(Jun. 24, 2022  3:50 PM)PokeSonicBey Wrote: Valt only lost because he didn't have quaddrive. He beat Bel when he had a quad bey. Also, Bel kinda doesn't care what other people rank stuff, he was undefeated, so he was the best.

(Jun. 24, 2022  4:14 PM)Needforspeed Wrote:

(Jun. 24, 2022  3:50 PM)PokeSonicBey Wrote: Valt only lost because he didn't have quaddrive. He beat Bel when he had a quad bey. Also, Bel kinda doesn't care what other people rank stuff, he was undefeated, so he was the best.

"Valt only lost because he didn't have quaddrive"

That's isn't a justifiable reason for valt to lose to bell. Valt has seen how bell battle even after he upraged his bey he still got beaten by bell and phenomeno multiple times in a underwhealming way that does not solidify his spot as the best overall.

"he was undefeated, so he was the best."

No he isn't, bell hasn't even beat valt yet post ultimate and with valt trashing on rashad the gap becomes more apparennt

(Jun. 24, 2022  4:14 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jun. 24, 2022  3:50 PM)PokeSonicBey Wrote: Valt only lost because he didn't have quaddrive. He beat Bel when he had a quad bey. Also, Bel kinda doesn't care what other people rank stuff, he was undefeated, so he was the best.

Bel wasn't undefeated. He lost a number of times. Valt thrashed him in their last battle. Then he thrashed Rashad 3-0 later in the season. Valt was clearly stronger than both of them. Best in the world.

(Jun. 24, 2022  4:30 PM)PokeSonicBey Wrote: Okay, what I meant by he's the best is he's the best to him. He doesn't really care. Also, I know it's not really a good reason, but that kind of plot armor is commonplace in the world of beyblade.

(Jun. 24, 2022  4:53 PM)Needforspeed Wrote:

(Jun. 24, 2022  4:30 PM)PokeSonicBey Wrote: Okay, what I meant by he's the best is he's the best to him. He doesn't really care. Also, I know it's not really a good reason, but that kind of plot armor is commonplace in the world of beyblade.

"what I meant by he's the best is he's the best to him. He doesn't really care."

Thats barely an excuse. Even after beating rashad bell still wants to beat valt if bell is truly believe hes the best he wouldn't even care to beat valt

"Also, I know it's not really a good reason, but that kind of plot armor is commonplace in the world of beyblade."

Thats literally the whole point of my previous post smh.

(Jun. 24, 2022  4:30 PM)PokeSonicBey Wrote:

(Jun. 24, 2022  4:14 PM)Needforspeed Wrote: "Valt only lost because he didn't have quaddrive"

That's isn't a justifiable reason for valt to lose to bell. Valt has seen how bell battle even after he upraged his bey he still got beaten by bell and phenomeno multiple times in a underwhealming way that does not solidify his spot as the best overall.

"he was undefeated, so he was the best."

No he isn't, bell hasn't even beat valt yet post ultimate and with valt trashing on rashad the gap becomes more apparennt

Okay, what I meant by he's the best is he's the best to him. He doesn't really care. Also, I know it's not really a good reason, but that kind of plot armor is commonplace in the world of beyblade.

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(Jun. 24, 2022  4:14 PM)Admiral W Wrote: Bel wasn't undefeated. He lost a number of times. Valt thrashed him in their last battle. Then he thrashed Rashad 3-0 later in the season. Valt was clearly stronger than both of them. Best in the world.

No, he is the best, he just needed an upgrade. This was already pretty much how beyblade works. Satomb almost breaks victory. Genesis wins by a lot. This is the same idea, but this time it's quaddrive.

(Jun. 24, 2022  8:10 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jun. 24, 2022  4:30 PM)PokeSonicBey Wrote: Okay, what I meant by he's the best is he's the best to him. He doesn't really care. Also, I know it's not really a good reason, but that kind of plot armor is commonplace in the world of beyblade.

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No, he is the best, he just needed an upgrade. This was already pretty much how beyblade works. Satomb almost breaks victory. Genesis wins by a lot. This is the same idea, but this time it's quaddrive.

Valt absolutely is the best. He absolutely wrecked Bel in their last battle and he smoked Rashad with a 3-0 victory. Valt was clearly stronger than them. Ultimate doesn't even use the overdrive system and Valt still whipped the floor with both of them. Using that upgrade analogy simply doesn't work. Valt is the best blader in the world.

(Jun. 24, 2022  8:10 PM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jun. 24, 2022  4:30 PM)PokeSonicBey Wrote: Okay, what I meant by he's the best is he's the best to him. He doesn't really care. Also, I know it's not really a good reason, but that kind of plot armor is commonplace in the world of beyblade.

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No, he is the best, he just needed an upgrade. This was already pretty much how beyblade works. Satomb almost breaks victory. Genesis wins by a lot. This is the same idea, but this time it's quaddrive.

Valt absolutely is the best. He absolutely wrecked Bel in their last battle and he smoked Rashad with a 3-0 victory. Valt was clearly stronger than them. Ultimate doesn't even use the overdrive system and Valt still whipped the floor with both of them. Using that upgrade analogy simply doesn't work. Valt is the best blader in the world.

(Jun. 24, 2022  11:04 PM)PokeSonicBey Wrote:

(Jun. 24, 2022  8:10 PM)Admiral W Wrote: Valt absolutely is the best. He absolutely wrecked Bel in their last battle and he smoked Rashad with a 3-0 victory. Valt was clearly stronger than them. Ultimate doesn't even use the overdrive system and Valt still whipped the floor with both of them. Using that upgrade analogy simply doesn't work. Valt is the best blader in the world.

Doesn't ultimate have quaddrive? I believe ultimate  valkyrie uses the dynamite battle system.

(Jun. 25, 2022  11:18 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: Btw Is Rantaro still a legendary blader? Ik he lost his rank in sparking  but i heard some say that DB stated that he was still indeed a legend through certain lines relating to Ranzo or with ranzo’s relationship with Rantaro.

(Jun. 25, 2022  11:18 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: Btw Is Rantaro still a legendary blader? Ik he lost his rank in sparking  but i heard some say that DB stated that he was still indeed a legend through certain lines relating to Ranzo or with ranzo’s relationship with Rantaro.

(Jun. 26, 2022  1:51 AM)God Dragruler Wrote:

(Jun. 25, 2022  11:18 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: Btw Is Rantaro still a legendary blader? Ik he lost his rank in sparking  but i heard some say that DB stated that he was still indeed a legend through certain lines relating to Ranzo or with ranzo’s relationship with Rantaro.

Yes Rantaro is still a legend he just lost his rank but not the status.

(Jun. 26, 2022  1:53 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jun. 25, 2022  11:18 PM)Phantom legend Wrote: Btw Is Rantaro still a legendary blader? Ik he lost his rank in sparking  but i heard some say that DB stated that he was still indeed a legend through certain lines relating to Ranzo or with ranzo’s relationship with Rantaro.

He's still a Legend. It was mentioned in Ranzo's DB bio. Also Rantaro didn't lose his status as a legend in the anime.

(Jun. 26, 2022  2:08 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Jun. 26, 2022  1:51 AM)God Dragruler Wrote: Yes Rantaro is still a legend he just lost his rank but not the status.

But wouldnt him losing his rank no longer make him a legend? Or is this a hyuga situation where they create a ranking that fits him. The rankings are confusing but Im just happy rantaro is still considered a legend.

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(Jun. 26, 2022  1:53 AM)Admiral W Wrote: He's still a Legend. It was mentioned in Ranzo's DB bio. Also Rantaro didn't lose his status as a legend in the anime.

Sorry if im asking too much but so in the anime he never lost his status but in the manga he did originally but was/is still called a legend after that?

(Jun. 26, 2022  2:45 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jun. 26, 2022  2:08 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: But wouldnt him losing his rank no longer make him a legend? Or is this a hyuga situation where they create a ranking that fits him. The rankings are confusing but Im just happy rantaro is still considered a legend.

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Sorry if im asking too much but so in the anime he never lost his status but in the manga he did originally but was/is still called a legend after that?

In the anime he never lost his status and ranking because neither Lain nor the Bros became Legends in the anime. They only became Legends in the manga.

(Jun. 26, 2022  2:57 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Jun. 26, 2022  2:45 AM)Admiral W Wrote: In the anime he never lost his status and ranking because neither Lain nor the Bros became Legends in the anime. They only became Legends in the manga.

Ah i see so so rantaro kept his status in the anime. But lost it in the manga, so hes no longer considered a legend in terms of the manga? Unless he kept the status but not the rank like god dragruler said but still thanks for the explanation.

(Jun. 26, 2022  3:52 AM)God Dragruler Wrote:

(Jun. 26, 2022  2:57 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: Ah i see so so rantaro kept his status in the anime. But lost it in the manga, so hes no longer considered a legend in terms of the manga? Unless he kept the status but not the rank like god dragruler said but still thanks for the explanation.

He also kept his legendary status an the manga its not different from the anime. They only difference is the #15 he has an the manga was lost cause of Lane. His like both the asahi Bros the got the legend status without being top 15. From understanding you don't lose the legend status even if your not top 15

(Jun. 26, 2022  2:57 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Jun. 26, 2022  2:45 AM)Admiral W Wrote: In the anime he never lost his status and ranking because neither Lain nor the Bros became Legends in the anime. They only became Legends in the manga.

Ah i see so so rantaro kept his status in the anime. But lost it in the manga, so hes no longer considered a legend in terms of the manga? Unless he kept the status but not the rank like god dragruler said but still thanks for the explanation.

(Jun. 26, 2022  3:55 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jun. 26, 2022  3:52 AM)God Dragruler Wrote: He also kept his legendary status an the manga its not different from the anime. They only difference is the #15 he has an the manga was lost cause of Lane. His like both the asahi Bros the got the legend status without being top 15. From understanding you don't lose the legend status even if your not top 15

Even this changed in the manga because Shu reclaimed his #2 position and Lain fell out of the Legend ranking so Rantaro is still #15 in the manga.

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(Jun. 26, 2022  2:57 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: Ah i see so so rantaro kept his status in the anime. But lost it in the manga, so hes no longer considered a legend in terms of the manga? Unless he kept the status but not the rank like god dragruler said but still thanks for the explanation.

Rantaro is a Legend in both the manga and the anime. He's ranked #15. There was a brief disruption when Lain joined which likely resulted in Rantaro being pushed down to #16 (though I don't remember a direct panel showing this) This didn't remain the case because Lain ended up falling out of the rankings after Shu defeated him and reclaimed his #2 spot.

At the end of sparking, the ranking is this

1. Valt Aoi
2. Shu Kurenai
3. Aiger Akabane
4. Free De La Hoya
5. Lui Shirosagi
6. Dante Koryu
7. Phi
8. Gwyn Reynolds
9. Delta Zakuro
10. Xander Shakadera
11. Silas Karlise
12. Zac Kaneguro
13. Wakiya Murasaki
14. Daigo Kurogami
15. Rantaro Kiyama
16. Hikaru Hizashi
17. Hyuga Hizashi

That should hopefully answer all of your questions.

(Jun. 26, 2022  3:55 AM)Admiral W Wrote:

(Jun. 26, 2022  3:52 AM)God Dragruler Wrote: He also kept his legendary status an the manga its not different from the anime. They only difference is the #15 he has an the manga was lost cause of Lane. His like both the asahi Bros the got the legend status without being top 15. From understanding you don't lose the legend status even if your not top 15

Even this changed in the manga because Shu reclaimed his #2 position and Lain fell out of the Legend ranking so Rantaro is still #15 in the manga.

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(Jun. 26, 2022  2:57 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: Ah i see so so rantaro kept his status in the anime. But lost it in the manga, so hes no longer considered a legend in terms of the manga? Unless he kept the status but not the rank like god dragruler said but still thanks for the explanation.

Rantaro is a Legend in both the manga and the anime. He's ranked #15. There was a brief disruption when Lain joined which likely resulted in Rantaro being pushed down to #16 (though I don't remember a direct panel showing this) This didn't remain the case because Lain ended up falling out of the rankings after Shu defeated him and reclaimed his #2 spot.

At the end of sparking, the ranking is this

1. Valt Aoi
2. Shu Kurenai
3. Aiger Akabane
4. Free De La Hoya
5. Lui Shirosagi
6. Dante Koryu
7. Phi
8. Gwyn Reynolds
9. Delta Zakuro
10. Xander Shakadera
11. Silas Karlise
12. Zac Kaneguro
13. Wakiya Murasaki
14. Daigo Kurogami
15. Rantaro Kiyama
16. Hikaru Hizashi
17. Hyuga Hizashi

That should hopefully answer all of your questions.

(Jun. 26, 2022  4:09 AM)God Dragruler Wrote:

(Jun. 26, 2022  3:55 AM)Admiral W Wrote: Even this changed in the manga because Shu reclaimed his #2 position and Lain fell out of the Legend ranking so Rantaro is still #15 in the manga.

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Rantaro is a Legend in both the manga and the anime. He's ranked #15. There was a brief disruption when Lain joined which likely resulted in Rantaro being pushed down to #16 (though I don't remember a direct panel showing this) This didn't remain the case because Lain ended up falling out of the rankings after Shu defeated him and reclaimed his #2 spot.

At the end of sparking, the ranking is this

1. Valt Aoi
2. Shu Kurenai
3. Aiger Akabane
4. Free De La Hoya
5. Lui Shirosagi
6. Dante Koryu
7. Phi
8. Gwyn Reynolds
9. Delta Zakuro
10. Xander Shakadera
11. Silas Karlise
12. Zac Kaneguro
13. Wakiya Murasaki
14. Daigo Kurogami
15. Rantaro Kiyama
16. Hikaru Hizashi
17. Hyuga Hizashi

That should hopefully answer all of your questions.

I want to make a small Correction Lane wasnt actually kick out he just drop when shu regain his #2 spot. Everyone drop un fact everyone simple drop one spot (thats a thing apparently) .

(Jun. 26, 2022  4:12 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Jun. 26, 2022  3:55 AM)Admiral W Wrote: Even this changed in the manga because Shu reclaimed his #2 position and Lain fell out of the Legend ranking so Rantaro is still #15 in the manga.

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Rantaro is a Legend in both the manga and the anime. He's ranked #15. There was a brief disruption when Lain joined which likely resulted in Rantaro being pushed down to #16 (though I don't remember a direct panel showing this) This didn't remain the case because Lain ended up falling out of the rankings after Shu defeated him and reclaimed his #2 spot.

At the end of sparking, the ranking is this

1. Valt Aoi
2. Shu Kurenai
3. Aiger Akabane
4. Free De La Hoya
5. Lui Shirosagi
6. Dante Koryu
7. Phi
8. Gwyn Reynolds
9. Delta Zakuro
10. Xander Shakadera
11. Silas Karlise
12. Zac Kaneguro
13. Wakiya Murasaki
14. Daigo Kurogami
15. Rantaro Kiyama
16. Hikaru Hizashi
17. Hyuga Hizashi

That should hopefully answer all of your questions.

Yes it did thank you very much. So lane got knocked from the legend rankings….interesting i thought his rank just went down to 3 after shu beat him but apparently he was kicked from the legend rankings entirely. I wonder if the same actually happend with rashad since he was never called a legendary blader even when he was the no.1 and even after he lost it. Imma just say this in advance but sorry for the questions its like when i get an answer another question appears the manga rankings are so confusing.
Edit: just saw what dragruler said lane only dropped one?

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(Jun. 26, 2022  4:09 AM)God Dragruler Wrote: I want to make a small Correction Lane wasnt actually kick out he just drop when shu regain his #2 spot. Everyone drop un fact everyone simple drop one spot (thats a thing apparently) .

So lane only dropped one? So lane is currently no.3?
If its ok to ask is there possibly a ranking list after DB that explains the current ranking?
All ik is Valt is. No.1 due to the champion title not being connected to the no.1 rank.

(Jun. 26, 2022  4:47 AM)God Dragruler Wrote:

(Jun. 26, 2022  4:12 AM)Phantom legend Wrote: Yes it did thank you very much. So lane got knocked from the legend rankings….interesting i thought his rank just went down to 3 after shu beat him but apparently he was kicked from the legend rankings entirely. I wonder if the same actually happend with rashad since he was never called a legendary blader even when he was the no.1 and even after he lost it. Imma just say this in advance but sorry for the questions its like when i get an answer another question appears the manga rankings are so confusing.
Edit: just saw what dragruler said lane only dropped one?

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So lane only dropped one? So lane is currently no.3?
If its ok to ask is there possibly a ranking list after DB that explains the current ranking?
All ik is Valt is. No.1 due to the champion title not being connected to the no.1 rank.

DB has no ranking. It was avoid for some reason we just know Rashad somehow and someway became #1 blader an the World but not mention of the full ranking, but shu, lui and free are still clasify as legendary bladers. If the drop one rank is still valid the ranking is still the same with just Rashad in it. The rest like ranzo, basara or Bell never battle for ranking or official Match Rashad was the only one competing at high level. The legend status seems to be given depending on feats and accomplishments, Rashad probaly dont have that status cause he hasnt achieve it yet. So nothing really change by narrative Rashad would be 2nd but i doubt he would their if the other 3 take actions an battle him their strength isnt inferrior to Valt at all an Valt can beat Rashad so.... At best Rashad would top 5 without narrative

(Jun. 26, 2022  7:42 AM)g2_ Wrote: I miss the Burst anime. 😭😭😭

(Jun. 26, 2022  4:57 AM)Phantom legend Wrote:

(Jun. 26, 2022  4:47 AM)God Dragruler Wrote: DB has no ranking. It was avoid for some reason we just know Rashad somehow and someway became #1 blader an the World but not mention of the full ranking, but shu, lui and free are still clasify as legendary bladers. If the drop one rank is still valid the ranking is still the same with just Rashad in it. The rest like ranzo, basara or Bell never battle for ranking or official Match Rashad was the only one competing at high level. The legend status seems to be given depending on feats and accomplishments, Rashad probaly dont have that status cause he hasnt achieve it yet. So nothing really change by narrative Rashad would be 2nd but i doubt he would their if the other 3 take actions an battle him their strength isnt inferrior to Valt at all an Valt can beat Rashad so.... At best Rashad would top 5 without narrative

Thank you for the explanation. The rankings have always kinda been confusing mainly in the terms of the manga. I also agree with that part to an extent. Hikaru said something about how all legends arent just legends off of pure strength alone but the things they accomplished as well (i think). I think i got a clear understanding to an extent i thought the reasons they were called legends was because of the…well… legend ranking but its also because of the things they accomplished. But im just happy rantaro is still officially a legendary blader (like u said before?) like the other legends and that both the Anime and Manga ultimately ends with Valt standing as the worlds top blader, the “legend of legends”- the no.1 ranked and strongest blader in the world.

Edit: i might do some research and make a ranking list for after DB.