(Oct. 03, 2009  12:32 AM)Bey Brad Wrote: I THINK BEYBLADE SHOULD BE AT THE OLYMPICS

fragbait Wrote:Incorrect sir. My High School research project was over gaming as a sport, and Encyclopedia Brittanica defines sport as
Competitive activity played in individually or in a team.

All of my 3 judges (including community leaders and teachers) agreed with my statement of Gaming (when organized) as a sport, which in turn classifies competitive gamers as Sports players.
Also, referencing your own def. of Athlete, while a Smash Player does not use all three aspects of athleticism, 2 of three are used, and 66% is still a majority. Also, those were referenced as general aspects, but not explicitly defined as athletic aspects. Therefore, by the specific part of the definition, which was
involving the use of physical skills or capabilities
Well, you have to have the physical skill to use the controller in order to perform what you want to. Muscle memory and dexterity are also physical skills.
Also, all sports as you define them are also games. Now, of course, I'm not saying the opposite is true, but doesn't that also make Athletes, professional Gamers? Since we define gamers as anyone who takes gaming seriously.
Furthermore, yes, you can tell the difference between NFL2k9 and real Football, as just playing NFL (or madden or whatever) isn't a sport, because sport also, requires competition, and competing with a CPU definatly isn't competion.
That's why ESPN and other sports outlets have begun covering gaming, such as MLG being covered by ESPN's camera crews, and having it's own Sportscenter top 10 show.

Quote:Though I do think it should be pointed out that just because you aren't doing full-fledged tackles doesn't mean it doesn't involve agility or anything. There's a reason I'll play video games with people who rarely play games, and then after a half an hour they'll ask me how I can stand playing for so long so frequently because their hands hurt now.

It's because it does take stamina, strength, and agility, it's just that it's solely in the hands.

Quote:Smash IS a sport.

If you're fingers are in bad shape you can't play well. You'll do really badly if you do something like climbing mountains the day before a tourney. Thats because it PHYSICALLY strains your HANDS.

Fragbait Wrote:They did cover the MTG pro tour one year XD Card games are the only game I won't defend as sports.

(Oct. 03, 2009  12:39 AM)Bey Brad Wrote: hahaha fragbait you hypocrite



so smash is a sport but magic the gathering isn't. nice

(Oct. 03, 2009  12:40 AM)BeyKid Wrote: Sport is usually physical things and gaming isn't, so i disagree, i think gaming shouldn'nt be a sport.

(Oct. 03, 2009  12:38 AM)fragbait Wrote:
So...
Does anyone with an informed opinion wanna chime in here?

fragbait Wrote:Competition is meant to be as equal as possible. Magic isn't. MTG doesn't require any aspects of athleticism (don't confuse luck for skill). Most of card games are luck of the draw. That's why MTG, YGO, Poker, or any other card game, are almost undefendable as sports.

(Oct. 03, 2009  12:44 AM)Bey Brad Wrote: You want an informed opinion? OK, here's my opinion. My opinion is that it is completely embarrassing that someone so immature, someone who is so focused on such trivial things, is allowed to have a child. That you would attempt to validate your meager accomplishments in a video game by equating them to actual athletes, instead of finding a more valuable way to spend your time.

My feeling is that sports require some sort of athleticism. Video gaming doesn't really require that, it's hard to equate pressing a diagonal angle and a button in a certain procession with being able to hit a ball at 90mph or other feats that are necessitated by most sports. In the same vein, I do not feel that chess or poker are sports either, which is explained in my next paragraph. But then again, I'm not so insecure as you and some others evidently are; I do not see the word "game" as being a derogatory statement, but as I said, I am not trying to validate trivial accomplishments.

It's also of my opinion -- and I realize that I can't back this up by typing in a word on dictionary.com and pasting the definition, so it may be invalid to you -- that a sport cannot be legally owned by a single entity; it is public domain.

That's my informed opinion.

(Oct. 03, 2009  12:46 AM)fragbait Wrote: The game itself isn't the sport, the competition is. That's like saying that the Football used to play the game is a sport.

(Oct. 03, 2009  12:46 AM)fragbait Wrote: Don't bring my personal life into this. This is meant as a friendly debate, not as personal attacks.

Quote:1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
A sport is something which requires skill or physicall prowess. Smash would fall under the "skill" banner. Look at the highlighted sports. Racing, hunting and fishing. Hardly sports for which you need extensive physical prowess. In racing, it's all about your ability to steer, tactics, etc. In hunting, it's about marksmanship and possibly being able to lift a gun. In fishing, it's about... I don't really know what fishing it all about, but it doesn't require that much physical strength/"prowess" unless you're fishing for giant sharks or mega octopi or something.

(Oct. 03, 2009  12:50 AM)Bey Brad Wrote: No, it is not. In a game, you are not directly interacting with the elements of the game; you are sending actions to an avatar inside the game, an avatar that is a part of the game itself, in which the game interprets your commands, relays them to the avatar, and the avatar reacts accordingly.

And no, it is not like saying that. It is saying that the act of playing football is a sport.

(Oct. 03, 2009  12:54 AM)Ominous Wrote: This post made me laugh because he tries to make a point without any understanding of what he's dismissing. I'll also state that it's pretty lame and ignorant to equate card games to mere luck, as there is a great deal of strategy involved (and yes, even in poker).

Quote:Regardless of what you classify competitive gaming as, they will never hold a flame to traditional sports in the eyes of society. Considering that not only do you have to be strategic and quick-thinking in traditional sports, but also in remarkable physical condition as well, people will always recognize and respect a professional hockey player over someone who can play Smash Bros pretty well.

Quote:Moreover, there are limitations built within the medium of "e-sports" that traditional sports will never have to face. Competitive play in video games can be hindered by design flaws (bugs) and poor balancing, which are either impossible to fix (console games), or very difficult to fix and impossible to perfect (StarCraft, etc).

Quote:While you may argue (either successfully or unsuccessfully - most likely the latter) that it takes equivalent effort to become pro in let's say, soccer, compared to a video game, I'll state that maintaining a harmonious balance between you physical body (and not just your fingers), and your mental capacity is quite arduous, but a testament to what we are capable of as human beings.

Quote:Being more specific, Yes, SORA LTD. does own Smash, the sole entity.
They don't own the competition.
One person or one organization can own a football, but they don't own the game that's played by it.

(Oct. 03, 2009  12:58 AM)Synesthesia Wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport Wikipedia says that this discussion has been done to death so much that there is no concrete definition anymore.

(Oct. 03, 2009  1:01 AM)Bey Brad Wrote: that doesn't mean people still won't make incredibly dumb arguments about it

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everything's a sport. we're all athletes. hurray us

(Oct. 03, 2009  1:03 AM)BeyKid Wrote: Gaming as a sport would be boring just imagine a stadium of people watching a few people playing a video game, it wouldn't be very entertaining.

(Oct. 03, 2009  12:59 AM)Ominous Wrote: It takes skill to do a lot of things. It takes skill to act, to cook, and to memorize Shakespeare.

(Oct. 03, 2009  1:01 AM)Bey Brad Wrote: that doesn't mean people still won't make incredibly dumb arguments about it

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everything's a sport. we're all athletes. hurray us