(Sep. 06, 2022  4:28 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Sep. 06, 2022  4:20 AM)Admiral W Wrote: I love that panel!

Side note: im not sure if its for the champion or the no.1 (pretty sure its for the no.1)


Ikr! That panel was so cool! Im like Valt is already the coolest blader around but now they are putting him on a throne Calling him the king of legends? You cant tell me that Valt doesn't deserve that. Valt has come a long way since being the dark horse at the very start.

(Sep. 06, 2022  4:51 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Sep. 06, 2022  4:28 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: Side note: im not sure if its for the champion or the no.1 (pretty sure its for the no.1)


Ikr! That panel was so cool! Im like Valt is already the coolest blader around but now they are putting him on a throne Calling him the king of legends? You cant tell me that Valt doesn't deserve that. Valt has come a long way since being the dark horse at the very start.

Certainly, which is why I appreciate how the anime sent him off. It was a great way to respect his journey and legacy.

(Sep. 06, 2022  4:59 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Sep. 06, 2022  4:51 AM)Admiral W Wrote: Certainly, which is why I appreciate how the anime sent him off. It was a great way to respect his journey and legacy.

yea and despite him losing the Champion title to bell in the manga (proud for bell yet salty at the same time) at least Valt still keeps/retains the No.1 rank. Which means Valt ultimately ends both the anime and manga as the No.1 ranked blader and the legend of legends.

(Sep. 06, 2022  5:20 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Sep. 06, 2022  4:59 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: yea and despite him losing the Champion title to bell in the manga (proud for bell yet salty at the same time) at least Valt still keeps/retains the No.1 rank. Which means Valt ultimately ends both the anime and manga as the No.1 ranked blader and the legend of legends.

Him keeping his rank is all well and good but I don't like the idea of sending Valt off with a loss. In the anime Valt went out with an awesome win and ends the anime as the world's No. 1 Blader and World Champion. Strongest blader in the world. As far as send off's go, Valt's was far better in the anime.

(Sep. 06, 2022  5:20 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Sep. 06, 2022  4:59 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: yea and despite him losing the Champion title to bell in the manga (proud for bell yet salty at the same time) at least Valt still keeps/retains the No.1 rank. Which means Valt ultimately ends both the anime and manga as the No.1 ranked blader and the legend of legends.

Him keeping his rank is all well and good but I don't like the idea of sending Valt off with a loss. In the anime Valt went out with an awesome win and ends the anime as the world's No. 1 Blader and World Champion. Strongest blader in the world. As far as send off's go, Valt's was far better in the anime.

(Sep. 06, 2022  5:23 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Sep. 06, 2022  5:20 AM)Admiral W Wrote: Him keeping his rank is all well and good but I don't like the idea of sending Valt off with a loss. In the anime Valt went out with an awesome win and ends the anime as the world's No. 1 Blader and World Champion. Strongest blader in the world. As far as send off's go, Valt's was far better in the anime.

No no no. Yea i completly agree with you. It still doesnt sit right with me. 1 Its ultimate Debute chapter and lost and 2 Bell's goal was never about the title yet he claims it anyway? It just doesnt feel right. The anime way was def the better ending.

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(Sep. 06, 2022  5:20 AM)Admiral W Wrote: Him keeping his rank is all well and good but I don't like the idea of sending Valt off with a loss. In the anime Valt went out with an awesome win and ends the anime as the world's No. 1 Blader and World Champion. Strongest blader in the world. As far as send off's go, Valt's was far better in the anime.

Sorry for the second response. Its just for the aftermath of Valt vs Bell im just trying to look at it from a better lighting. Like yea it does honestly suck that Valt lost the world champion title. It really doesnt feel right. But the good thing is that at the end of the DB manga Valt is still the No.1 Ranked blader and "Legend of Legends" the worlds Strongest blader.

(Sep. 06, 2022  7:39 AM)Darkus/Flasher Wrote:

(Sep. 06, 2022  5:23 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

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Sorry for the second response. Its just for the aftermath of Valt vs Bell im just trying to look at it from a better lighting. Like yea it does honestly suck that Valt lost the world champion title. It really doesnt feel right. But the good thing is that at the end of the DB manga Valt is still the No.1 Ranked blader and "Legend of Legends" the worlds Strongest blader.

I think even in the anime he was going to be the No.1 Ranked Blader. We've seen it happen for 3 seasons straight. Valt always ends up becoming Number 1. Its safe to assume we follow that trend.

(Sep. 06, 2022  5:00 PM)GodzillaFan101 Wrote: your one of gingkas water toys -ryuga to kenta

(Sep. 06, 2022  5:20 PM)Achilles25 Wrote:

(Sep. 06, 2022  5:00 PM)GodzillaFan101 Wrote: your one of gingkas water toys -ryuga to kenta

Then it shows that funny picture of Gingka's gang as mermaids and fish lol

(Sep. 06, 2022  8:59 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

After rewatching Rise a while ago, Dante became one of my favorite characters. I love his personality and his bey. I wish Surge did more with him.

(Sep. 06, 2022  9:44 PM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Sep. 06, 2022  8:59 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

After rewatching Rise a while ago, Dante became one of my favorite characters. I love his personality and his bey. I wish Surge did more with him.

I feel like drum in the eyes of the fandom (some at least) is a really underrated protag and chatacter in general. Hes like a mix between yea hes good and meh. I see a lot of people mention him but not a lot though. I personally like drum and he deserves being a legend but at times hes feels a bit underrated.

(Sep. 06, 2022  9:52 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Sep. 06, 2022  9:44 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: I feel like drum in the eyes of the fandom (some at least) is a really underrated protag and chatacter in general. Hes like a mix between yea hes good and meh. I see a lot of people mention him but not a lot though. I personally like drum and he deserves being a legend but at times hes feels a bit underrated.

Dante and Rise are both underrated which is unfortunate because both are great.

(Sep. 06, 2022  8:59 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

After rewatching Rise a while ago, Dante became one of my favorite characters. I love his personality and his bey. I wish Surge did more with him.

(Sep. 06, 2022  9:57 PM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Sep. 06, 2022  9:52 PM)Admiral W Wrote: Dante and Rise are both underrated which is unfortunate because both are great.

I feel like they are underrated for 3 reasons
1. It was the begining transition from full legenth to half
2. Shu free and lui werent in it 
3. He isnt as big compared to the rest of the legends

I feel like despite those 3 reasons he shoupdnt be so undderated the dragon boy is good the way he is.

(Sep. 06, 2022  10:01 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Sep. 06, 2022  9:57 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: I feel like they are underrated for 3 reasons
1. It was the begining transition from full legenth to half
2. Shu free and lui werent in it 
3. He isnt as big compared to the rest of the legends

I feel like despite those 3 reasons he shoupdnt be so undderated the dragon boy is good the way he is.

Those are basically the conclusions I've reached as well.

1. Rise actually uses the smaller runtime better than all the ten minute episode seasons. They do the best at progressing plot and character forward and manage to do some good character work despite the smaller timeframe.

2. I'm actually happy they didn't include them, they really took the time to populate the season with new characters and took them on their own journeys.

3. True. I'm glad they made him a Legend, they put some respect on his name by doing that.

Dante and Dragon are great.

(Sep. 06, 2022  10:13 PM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Sep. 06, 2022  10:01 PM)Admiral W Wrote: Those are basically the conclusions I've reached as well.

1. Rise actually uses the smaller runtime better than all the ten minute episode seasons. They do the best at progressing plot and character forward and manage to do some good character work despite the smaller timeframe.

2. I'm actually happy they didn't include them, they really took the time to populate the season with new characters and took them on their own journeys.

3. True. I'm glad they made him a Legend, they put some respect on his name by doing that.

Dante and Dragon are great.

Out of all the charactets i feel like lodin and amane had wasted potential. Like amane did get that big win but i wish they could have shown amane a bit more powerful before that and lodin i feel like would have been cool to appear again. Gt had a good cast but i feel like they got "overshined" quite a bit

(Sep. 06, 2022  10:13 PM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Sep. 06, 2022  10:01 PM)Admiral W Wrote: Those are basically the conclusions I've reached as well.

1. Rise actually uses the smaller runtime better than all the ten minute episode seasons. They do the best at progressing plot and character forward and manage to do some good character work despite the smaller timeframe.

2. I'm actually happy they didn't include them, they really took the time to populate the season with new characters and took them on their own journeys.

3. True. I'm glad they made him a Legend, they put some respect on his name by doing that.

Dante and Dragon are great.

Out of all the charactets i feel like lodin and amane had wasted potential. Like amane did get that big win but i wish they could have shown amane a bit more powerful before that and lodin i feel like would have been cool to appear again. Gt had a good cast but i feel like they got "overshined" quite a bit

(Sep. 06, 2022  10:53 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Sep. 06, 2022  10:13 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: Out of all the charactets i feel like lodin and amane had wasted potential. Like amane did get that big win but i wish they could have shown amane a bit more powerful before that and lodin i feel like would have been cool to appear again. Gt had a good cast but i feel like they got "overshined" quite a bit

Lodin was never going to go beyond the Bey Carnival where he played his part as a character. As far as Arman is concerned, I don't it reasonable to expect really for all the characters to be on the same level of power so it actually makes sense that Arman simply wasn't as powerful as say Dante and Delta, he got close towards the end of Rise which is great because it showed his growth in his Blading and even beyond that grew very much as a person which was wonderful, so I don't think the wasted potential stance is really accurate with regards to him.

(Sep. 06, 2022  11:08 PM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Sep. 06, 2022  10:53 PM)Admiral W Wrote: Lodin was never going to go beyond the Bey Carnival where he played his part as a character. As far as Arman is concerned, I don't it reasonable to expect really for all the characters to be on the same level of power so it actually makes sense that Arman simply wasn't as powerful as say Dante and Delta, he got close towards the end of Rise which is great because it showed his growth in his Blading and even beyond that grew very much as a person which was wonderful, so I don't think the wasted potential stance is really accurate with regards to him.

I didnt mean wasted potential that was too strong of a word. Ik amane had an awesome moment that really showed that he had potential as a blader and character and yea lodin wasn't making it past the bey carnival that was obvious. All i was saying is it would have been cool to see more of lodin, and kinda felt bad for amane at the start. Basically imo i feel like they developed him a bit to late like despite beating Arthur and unlocking gold turbo it feels like part of it was a little to late. Not saying his development is bad but imo just a bit to late. I feel like amane had more potential if they focused on him a bit sooner. A lot of characters in gt were really good and it was a nice change of pace from the original cast of characters. All im saying is i feel like some characters could have been expanded on a bit more or had a bit more potential. For example blind, hes one of the gt 3 is constantly improving himself showing that he has potential as a blader but losses all his battles because he only goes against drum and delta. And people call him a bad blader when thats not even close to true.

(Sep. 06, 2022  11:29 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Sep. 06, 2022  11:08 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: I didnt mean wasted potential that was too strong of a word. Ik amane had an awesome moment that really showed that he had potential as a blader and character and yea lodin wasn't making it past the bey carnival that was obvious. All i was saying is it would have been cool to see more of lodin, and kinda felt bad for amane at the start. Basically imo i feel like they developed him a bit to late like despite beating Arthur and unlocking gold turbo it feels like part of it was a little to late. Not saying his development is bad but imo just a bit to late. I feel like amane had more potential if they focused on him a bit sooner. A lot of characters in gt were really good and it was a nice change of pace from the original cast of characters. All im saying is i feel like some characters could have been expanded on a bit more or had a bit more potential. For example blind, hes one of the gt 3 is constantly improving himself showing that he has potential as a blader but losses all his battles because he only goes against drum and delta. And people call him a bad blader when thats not even close to true.

I'm not really too broken up about not seeing Lodin, it wasn't his story and unless he was not going to be moving the story forward, it was right for him not to be there beyond his contribution to the story. As far as it being too late for Arman, I don't even know what that really means. One of the things I love about Burst is they focus on the internal growth as characters and not just growth in Blading skill. Arman had a complete character arc where he really had to learn to value the good qualities he had to offer and it only once he began to value the things he brought to the table instead of comparing himself to Dante and Delta was he able to move forward not only as a blader but as a person. So I really don't think the "too late" point really tracks. When you get good material like that when a character grows both within and without, I don't think that angle really holds weight. Arman 

Blindt had given up on tournaments. He wasn't training, he was bored lol. He says so himself when Delta first comes to battle him. The Risen 3 themselves were never central to the overall story, when you look at the main arcs, they're not the focus of any of them really. They appear, but we're never central. Rise has basically three main story arcs; Bey Carnival, Battle Island, and Defense of the Blading World. The Risen 3 aren't central to any of those for the simple reason as it wasn't their story.

(Sep. 06, 2022  11:56 PM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Sep. 06, 2022  11:29 PM)Admiral W Wrote: I'm not really too broken up about not seeing Lodin, it wasn't his story and unless he was not going to be moving the story forward, it was right for him not to be there beyond his contribution to the story. As far as it being too late for Arman, I don't even know what that really means. One of the things I love about Burst is they focus on the internal growth as characters and not just growth in Blading skill. Arman had a complete character arc where he really had to learn to value the good qualities he had to offer and it only once he began to value the things he brought to the table instead of comparing himself to Dante and Delta was he able to move forward not only as a blader but as a person. So I really don't think the "too late" point really tracks. When you get good material like that when a character grows both within and without, I don't think that angle really holds weight. Arman 

Blindt had given up on tournaments. He wasn't training, he was bored lol. He says so himself when Delta first comes to battle him. The Risen 3 themselves were never central to the overall story, when you look at the main arcs, they're not the focus of any of them really. They appear, but we're never central. Rise has basically three main story arcs; Bey Carnival, Battle Island, and Defense of the Blading World. The Risen 3 aren't central to any of those for the simple reason as it wasn't their story.

Ik they weren't all that relevant. All im saying is that it WOULD HAVE been cool to see more of them. Like they hype up these bladers but basically threw them out right when their introduce. Again im not calling amane bad, and im not saying he had bad development at all. He had a solid character but from when i watched it they dont put much focus on him until the final arc. Everyone can agree that throughout the majority of the season amane was only used to advertise new beys and opponents drum had to beat. Amane only got any real (yet really good) development when the season was already coming to an end. Everything up to that point was all up to drum and delta. Amane wanting to catch up to them was still a solid character point for him. He showed clear frustration that he couldnt catch up so he used that frustration as determination to improve himself And through that hard work he not only connected with ashura but activated gold turbo showing that they truely had a strong bond, he also wanted to make the victories a well known team. I even agreed with you when you made his character break down. But why do you think amane was fustrated? For the same reason i mentioned for a majority of the season he was left in the dust and irrelevant only used to advertise beys and opponents for drum. He doesnt have wasted potential  I like him, he had a cool design, bey, character arc but they only started touching on it at the end.

(Sep. 07, 2022  12:30 AM)God Dragruler Wrote: The thing with Lodin, Fumiya, Blind or Even Joe they never were meant to be devolped further they were simply use to hype up the Real cast. Blind for example was their to make Delta look better to evolved his gold turbo thing as for lodin he was simply their to promoted longinus to show the threat of a Longinus same apply with fumiya they difference os fumiya happen to have an actual personality that standout. Blind was also fun but they had set up that his more into painting while lodin was more into gymnastic the tone was already set,  if were talking about a wasted character my money would be on Pot hope and Arthur. Now why Arthur imo he should've been the final boss but was put aside for Gwynn (Nothing against Gwynn his actually my favorite out of GT). when i look at lodin he feels like a copy of Houi from cho z or a discount Xhaka.