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A230 Discussion - Bobmcdoogal - Sep. 29, 2012

I just received my BBG-13 and I was wondering if A230 has good Stamina

Here is my Solo Spin Testing for A230
Equipment:
Beylauncher
Launcher Grip
Grip Rubber
Grip Extension
Launcher Rubber
BB-10 Attack Stadium

MF-F Phantom Cancer A230D
1. 3:33
2. 3:00
3. 2:51
4. 3:08
5. 4:04
Average: 3:19

MF-F Phantom Cancer 230D
1. 3:16
2. 3:23
3. 3:24
4. 3:02
5. 3:09
Average: 3:15

MF-H Variares(Right Spin) A230R²F vs MSF Revizer Revizer SA165(Attack)CS
Variares: 11 wins(All KO) 55%
Revizer: 9 wins(5 OS, 4 KO) 45%
2 Ties and all ties were redone

MF-H Variares(Right Spin) 230R²F vs MSF Revizer Revizer SA165(Attack)CS
Variares: 11 wins(All KO) 55%
Revizer: 9 wins(2 OS and 7 KO) 45%
3 Ties and all ties were redone
Most of Revizer`s KOs were wall saves

MF-H Duo(Stamina) Cygnus A230MB vs MF-F Phantom(Stamina) Cancer W145WD

A230 20 wins(All OS)
Phantom: 0 wins
A230 Win Rate: 100%

RE: A230 Discussion - Tri - Sep. 29, 2012

Even if it has good spin time, it has too much recoil to be used for stamina or Defence.

RE: A230 Discussion - beybladefoever - Sep. 29, 2012

Tri Wrote:Even if it has good spin time, it has too much recoil to be used for stamina or Defence.
I agree with Tri. This track is too big, therefore the recoil cancels out the stamina

RE: A230 Discussion - Raigeko13 - Sep. 29, 2012

Finally, something on A230! Thanks Bobmcdoogal.

Even though it's quite obvious it's not that great for defense, could you do some comparative testing between MF-H Duo Aquario A230CS and one with just a normal 230? If you have MB too, it'd be awesome to see some testing on it as well (MF-H Duo Aquario/Cygnus 230MB).

RE: A230 Discussion - Bobmcdoogal - Sep. 29, 2012

(Sep. 29, 2012  4:43 PM)Raigeko13 Wrote: Finally, something on A230! Thanks Bobmcdoogal.

Even though it's quite obvious it's not that great for defense, could you do some comparative testing between MF-H Duo Aquario A230CS and one with just a normal 230? If you have MB too, it'd be awesome to see some testing on it as well (MF-H Duo Aquario/Cygnus 230MB).
I would love to do that but I only have 1 Duo but I can do it with MF-H Basalt Aquario A230CS vs MF-H Basalt Aquario 230CS if you want



RE: A230 Discussion - Raigeko13 - Sep. 29, 2012

Well, not against each other! Sorry for not pointing that out.

I want comparative results of MF-H Duo (Stamina Mode) Aquario/Cygnus 230MB and MF-H Duo (Stamina Mode) Aquario Cygnus A230MB against a Flash Attack variant, and a Phantom Stamina setup (given you have them both.)

RE: A230 Discussion - Bobmcdoogal - Sep. 29, 2012

(Sep. 29, 2012  5:12 PM)Raigeko13 Wrote: Well, not against each other! Sorry for not pointing that out.

I want comparative results of MF-H Duo (Stamina Mode) Aquario/Cygnus 230MB and MF-H Duo (Stamina Mode) Aquario Cygnus A230MB against a Flash Attack variant, and a Phantom Stamina setup (given you have them both.)
Well againest Phantom yes but Flash no because my Flash is worn and it can't perform like a brand new one.

RE: A230 Discussion - Raigeko13 - Sep. 29, 2012

Hey, it'll still work, haha. Thanks!

RE: A230 Discussion - Bobmcdoogal - Sep. 29, 2012

(Sep. 29, 2012  5:37 PM)Raigeko13 Wrote: Hey, it'll still work, haha. Thanks!
Ok I'll do the tests sometime tonight or tomorrow night

RE: A230 Discussion - -Vulcan- - Sep. 29, 2012

Could you try attack tests with A230? It was mentioned on this blog that A230 works really well as an attack track.

RE: A230 Discussion - Raigeko13 - Sep. 29, 2012

I feel like an idiot for not mentioning that too, lol. That was the first thing that popped into my head when I first saw A230.

If you have Variares, try something like MF Variares A230R2F.

RE: A230 Discussion - Nearr - Sep. 29, 2012

I tried a pretty popular combo in NY: Diablo Bull 230GCF (swaying) instead with A230. Can you try them both out and see any movement/attack patterns (witch one is better) in the Zero G stadium.

RE: A230 Discussion - Bobmcdoogal - Sep. 29, 2012

(Sep. 29, 2012  9:48 PM)Néar Wrote: I tried a pretty popular combo in NY: Diablo Bull 230GCF (swaying) instead with A230. Can you try them both out and see any movement/attack patterns (witch one is better) in the Zero G stadium.
I don't have GCF
EDIT: Here are the tests for Raigeko13 and I compared it to 230 and it seems the same.
Equipment:
Beylauncher
Launcher Grip
Grip Rubber
Grip Extension
Launcher Rubber
BB-10 Attack Stadium
MF-H Variares(Right Spin) A230R²F vs MSF Revizer Revizer SA165(Attack)CS
Variares: 11 wins(All KO) 55%
Revizer: 9 wins(5 OS, 4 KO) 45%
2 Ties and all ties were redone

MF-H Variares(Right Spin) 230R²F vs MSF Revizer Revizer SA165(Attack)CS
Variares: 11 wins(All KO) 55%
Revizer: 9 wins(2 OS and 7 KO) 45%
3 Ties and all ties were redone
Most of Revizer`s KOs were wall saves




RE: A230 Discussion - BEYDEXTER - Sep. 30, 2012

What ! variaries ko ing reviser reviser
With 55%
Flash only reached 45%

RE: A230 Discussion - Kai-V - Sep. 30, 2012

Since when does VariAres do well at 230 though ?

RE: A230 Discussion - Bobmcdoogal - Sep. 30, 2012

(Sep. 30, 2012  5:34 AM)Kai-V Wrote: Since when does VariAres do well at 230 though ?
Probably because SA165 meets the same height as A230/230R²F and the speed of R²F gets quick KO's

RE: A230 Discussion - th!nk - Sep. 30, 2012

Quote:MF-F Phantom Cancer A230D
1. 3:33
2. 3:00
3. 2:51
4. 3:08
5. 4:04
Average: 3:19

MF-F Phantom Cancer 230D
1. 3:16
2. 3:23
3. 3:24
4. 3:02
5. 3:09
Average: 3:15

That 4:04 looks outlierish to me, or at least indicates that more than 5 solo spins will be needed to determine which is better.

Even if the difference were significant (and with 5 tests each, a four second difference is not a Significant Difference (i.e. it doesn't tell us ANYTHING about which is better), Solo Spin is simply Not Valid for comparing A230 and 230 - one has very low recoil while the other has all this stupid junk going on that is going to cost a lot of stamina when hit.

As for Attack: TH170 will give you much more versatility for a Tall Attack Track (which is a bad idea anyway), and you haven't tested against a useful opponent: there's not much testing on SA165 defensively, and I personally doubt Attack Mode is going to be the best choice for it against something that isn't hitting the track but is instead hitting from above, good LAD is much more useful for this.
Secondly, even you have just admitted SA165 has a bad height matchup here which means it's not going to give a fair representation of A230's abilities.

Plus, my usual complaints about Tall Track Attack apply: We don't have any established wheels that have good contact points for hitting from above so BD145 is usually going to laugh at their failed attempts to do anything.

RE: A230 Discussion - -Vulcan- - Oct. 01, 2012

Yeah, can you try attack tests again, but against a low track defense combo?

RE: A230 Discussion - Meow! - Oct. 01, 2012

I don't see why it would matter....anything on 230/A230 will get destroyed by attackers, regarless of whether A230 has more recoil or not.

What we really nead to test A230 against, is common stamina types. Not many people use LTSCs anymore, so the shape of A230 might not really be as big of an issue as we think. I do own A230 and I have tested in informally and it does seem to be slightly better for stamina than 230.

But again, something inside of me feels that pure stamina types will become irrelevant in the near future. Any classic stamina type today will be screwed by any Dragooon combinations (Which makes up most of the Defense and Stamina combos anyway) and will get koed by attackers. I feel like MFB/Zero-G is becoming more like HMS.

Edit: Nvm I though he was referring to a low track attack combo vs an A230 combination.



RE: A230 Discussion - Bobmcdoogal - Oct. 17, 2012

I did Raigeko13's request MF-H Duo Cygnus A230MB vs MF-F Phantom Cancer W145WD

Equipment:
Beylauncher LR
Launcher Grip
Blue Beypointer
Grip Rubber
Grip Extension
Launcher Rubber
Metal Assist
BB-10 Attack Stadium

MF-H Duo(Stamina) Cygnus A230MB vs MF-F Phantom(Stamina) Cancer W145WD

A230 20 wins(All OS)
Phantom: 0 wins
A230 Win Rate: 100%





RE: A230 Discussion - akio314 - Oct. 17, 2012

Wow, 20 out of 20! Will MB find usage again?

RE: A230 Discussion - slyx - Oct. 17, 2012

(Oct. 17, 2012  2:23 AM)Akio314 Wrote: Wow, 20 out of 20! Will MB find usage again?

not sure what you mean by "again", when duo 230 MB balance combos have been placing all this time.. xD



RE: A230 Discussion - Ultimo - Oct. 21, 2012

-I request a comparison of A230 D/MB and 230 D/MB.

-Also, I want to see how A230 D/MB fares against W145 WD.

RE: A230 Discussion - Diablo-Beyz DBZ - Feb. 16, 2013

I just got BBG-25 and did some test battles of Killerken Balro vs My basalt BD145 Worn Rs
And when basalt Hits A230 It got knocked out .I'll be doing a test later since i just got it

RE: A230 Discussion - Bobmcdoogal - Feb. 16, 2013

(Feb. 16, 2013  2:57 PM)DiabloVirgo Wrote: I just got BBG-25 and did some test battles of Killerken Balro vs My basalt BD145 Worn Rs
And when basalt Hits A230 It got knocked out .I'll be doing a test later since i just got it
Don't use Basalt and a worn RS, I can try Killerken Begirados or something like that since I have MSF-H Revizer Revizer E230RS