(Jan. 16, 2021 2:38 AM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan. 16, 2021 1:34 AM)valtaoi_007 Wrote: [ -> ]what do they mean
all I know is that is a way to recognize your disc if the other is using the same one and also a way to recognize if its a fake or not
but it can be just that right?
No no no, 4 star discs/double Chassis are heavier, a 4 star 0 fits better into a burst stopper than a two star, it's not like the diff is 0.1 grams too, it's noticeable I'd you weigh them in your hand
Fairly certain this is not true. A quote from Kei: "
[font="Source Sans Pro", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]They're just meant to be a method of differentiating your parts from others when battling in case you come up against an opponent using the same Disk and you both burst.[/font]
[font="Source Sans Pro", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Some Bladers prefer using 4 Star Disks as they are purportedly more balanced."[/font]
[font="Source Sans Pro", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]From thread: https://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Answere...f-the-disk.[/font]
I definitely trust that Kei knows what they're talking about.
(Jan. 16, 2021 5:26 AM)GrinAndBarrett Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan. 16, 2021 2:38 AM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote: [ -> ]No no no, 4 star discs/double Chassis are heavier, a 4 star 0 fits better into a burst stopper than a two star, it's not like the diff is 0.1 grams too, it's noticeable I'd you weigh them in your hand
Fairly certain this is not true. A quote from Kei: "[font="Source Sans Pro", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]They're just meant to be a method of differentiating your parts from others when battling in case you come up against an opponent using the same Disk and you both burst.[/font]
[font="Source Sans Pro", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Some Bladers prefer using 4 Star Disks as they are purportedly more balanced."[/font]
[font="Source Sans Pro", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]From thread: https://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Answere...f-the-disk.[/font]
I definitely trust that Kei knows what they're talking about.
Huh, interesting, I use weighing scales and there is a difference, I fit forge discs on burst stoppers and the four star ones are tighter, perhaps Kei was talking about a practical method of identification, cos its true if you and opponent burst you can use stars to differentiate. What is your opinion on this matter
? Plus I actually test this out and it's not a random prediction. Do note I only have TT discs though.
(Jan. 16, 2021 9:08 AM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan. 16, 2021 5:26 AM)GrinAndBarrett Wrote: [ -> ]Fairly certain this is not true. A quote from Kei: "[font="Source Sans Pro", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]They're just meant to be a method of differentiating your parts from others when battling in case you come up against an opponent using the same Disk and you both burst.[/font]
[font="Source Sans Pro", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Some Bladers prefer using 4 Star Disks as they are purportedly more balanced."[/font]
[font="Source Sans Pro", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]From thread: https://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Answere...f-the-disk.[/font]
I definitely trust that Kei knows what they're talking about.
Huh, interesting, I use weighing scales and there is a difference, I fit forge discs on burst stoppers and the four star ones are tighter, perhaps Kei was talking about a practical method of identification, cos its true if you and opponent burst you can use stars to differentiate. What is your opinion on this matter ? Plus I actually test this out and it's not a random prediction. Do note I only have TT discs though.
Can you post pictures of those discs on the scale? How many pairs of discs do you have that follow this pattern? If you have one disc duplicate and their weights correlates to the number of stars, that is not confirmation. Earlier you said you were weighing them with your hands and could feel a difference (which is essentially impossible for the potential weight differences we're talking about). The other poster, 6Jupiter5 says they have weighed them and not found those weight differences.
(Jan. 16, 2021 5:52 PM)GrinAndBarrett Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan. 16, 2021 9:08 AM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote: [ -> ]Huh, interesting, I use weighing scales and there is a difference, I fit forge discs on burst stoppers and the four star ones are tighter, perhaps Kei was talking about a practical method of identification, cos its true if you and opponent burst you can use stars to differentiate. What is your opinion on this matter ? Plus I actually test this out and it's not a random prediction. Do note I only have TT discs though.
Can you post pictures of those discs on the scale? How many pairs of discs do you have that follow this pattern? If you have one disc duplicate and their weights correlates to the number of stars, that is not confirmation. Earlier you said you were weighing them with your hands and could feel a difference (which is essentially impossible for the potential weight differences we're talking about). The other poster, 6Jupiter5 says they have weighed them and not found those weight differences.
My phone's camera is spoilt, also I meant that if you weight it in your hand there is a noticable difference, perhaps the difference of the weighing scale is wrong cos I haven't checked for a long time. I think it's likely within one gram
Also I already mentioned that Jupiter5's discs were hasbro and mine was takara Tomy. I have 4 Pairs of 4 star 00s and 2 star 00s, the weight difference is present for all.
While you may disagree with me cos you can't feel the weight difference, at least try the burst stopper difference I highlighted
(Jan. 17, 2021 12:52 AM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan. 16, 2021 5:52 PM)GrinAndBarrett Wrote: [ -> ]Can you post pictures of those discs on the scale? How many pairs of discs do you have that follow this pattern? If you have one disc duplicate and their weights correlates to the number of stars, that is not confirmation. Earlier you said you were weighing them with your hands and could feel a difference (which is essentially impossible for the potential weight differences we're talking about). The other poster, 6Jupiter5 says they have weighed them and not found those weight differences.
My phone's camera is spoilt, also I meant that if you weight it in your hand there is a noticable difference, perhaps the difference of the weighing scale is wrong cos I haven't checked for a long time. I think it's likely within one gram
Also I already mentioned that Jupiter5's discs were hasbro and mine was takara Tomy. I have 4 Pairs of 4 star 00s and 2 star 00s, the weight difference is present for all.
While you may disagree with me cos you can't feel the weight difference, at least try the burst stopper difference I highlighted
And I'm telling you that you would not be able to feel a difference of less than one gram. Do you have a scale? If so, to how many decimal places?
(Jan. 17, 2021 12:52 AM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan. 16, 2021 5:52 PM)GrinAndBarrett Wrote: [ -> ]Can you post pictures of those discs on the scale? How many pairs of discs do you have that follow this pattern? If you have one disc duplicate and their weights correlates to the number of stars, that is not confirmation. Earlier you said you were weighing them with your hands and could feel a difference (which is essentially impossible for the potential weight differences we're talking about). The other poster, 6Jupiter5 says they have weighed them and not found those weight differences.
My phone's camera is spoilt, also I meant that if you weight it in your hand there is a noticable difference, perhaps the difference of the weighing scale is wrong cos I haven't checked for a long time. I think it's likely within one gram
Also I already mentioned that Jupiter5's discs were hasbro and mine was takara Tomy. I have 4 Pairs of 4 star 00s and 2 star 00s, the weight difference is present for all.
While you may disagree with me cos you can't feel the weight difference, at least try the burst stopper difference I highlighted
There's no evidence to support the idea that 4 star disks are heavier. Meanwhile, the weight difference between two of the same disk, from the same company, is miniscule at best. Also, the notion that everyone's weighing scales are incorrect and that you can actually tell the difference in weight (which is usually less than a gram) with your hands is illogical, and reminds me of the "I'm just built different" meme.
(Jan. 17, 2021 1:00 AM)BladerGem Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan. 17, 2021 12:52 AM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote: [ -> ]My phone's camera is spoilt, also I meant that if you weight it in your hand there is a noticable difference, perhaps the difference of the weighing scale is wrong cos I haven't checked for a long time. I think it's likely within one gram
Also I already mentioned that Jupiter5's discs were hasbro and mine was takara Tomy. I have 4 Pairs of 4 star 00s and 2 star 00s, the weight difference is present for all.
While you may disagree with me cos you can't feel the weight difference, at least try the burst stopper difference I highlighted
There's no evidence to support the idea that 4 star disks are heavier. Meanwhile, the weight difference between two of the same disk, from the same company, is miniscule at best. Also, the notion that everyone's weighing scales are incorrect and that you can actually tell the difference in weight (which is usually less than a gram) with your hands is illogical, and reminds me of the "I'm just built different" meme.
Like I said, I may be wrong, but so far I found it true for all my discs, even paradox! However the weight difference is noticable if you throw the disc up in the air and let it land on your hand, the heavier one should land harder.
Even if I'm wrong about the weight.
Just try the burst stopper one, that one is more noticable. Try on Lord too. If your burst stopper is worn until your 2 star 0 disc can't feel it, do a 4 star 0 disc and feel the difference
Also If you say I can't feel a diff that's within a gram, that means it's more
(Jan. 17, 2021 1:20 AM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan. 17, 2021 1:00 AM)BladerGem Wrote: [ -> ]There's no evidence to support the idea that 4 star disks are heavier. Meanwhile, the weight difference between two of the same disk, from the same company, is miniscule at best. Also, the notion that everyone's weighing scales are incorrect and that you can actually tell the difference in weight (which is usually less than a gram) with your hands is illogical, and reminds me of the "I'm just built different" meme.
Like I said, I may be wrong, but so far I found it true for all my discs, even paradox! However the weight difference is noticable if you throw the disc up in the air and let it land on your hand, the heavier one should land harder.
Even if I'm wrong about the weight.
Just try the burst stopper one, that one is more noticable. Try on Lord too. If your burst stopper is worn until your 2 star 0 disc can't feel it, do a 4 star 0 disc and feel the difference
Also If you say I can't feel a diff that's within a gram, that means it's more
Dude, I'm sorry, but this is not evidence. Unless you have a scale and you can show something concrete your arguments hold no weight. What you're experiencing is most likely something called confirmation bias.
(Jan. 17, 2021 1:26 AM)GrinAndBarrett Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan. 17, 2021 1:20 AM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote: [ -> ]Like I said, I may be wrong, but so far I found it true for all my discs, even paradox! However the weight difference is noticable if you throw the disc up in the air and let it land on your hand, the heavier one should land harder.
Even if I'm wrong about the weight.
Just try the burst stopper one, that one is more noticable. Try on Lord too. If your burst stopper is worn until your 2 star 0 disc can't feel it, do a 4 star 0 disc and feel the difference
Also If you say I can't feel a diff that's within a gram, that means it's more
Dude, I'm sorry, but this is not evidence. Unless you have a scale and you can show something concrete your arguments hold no weight. What you're experiencing is most likely something called confirmation bias.
Alright then, weight-wise you may be right, but I asked my dad to try the Burst Stopper one and he felt a diff
(Jan. 17, 2021 1:28 AM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan. 17, 2021 1:26 AM)GrinAndBarrett Wrote: [ -> ]Dude, I'm sorry, but this is not evidence. Unless you have a scale and you can show something concrete your arguments hold no weight. What you're experiencing is most likely something called confirmation bias.
Alright then, weight-wise you may be right, but I asked my dad to try the Burst Stopper one and he felt a diff
I think this is also incredibly unlikely. Could you clarify what exactly you think is different between the discs? I'm not really understanding.
(Jan. 17, 2021 1:31 AM)GrinAndBarrett Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan. 17, 2021 1:28 AM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote: [ -> ]Alright then, weight-wise you may be right, but I asked my dad to try the Burst Stopper one and he felt a diff
I think this is also incredibly unlikely. Could you clarify what exactly you think is different between the discs? I'm not really understanding.
Yeah, whatever way I try to wrap my head around it, scientifically it doesn't make sense. If the plastic burst stoppers are worn down, using a different disk of the same type shouldn't make a difference. I know that certain disks are tighter (like Blitz and painted disks) but there should be no noticeable difference between different 0 disks.
The only way it would make sense is if the disk tabs (which are METAL) were wearing down, thus a different disk with fresh tabs would be tighter. But the idea of that happening (metal rubbing against plastic and the metal wearing down) is nearly impossible.
(Jan. 17, 2021 1:49 AM)BladerGem Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan. 17, 2021 1:31 AM)GrinAndBarrett Wrote: [ -> ]I think this is also incredibly unlikely. Could you clarify what exactly you think is different between the discs? I'm not really understanding.
Yeah, whatever way I try to wrap my head around it, scientifically it doesn't make sense. If the plastic burst stoppers are worn down, using a different disk of the same type shouldn't make a difference. I know that certain disks are tighter (like Blitz and painted disks) but there should be no noticeable difference between different 0 disks.
The only way it would make sense is if the disk tabs (which are METAL) were wearing down, thus a different disk with fresh tabs would be tighter. But the idea of that happening (metal rubbing against plastic and the metal wearing down) is nearly impossible.
Yeah, it's definitely possible that they have two discs that are not equally tight due to some extreme wear, warping or even slight manufacturing defect. However, I reject the idea that the number of stars indicates any material (significant) differences in the discs. There's just no evidence for it.
I just took a recording of the burst stoppers and took some pics of the results on weighing scales
Did you post it, I don't see it?
Nevermind that, I thought it was 4 of the same disc at first.
So your scale is on the wrong mode, it should say g not ml. Also that scale is not accurate enough, I have the same one and it will change between say 22 and 23 with repeated measurements.
Did you just cherry pick two sets of discs that matched the pattern?
You also said you had 6 of the 00s, could you post all them?
Edit: the camera is quite bad, I think when the thing was corrected one of the stars on 00 got erased, it's a 4 star one though
(Jan. 17, 2021 2:37 AM)GrinAndBarrett Wrote: [ -> ]Nevermind that, I thought it was 4 of the same disc at first.
So your scale is on the wrong mode, it should say g not ml. Also that scale is not accurate enough, I have the same one and it will change between say 22 and 23 with repeated measurements.
Did you just cherry pick two sets of discs that matched the pattern?
You also said you had 6 of the 00s, could you post all them?
I randomly selected them
(Jan. 17, 2021 2:37 AM)GrinAndBarrett Wrote: [ -> ]Nevermind that, I thought it was 4 of the same disc at first.
So your scale is on the wrong mode, it should say g not ml. Also that scale is not accurate enough, I have the same one and it will change between say 22 and 23 with repeated measurements.
Did you just cherry pick two sets of discs that matched the pattern?
You also said you had 6 of the 00s, could you post all them?
Although my scale just depicts 22 and 23 without alternating
So how many total duplicates do you have (for example, 2 0s and 6 00s)? And can you confirm (with your scale set to grams) that every single duplicate disc follows this pattern? And are you being objective about the weighing? Because as I said, I have the same scale and I know it will give inconsistent measurements.
You know we proabably need scales to 2 d.p.
Yeah, honestly you would never really be able to convince me with that scale. Unless we were talking about differences > 1g. There are a lot of dedicated beybladers out there and none report four stars discs being any different. It's just kinda unfeasible to me that they've all somehow missed it.
Edit: I get that you have some anecdotal evidence and why you could've formed that opinion but I'm fairly certain it's do to coincidence or innaccuracy of the comparison.
(Jan. 17, 2021 2:52 AM)GrinAndBarrett Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, honestly you would never really be able to convince me with that scale. Unless we were talking about differences > 1g. There are a lot of dedicated beybladers out there and none report four stars discs being any different. It's just kinda unfeasible to me that they've all somehow missed it.
Edit: I get that you have some anecdotal evidence and why you could've formed that opinion but I'm fairly certain it's do to coincidence or innaccuracy of the comparison.
I understand, once I get proper results then I will proabably PM you. However I was proabably right about the Burst stoppers, I don't think you can deny that. So I'd still proabably keep mainly 4 Star discs in my competitive combo box.
(Jan. 17, 2021 3:16 AM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan. 17, 2021 2:52 AM)GrinAndBarrett Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, honestly you would never really be able to convince me with that scale. Unless we were talking about differences > 1g. There are a lot of dedicated beybladers out there and none report four stars discs being any different. It's just kinda unfeasible to me that they've all somehow missed it.
Edit: I get that you have some anecdotal evidence and why you could've formed that opinion but I'm fairly certain it's do to coincidence or innaccuracy of the comparison.
I understand, once I get proper results then I will proabably PM you. However I was proabably right about the Burst stoppers, I don't think you can deny that. So I'd still proabably keep mainly 4 Star discs in my competitive combo box.
Sounds good. And yes, from your video it looks like you are right about your particular discs however that is not even close to conclusive evidence for that being a characteristic of four star discs in general.
Lets just call it a close, I don't mind any kinda of starred disc, I don't know why the four stars feel heavier to me.