at Legend Level, Shu said that If he didn’t take off the mask, he’d never become a legend, not that he wasn’t too weak to be one, If you’re going type in a paragraph, a two least represent my argument correctly. End of series Pri and Bell should Ben Legend level, not their previous forms.

Well they aren't. I get that your mad about it, but you don't have to run around the site whiteknighting Bel and Pri and griefing others over their own opinion on two different threads. Someone didn't put Bel and Pri in their top 10 and you literally got triggered. Big whoop. Chill out my guy. Burst ended today and your turning what should be a time to be grateful and celebrate into a civil war.

(Aug. 07, 2023  9:53 PM)Orichalcum Wrote:

(Aug. 07, 2023  9:13 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: Listen to yourself, your completely separating Pri and Bell as if their not the same person.Bell is still Bell and Pri is still Pri nothing about your logic will change that. EoS Bell is still Bell all the way through, and EoS Pri is still Pri you cant treat them as if their different people. If you want to accurately rank them you need to include all their wins and losses, their good and bad and right now their bad (losses) shines through more than their good (wins). You cant talk about how strong they are against others but not mention their losses either. Thats how you compare them with other bladers to see if they truly are on par or stronger. Pri and Bell have been getting dominated all season so why 1 would good win offset their entire history or make them stronger than any of the other bladers that have been doing consistently better compared to them. The only way for them to truly prove that they’re better is for them to have a consistently better win rate that rivals others bladers or is better than theirs, just like every blader before: Valt, shu, Aiga, Drum, and etc.

Pri and Bell don't get some special exception, why should they get their bad points taken away while other bladers have to show constant proof of them being the best? If they have to get bad points taken away to look like legends then maybe they aren’t legends.

I'm not saying that they're different people, I'm saying that their beys have vastly different abilities. Flame Pandora can conjure elements like nature transformations. No other Pandora can do that. Destined Belial has the Best stats out of all of the belials. And it depends on the scale of their losses. Think about. If I lose to drum, but then I beat Aiga, logically I should at least be stronger than the Drum I faced. When I say Bell is Legend Level, it because his best feat, beating Pax, means he should be stronger than the Valt who had TT valkyrie, who was a Legend Level Blader. Same logic goes for Pri. And again, the consistency argument doesn't work because Bell and Pri literally have new beys. Do you think that Xander is bursting Flame like he did Twister? Or that Bell is losing to Kitt again? I'm not denying that Bell is Bell and Pri is Pri, but their new beys ruin the "consistency argument" b/c Bell and Pri aren't consistently weak with their new beys, nor did they face all of their previous opponents without them. It's why I think any form of Bell and Pri before Flame and Destined aren't legend level. Because Bell and pri without evolutions got bullied quite easily. When Bell and pri evolve their beys, their beys become a lot stronger, which is why those losses don't matter. Xander never one shotted Destined Belfyre. Kitt never burst Flame Pandora. Hope fully this makes my reasoning clearer to you.

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(Aug. 07, 2023  9:02 PM)BondsofTime Wrote: Well they aren't. I get that your mad about it, but you don't have to run around the site whiteknighting Bel and Pri and griefing others over their own opinion on two different threads. Someone didn't put Bel and Pri in their top 10 and you literally got triggered. Big whoop. Chill out my guy. Burst ended today and your turning what should be a time to be grateful and celebrate into a civil war.

Who said I'm angry? I'm just stating my opinion. I never got triggered, I just stated my opinion and then people who I wasn't even talking decided to reply to me. How am I the angry one when you pulled up out of nowhere just to reply to me? I wasn't even initially talking to you, yet here you are. Also, there's nothing wrong with replying to something you don't agree with. This is an open forum, and I haven't been disrepsectful or anything. If you're going to talk about me "griefing" and being triggered, you can at least not be a hypocrite.

(Aug. 07, 2023  11:28 PM)BondsofTime Wrote:

(Aug. 07, 2023  9:53 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: I'm not saying that they're different people, I'm saying that their beys have vastly different abilities. Flame Pandora can conjure elements like nature transformations. No other Pandora can do that. Destined Belial has the Best stats out of all of the belials. And it depends on the scale of their losses. Think about. If I lose to drum, but then I beat Aiga, logically I should at least be stronger than the Drum I faced. When I say Bell is Legend Level, it because his best feat, beating Pax, means he should be stronger than the Valt who had TT valkyrie, who was a Legend Level Blader. Same logic goes for Pri. And again, the consistency argument doesn't work because Bell and Pri literally have new beys. Do you think that Xander is bursting Flame like he did Twister? Or that Bell is losing to Kitt again? I'm not denying that Bell is Bell and Pri is Pri, but their new beys ruin the "consistency argument" b/c Bell and Pri aren't consistently weak with their new beys, nor did they face all of their previous opponents without them. It's why I think any form of Bell and Pri before Flame and Destined aren't legend level. Because Bell and pri without evolutions got bullied quite easily. When Bell and pri evolve their beys, their beys become a lot stronger, which is why those losses don't matter. Xander never one shotted Destined Belfyre. Kitt never burst Flame Pandora. Hope fully this makes my reasoning clearer to you.

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Who said I'm angry? I'm just stating my opinion. I never got triggered, I just stated my opinion and then people who I wasn't even talking decided to reply to me. How am I the angry one when you pulled up out of nowhere just to reply to me? I wasn't even initially talking to you, yet here you are. Also, there's nothing wrong with replying to something you don't agree with. This is an open forum, and I haven't been disrepsectful or anything. If you're going to talk about me "griefing" and being triggered, you can at least not be a hypocrite.

The only reason I'm even here is because we were talking in a different thread and you directed me to come here for more details. What do you mean I pulled up out of nowhere? But now I wish I honestly didn't because I feel like I walked into a dumpster fire that was started entirely by you. How are not angry when your going back n forth with someone else here for hours, pounding all caps into you words? You weren't being disrespectful? Most of your replies have been very condecending and rude. You tried using's Phantom logic against him to get under his skin. You never got triggered? The only reason there's an argument going on is because someone said something you disagreed with, got called out on it then decided to lash out at anybody that replied to you. And I'm not a hypocrite, I didn't come here for anybody else but you again because you directed me here and I'm not triggered or griefing; I'm just in awe that so much drama can arise from something so ridiculous. You occassionally have interesting takes but today ain't one of em Ori. All you did was throw a temper tantrum. You wanna be bitter about something so petty be my guest, but you ain't gonna keep me here for hours. Now I think I'm gonna go enjoy episodes 20 and 25 of QS again because my day isn't ruined. Take it easy Ori.

(Aug. 09, 2023  12:10 AM)ScarletTurbo44 Wrote: Random thought, but there's one thing about Burst that I wish we got to see and that's Bell's parents. Idk why but I'm under the impression that they're no longer with Bell but even so a flashback or even a short scene showing a picture of them would've been nice. The most info I was able to find on the topic of Bell's parents was a reddit post and one of the replies mentions a Q&A with Hiro Morita that claimed he didn't want to show Bell's parents  because he "thought it would be easier to express Bell's weakness as a human being"(this reply was from Hiro and translated). Idk if there's more to this but if anyone finds more on Bell's parent please do share.

(Aug. 09, 2023  4:46 AM)Achilles25 Wrote:

(Aug. 09, 2023  12:10 AM)ScarletTurbo44 Wrote: Random thought, but there's one thing about Burst that I wish we got to see and that's Bell's parents. Idk why but I'm under the impression that they're no longer with Bell but even so a flashback or even a short scene showing a picture of them would've been nice. The most info I was able to find on the topic of Bell's parents was a reddit post and one of the replies mentions a Q&A with Hiro Morita that claimed he didn't want to show Bell's parents  because he "thought it would be easier to express Bell's weakness as a human being"(this reply was from Hiro and translated). Idk if there's more to this but if anyone finds more on Bell's parent please do share.

This is my head-canon but I think this is the most reasonable understanding of why Bell’s parents were never shown.

Bell’s parents are dead. I’m not sure if it’s because of an accident but after they died, he was taken in by his wealthy grandfather Jinemon. 

Jinemon tried giving Bell the most fun lifestyle to hide the pain of his parents death away from him. And at the same time Jinemon hid the pain away from himself as well by pranks. 

Pranks are what bring Bell and Jinemon together. Jinemon loves Bell truly. And he doesn’t want him to feel any pain, always finding a way to cheer him up if it’s by curry, pranks, or ideas. 

These are my thoughts on it.

(Aug. 09, 2023  4:58 AM)Orichalcum Wrote:

(Aug. 09, 2023  4:46 AM)Achilles25 Wrote: This is my head-canon but I think this is the most reasonable understanding of why Bell’s parents were never shown.

Bell’s parents are dead. I’m not sure if it’s because of an accident but after they died, he was taken in by his wealthy grandfather Jinemon. 

Jinemon tried giving Bell the most fun lifestyle to hide the pain of his parents death away from him. And at the same time Jinemon hid the pain away from himself as well by pranks. 

Pranks are what bring Bell and Jinemon together. Jinemon loves Bell truly. And he doesn’t want him to feel any pain, always finding a way to cheer him up if it’s by curry, pranks, or ideas. 

These are my thoughts on it.

Great storyline, but if that were true, then wouldn’t Bell have at least a moment of vulnerability. I find it hard to believe that Bell’s parents died when he was at most ten and he didn’t reflect on that tragedy.  But that could be a epic plot point though. Imagine Bell loving Belial because it was the last thing his parents gave him before their deaths, so Belial would remind him of his parents and the memories they shared with him.

(Aug. 09, 2023  5:22 AM)Achilles25 Wrote:

(Aug. 09, 2023  4:58 AM)Orichalcum Wrote: Great storyline, but if that were true, then wouldn’t Bell have at least a moment of vulnerability. I find it hard to believe that Bell’s parents died when he was at most ten and he didn’t reflect on that tragedy.  But that could be a epic plot point though. Imagine Bell loving Belial because it was the last thing his parents gave him before their deaths, so Belial would remind him of his parents and the memories they shared with him.

I'd guess that Bell's parents died when he was very young. Young to the point of not remembering.

(Aug. 09, 2023  4:58 AM)Orichalcum Wrote:

(Aug. 09, 2023  4:46 AM)Achilles25 Wrote: This is my head-canon but I think this is the most reasonable understanding of why Bell’s parents were never shown.

Bell’s parents are dead. I’m not sure if it’s because of an accident but after they died, he was taken in by his wealthy grandfather Jinemon. 

Jinemon tried giving Bell the most fun lifestyle to hide the pain of his parents death away from him. And at the same time Jinemon hid the pain away from himself as well by pranks. 

Pranks are what bring Bell and Jinemon together. Jinemon loves Bell truly. And he doesn’t want him to feel any pain, always finding a way to cheer him up if it’s by curry, pranks, or ideas. 

These are my thoughts on it.

Great storyline, but if that were true, then wouldn’t Bell have at least a moment of vulnerability. I find it hard to believe that Bell’s parents died when he was at most ten and he didn’t reflect on that tragedy.  But that could be a epic plot point though. Imagine Bell loving Belial because it was the last thing his parents gave him before their deaths, so Belial would remind him of his parents and the memories they shared with him.

(Aug. 09, 2023  2:22 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: Have you guys realized that Pri hasn’t talked to Pandora once in the entire series? Pretty disappointing since I thought going forward Pri was going to build authentic resonance. They even foreshadowed that in episode 9.

(Aug. 09, 2023  2:40 PM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Aug. 09, 2023  2:22 PM)Orichalcum Wrote: Have you guys realized that Pri hasn’t talked to Pandora once in the entire series? Pretty disappointing since I thought going forward Pri was going to build authentic resonance. They even foreshadowed that in episode 9.

I was actually going to say something on that. Pax saw Pandemonium in full and created a pure resonance (bond) which is shown by his darkness turning to light and him fist bumping Pandemonium. while Pri has only saw the shell of Pandora, i did think that it was really weird how they foreshadowed that since episode 9 yet it was never built upon while Pax suddenly creates a pure bond in the last episode.

(Aug. 10, 2023  1:08 AM)Achilles25 Wrote: If none of the proof from past seasons convinced anyone, QS#26 did. They officially confirmed that Avatars are physical and everyone can see them. Everyone saw Belfyre and Pandemonium.

(Aug. 27, 2023  5:20 AM)Enzo_ Wrote: I haven't been on here for a good while but I kinda wanna hear y'all opinion on Burst since it finished recently:
- What's something you like about Burst?
- What's something you wish Burst had done/improve on?
- What character did you feel like didn't shine/get enough writing on?
- What is one bey would you say is "overrated"?

(Aug. 28, 2023  1:07 PM)RalfBalf Wrote: Imo, all of the Valkyries, Spriggans, Fafnirs, and Longinus  beys are overrated, but if I had to simplify, Brave and all the Fafnirs.

(Aug. 29, 2023  4:38 AM)Orichalcum Wrote:

(Aug. 28, 2023  1:07 PM)RalfBalf Wrote: Imo, all of the Valkyries, Spriggans, Fafnirs, and Longinus  beys are overrated, but if I had to simplify, Brave and all the Fafnirs.

But those ones come with some of the best gimmicks.

(Aug. 29, 2023  12:06 PM)RalfBalf Wrote:

(Aug. 29, 2023  4:38 AM)Orichalcum Wrote: But those ones come with some of the best gimmicks.

They're overrated.

(Aug. 29, 2023  11:13 PM)Orichalcum Wrote:

(Aug. 29, 2023  12:06 PM)RalfBalf Wrote: They're overrated.

Maybe now, but at the time they came out, said gimmicks were pretty cool. Remember Nightmare Longinus? Or Cho-z Valkyrie? Lord Spriggan and Drain Fafnir? Fairly awesome back in the day.