Splitting this out of the thread it was in, as this was technically offtopic. But I'd still like to tackle some of the points listed here anyway.
(Jun. 15, 2021 11:07 PM)DeceasedCrab Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun. 15, 2021 11:00 PM)USN Wrote: [ -> ]Are you guys removing the whole 50 posts thing? That would probably be for the best.
They really shouldn't. It's there for a reason and it makes things very clear in determining who wants to host a tournament just to have one to attend, and who will actually read and follow the rules. 50 decent posts isn't a lot to ask.
This, pretty much. DC obviously has an understanding of our internal expectations from his time on Staff with us, but we do very much see our 50 post restriction as one of those things that we don't like having, but is effective at deterring people who aren't serious about being an Organizer. Or it creates a situation where people spam to reach a high post count, and we immediately discount them from the Organizer's Quiz because of that lack of maturity to either get there properly or to just ask us for an exception to the clause, which we do offer to people if we think they'd do well.
The issue is that it does create a situation where people do spam post (though I think many do it anyway, regardless of the existence of the Organizer's Quiz), so it's a difficult clause to want to keep sometimes. We honestly do hate it, but both the quantity and quality of applications we used to receive when we had no restriction was just...yeah...not great at times (though also superb at other times).
We don't think it's a lot to ask of people. But I think our internal expectations differ from how things are realistically, so we are rethinking how best we could approach this while still being fair to those that are new and showing promise.
(Jun. 15, 2021 11:11 PM)USN Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun. 15, 2021 11:07 PM)DeceasedCrab Wrote: [ -> ]They really shouldn't. It's there for a reason and it makes things very clear in determining who wants to host a tournament just to have one to attend, and who will actually read and follow the rules. 50 decent posts isn't a lot to ask.
I agree with that, but it just leads to spam posting. Every new person I have seen that says they want to become and organizer, has spam posted to get there. It's a good idea, but unless the staff check to see if the posts are productive before reviewing the application, then it doesn't really help.
This echoes the above. Though I will say that we do check a user's posts to see whether they didn't take the restriction seriously and "spammed" to get around it. Some do slip through the cracks (which I have seen some recently do just that), but it is something we do look at at the same time.
Yet at the same time, it's also a bit difficult to judge too. Say you have User A who has 1000 posts, largely from spamming but has some actual input mixed into that. Their application also passes the test because they read the rulebook correctly too. What do you ultimately do?
Part of our Organizer's Quiz upgrade involves us moving away from strictly following the rulebook and Organizer's Guide, and also evaluating other areas too. Questions will be asked about yourself, what you do, how you would approach situations that aren't so conventional that they're written in a guide somewhere. And some of these questions won't be asked in your initial application anymore either, instead being asked in a latter step and on a different medium.
Ultimately, with these changes, we're judging your maturity, who you are and whether you meet our strict standards to run large-scale events and be the face of the WBO during those events, whereas before we honestly feel we haven't been strict enough at times.
(Yes, I'm intentionally being vague about this, as an announcement will go live eventually to detail our new approach and explain everything much better than I am right now.)
(Jun. 15, 2021 11:53 PM)Super A Wrote: [ -> ]good idea because I was spamming every thread I came across last week now im trying to keep it to 10 posts a thread other than my 25 form last week
In the nicest way, the fact that you're the user we've moderated the most this week tells us that actions speak much louder than words, haha. What you're saying there is a little better than what you've been doing, but even 10 posts per thread at the rate you've been doing them is...really not what we'd like to see, and would be a massive contributing factor to why we're having to moderate you so much.
You simply shouldn't be spamming at all. I can only suggest that you don't look at your post count (a big post count certainly does not make you a better user or make you immune to anything), and look more towards quality discussion within the forum. Engage in actual discussions (not quick burst conversations), find topics that everyone is interested in etc.
If you're looking for quick-fire discussions, I can only recommend looking at our
Discord server instead, which exists largely for that exact purpose; having rapid back-and-forth informal discussions with other Bladers, where moderation and quality of posting is far less strict (with exception to profanity rules, that's still strict), and you're less likely to get moderated for everything you post.
A forum is ultimately a bulletin board and isn't suitable for the types of discussion that I think not only yourself, but many users on the site want to use it for. It's suited for slower, high-quality discussions, rather than fast-paced conversations about the tinyest of details, or about simply about nothing at all as some users use this for.
TL;DR:
Discord exists, and we recommend you use it if you want to have a conversation rather than a high-quality discussion.
