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(Dec. 21, 2020  7:41 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ]

(Dec. 21, 2020  6:44 PM)Master_chanter0 Wrote: [ -> ]How does ultimate reboot/ultimate reboot' compare to xtend+?

Never said it did. Ultimate reboot just has a bit better lad than atomic and below

I'm asking for tests.

(Dec. 21, 2020  8:40 PM)Master_chanter0 Wrote: [ -> ]

(Dec. 21, 2020  7:41 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ]Never said it did. Ultimate reboot just has a bit better lad than atomic and below

I'm asking for tests.

Oh. Okay. 
Left Lord Spriggan, blitz, Atomic vs. Glide Ragnarok blitz 1S, Ultimate reboot’
Lord- 1 KO
Glide- 1 OS
8 draws(they weren’t draws but they were so close that it was hard to tell like they were SO close

(Dec. 21, 2020  11:11 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ]

(Dec. 21, 2020  8:40 PM)Master_chanter0 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm asking for tests.

Oh. Okay. 
Left Lord Spriggan, blitz, Atomic vs. Glide Ragnarok blitz 1S, Ultimate reboot’
Lord- 1 KO
Glide- 1 OS
8 draws(they weren’t draws but they were so close that it was hard to tell like they were SO close

I knew it! I knew Glide could beat Lord

(Dec. 21, 2020  11:11 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ]

(Dec. 21, 2020  8:40 PM)Master_chanter0 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm asking for tests.

Oh. Okay. 
Left Lord Spriggan, blitz, Atomic vs. Glide Ragnarok blitz 1S, Ultimate reboot’
Lord- 1 KO
Glide- 1 OS
8 draws(they weren’t draws but they were so close that it was hard to tell like they were SO close

Um, I meant tests for ultimate reboot against xtend+ in all modes but that is still useful.

(Dec. 21, 2020  11:13 PM)EarthHelios Wrote: [ -> ]

(Dec. 21, 2020  11:11 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ]Oh. Okay. 
Left Lord Spriggan, blitz, Atomic vs. Glide Ragnarok blitz 1S, Ultimate reboot’
Lord- 1 KO
Glide- 1 OS
8 draws(they weren’t draws but they were so close that it was hard to tell like they were SO close

I knew it! I knew Glide could beat Lord

Actually it was a tie. And glide had the better lad driver so lord is actually better for lad than glide. Sorry to disappoint.

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(Dec. 21, 2020  11:18 PM)Master_chanter0 Wrote: [ -> ]

(Dec. 21, 2020  11:11 PM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ]Oh. Okay. 
Left Lord Spriggan, blitz, Atomic vs. Glide Ragnarok blitz 1S, Ultimate reboot’
Lord- 1 KO
Glide- 1 OS
8 draws(they weren’t draws but they were so close that it was hard to tell like they were SO close

Um, I meant tests for ultimate reboot against xtend+ in all modes but that is still useful.

Oh sorry I thought you meant atomic. Xtend+ is WAY better than ul’ and I don’t think I ever said it wasn’t did I?

(Dec. 22, 2020  12:51 AM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ]

(Dec. 21, 2020  11:13 PM)EarthHelios Wrote: [ -> ]I knew it! I knew Glide could beat Lord

Actually it was a tie. And glide had the better lad driver so lord is actually better for lad than glide. Sorry to disappoint.

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(Dec. 21, 2020  11:18 PM)Master_chanter0 Wrote: [ -> ]Um, I meant tests for ultimate reboot against xtend+ in all modes but that is still useful.

Oh sorry I thought you meant atomic. Xtend+ is WAY better than ul’ and I don’t think I ever said it wasn’t did I?

Alright thanks.

The main post in this thread is incorrect. Xtend+ has more LAD than Destroy'. Wave has more LAD than Atomic. Atomic has less LAD than everything listed besides maybe Zone. Ultimate Reboot has similar LAD to Atomic.

In addition, it seems that Bearing and Zone'+Z actually go even with each other according to Papabey. Though Zn'+Z still beats Xt+.

(Dec. 22, 2020  4:17 PM)Master_chanter0 Wrote: [ -> ]

(Dec. 22, 2020  12:51 AM)TheRogueBlader Wrote: [ -> ]Actually it was a tie. And glide had the better lad driver so lord is actually better for lad than glide. Sorry to disappoint.

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Oh sorry I thought you meant atomic. Xtend+ is WAY better than ul’ and I don’t think I ever said it wasn’t did I?

Alright thanks.

To be honest, I don’t think that Glide is the best ring to use when testing equalization lad particularly because. it is pretty much the ultimate counter to spin equalization

I made an amended list:
1. Drift, Zone' +Z, Bearing
2. Mobius
3. Xtend+ (Stamina)
4. Xtend+ (Defence)
5. Xtend+ (Attack)
6. Absorb, Hold' (Worn)
7. Destroy'
8. Revolve
9. Xceed' +Z
10. Orbit Metal/Orbit
11. Octa
12. Wave, Zone'
13. Ultimate Reboot', Atomic
14. Volcanic'
15. Yard/Yard Metal

(Dec. 23, 2020  7:58 AM)AirKingNeo Wrote: [ -> ]The main post in this thread is incorrect. Xtend+ has more LAD than Destroy'. Wave has more LAD than Atomic. Atomic has less LAD than everything listed besides maybe Zone. Ultimate Reboot has similar LAD to Atomic.

In addition, it seems that Bearing and Zone'+Z actually go even with each other according to Papabey. Though Zn'+Z still beats Xt+.

Is that in oppostie spin? Because I can fix it.

(Dec. 23, 2020  12:29 PM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote: [ -> ]I made an amended list:
1. Drift, Zone' +Z, Bearing
2. Mobius
3. Xtend+ (Stamina)
4. Xtend+ (Defence)
5. Xtend+ (Attack)
6. Absorb, Hold' (Worn)
7. Destroy'
8. Revolve
9. Xceed' +Z
10. Orbit Metal/Orbit
11. Octa
12. Wave, Zone'
13. Ultimate Reboot', Atomic
14. Volcanic'
15. Yard/Yard Metal

I will ammend a bit.

Your kidding right? Orbit/Orbit Metal actually has alot of good LAD?

(Dec. 23, 2020  5:09 PM)EarthHelios Wrote: [ -> ]Your kidding right? Orbit/Orbit Metal actually has alot of good LAD?

Like atomic, stable but with decent lad

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Also drivers we should probably add include yielding and survive and others

You should specify same spin and opposite spin, because certain drivers have great opposite spin and terrible same spin (like Mobius) and certain drivers have great same spin and only decent opposite spin (like Atomic).

(Dec. 24, 2020  1:43 AM)BuilderROB Wrote: [ -> ]You should specify same spin and opposite spin, because certain drivers have great opposite spin and terrible same spin (like Mobius) and certain drivers have great same spin and only decent opposite spin (like Atomic).

In the first post I said list was for opposite spin.

(Dec. 23, 2020  5:06 PM)Master_chanter0 Wrote: [ -> ]

(Dec. 23, 2020  12:29 PM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote: [ -> ]I made an amended list:
1. Drift, Zone' +Z, Bearing
2. Mobius
3. Xtend+ (Stamina)
4. Xtend+ (Defence)
5. Xtend+ (Attack)
6. Absorb, Hold' (Worn)
7. Destroy'
8. Revolve
9. Xceed' +Z
10. Orbit Metal/Orbit
11. Octa
12. Wave, Zone'
13. Ultimate Reboot', Atomic
14. Volcanic'
15. Yard/Yard Metal

I will ammend a bit.

Your amended post I think is still incorrect the current list is for opposite spin so Wave should be above atomic.

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Plus bearing is slightly better than mobius (beating it occasionally) ties with drift and Zone' +Z

I think xtend+ has more LAD when used with 0/00cross or wheel than bearing with vanguard

(Dec. 24, 2020  3:26 AM)Harshmello249 Wrote: [ -> ]I think xtend+ has more LAD when used with 0/00cross or wheel than bearing with vanguard

Precisely not vanguard this is lad as in General not with forge Disc

(Dec. 23, 2020  12:29 PM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote: [ -> ]I made an amended list:
1. Drift, Zone' +Z, Bearing
2. Mobius
3. Xtend+ (Stamina)
4. Xtend+ (Defence)
5. Xtend+ (Attack)
6. Absorb, Hold' (Worn)
7. Destroy'
8. Revolve
9. Xceed' +Z
10. Orbit Metal/Orbit
11. Octa
12. Wave, Zone'
13. Ultimate Reboot', Atomic
14. Volcanic'
15. Yard/Yard Metal

Destroy/Destroy' have more LAD than Absorb and Hold'. In addition, Wave has the same LAD as Destroy(').

Orbit has the worst LAD on this list.

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The list should be:

1) Drift(?) = Zone'+Z
2) Xtend+ = Bearing
3) Mobius (Might be in tier 2, but I don't have anything proving it.)
4) Xceed'+Z = Zone(')+X (I'm very unsure if these two are equal. Mostly is Zn(')+X I do not know exactly where to place, but it is above Ds and below Mobius.)
5) Xceed(')+X
6) Destroy(') = Wave
7) Absorb = Hold' (Worn) = Eternal = Octa = Universe
8) Ultimate Reboot(') = Atomic = Volcanic' (Worn)
9) Revolve (Unsure about this and the tiers below.)
10) Orbit Metal/Orbit
11) Yard/Yard Metal

I don't know where Zone/Zone' fit on this list, the bottom 3 tiers I'm unsure about, and I'm a little unsure about tier with Ab, H', Et, Octa, and Un (Un might be in a tier slightly above these, but Un is definitely below Ds and Wv). I also don't know h

I put the dash symbol in parenthesis for when it does not matter in terms of mold variation.

Rise(worn) should be quite high on the list

(Dec. 24, 2020  4:30 AM)AirKingNeo Wrote: [ -> ]

(Dec. 23, 2020  12:29 PM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote: [ -> ]I made an amended list:
1. Drift, Zone' +Z, Bearing
2. Mobius
3. Xtend+ (Stamina)
4. Xtend+ (Defence)
5. Xtend+ (Attack)
6. Absorb, Hold' (Worn)
7. Destroy'
8. Revolve
9. Xceed' +Z
10. Orbit Metal/Orbit
11. Octa
12. Wave, Zone'
13. Ultimate Reboot', Atomic
14. Volcanic'
15. Yard/Yard Metal

Destroy/Destroy' have more LAD than Absorb and Hold'. In addition, Wave has the same LAD as Destroy(').

Orbit has the worst LAD on this list.

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The list should be:

1) Drift(?) = Zone'+Z
2) Xtend+ = Bearing
3) Mobius (Might be in tier 2, but I don't have anything proving it.)
4) Xceed'+Z = Zone(')+X (I'm very unsure if these two are equal. Mostly is Zn(')+X I do not know exactly where to place, but it is above Ds and below Mobius.)
5) Xceed(')+X
6) Destroy(') = Wave
7) Absorb = Hold' (Worn) = Eternal = Octa = Universe
8) Ultimate Reboot(') = Atomic = Volcanic' (Worn)
9) Revolve (Unsure about this and the tiers below.)
10) Orbit Metal/Orbit
11) Yard/Yard Metal

I don't know where Zone/Zone' fit on this list, the bottom 3 tiers I'm unsure about, and I'm a little unsure about tier with Ab, H', Et, Octa, and Un (Un might be in a tier slightly above these, but Un is definitely below Ds and Wv). I also don't know h

I put the dash symbol in parenthesis for when it does not matter in terms of mold variation.

Yea I put orbit metal and Destroy' wrongly just realised, I don't have wave and Destroy' and I haven't seen wave in action before.

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1) Drift(?) = Zone'+Z
2) Bearing
3) Ignition' = Hybrid (I separated Xtend+ from bearing because Ig' and Hy are slightly above Xtend+ but bearing they only tie with.)
4) Xtend+
5) Mobius = Rise (Worn)
6) Xceed'+Z = Zone(')+X (I'm very unsure if these two are equal. Mostly is Zn(')+X I do not know exactly where to place, but it is above Ds and below Mobius.)
7) Xceed(')+X
8) Destroy(') = Wave
9) Revolve (Mold A, Worn)
10) Absorb = Hold' (Worn) = Eternal = Universe = Revolve (Mold A) = Atomic (Mold II)
11) Ultimate Reboot(') = Atomic (Mold II) = Volcanic' (Worn) = Octa (Worn) = Dimension(') (Lowest mode)
12) Revolve (Non-Mold A, Worn)
13) Orbit Metal/Orbit = Revolve (Non-Mold A)
14) Yard/Yard Metal
Edited 's list and amended revolve and some other drivers

(Dec. 25, 2020  12:39 AM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote: [ -> ]Yea I put orbit metal and Destroy' wrongly just realised, I don't have wave and Destroy' and I haven't seen wave in action before.

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1) Drift(?) = Zone'+Z
2) Bearing
3) Ignition' = Hybrid (I separated Xtend+ from bearing because Ig' and Hy are slightly above Xtend+ but bearing they only tie with.)
4) Xtend+
5) Mobius = Rise (Worn)
6) Xceed'+Z = Zone(')+X (I'm very unsure if these two are equal. Mostly is Zn(')+X I do not know exactly where to place, but it is above Ds and below Mobius.)
7) Xceed(')+X
8) Destroy(') = Wave
9) Revolve (Mold A, Worn)
10) Absorb = Hold' (Worn) = Eternal = Universe = Revolve (Mold A) = Atomic (Mold II)
11) Ultimate Reboot(') = Atomic (Mold II) = Volcanic' (Worn) = Octa (Worn) = Dimension(') (Lowest mode)
12) Revolve (Non-Mold A, Worn)
13) Orbit Metal/Orbit = Revolve (Non-Mold A)
14) Yard/Yard Metal
Edited 's list and amended revolve and some other drivers

Um, Bearing and Xtend+ are equal in LAD. And do you have anything (like a video) proving Ig' or Hy to have better LAD than Xt+? Same for Rise being comparable to Mobius.

And you completely messed up the bottom half of the list. Revolve has worse LAD than Atomic and everything else above it. Atomic has worse LAD than Ab/Et/Un. Octa has similar LAD to Ab/Et/Un.

In addition, define what "A Mold" means for Revolve. I've never heard that term used for that driver.

Would it be far fetched to place trick on this list?

(Dec. 25, 2020  5:17 AM)AirKingNeo Wrote: [ -> ]

(Dec. 25, 2020  12:39 AM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote: [ -> ]Yea I put orbit metal and Destroy' wrongly just realised, I don't have wave and Destroy' and I haven't seen wave in action before.

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1) Drift(?) = Zone'+Z
2) Bearing
3) Ignition' = Hybrid (I separated Xtend+ from bearing because Ig' and Hy are slightly above Xtend+ but bearing they only tie with.)
4) Xtend+
5) Mobius = Rise (Worn)
6) Xceed'+Z = Zone(')+X (I'm very unsure if these two are equal. Mostly is Zn(')+X I do not know exactly where to place, but it is above Ds and below Mobius.)
7) Xceed(')+X
8) Destroy(') = Wave
9) Revolve (Mold A, Worn)
10) Absorb = Hold' (Worn) = Eternal = Universe = Revolve (Mold A) = Atomic (Mold II)
11) Ultimate Reboot(') = Atomic (Mold II) = Volcanic' (Worn) = Octa (Worn) = Dimension(') (Lowest mode)
12) Revolve (Non-Mold A, Worn)
13) Orbit Metal/Orbit = Revolve (Non-Mold A)
14) Yard/Yard Metal
Edited 's list and amended revolve and some other drivers

Um, Bearing and Xtend+ are equal in LAD. And do you have anything (like a video) proving Ig' or Hy to have better LAD than Xt+? Same for Rise being comparable to Mobius.

And you completely messed up the bottom half of the list. Revolve has worse LAD than Atomic and everything else above it. Atomic has worse LAD than Ab/Et/Un. Octa has similar LAD to Ab/Et/Un.

In addition, define what "A Mold" means for Revolve. I've never heard that term used for that driver.

Like a Mold A chip, there is a Revolve A Mold where the revolve spins rather freely and has really good LAD. I did some testing I found it slightly above most of the drivers in number 10). 
Rise is 100% comparable to mobius, I am familiar with the Japanese meta and Rise is commonly used on Paradox, World Spriggan Paradox Rise 1S outspins Tempest with a success rate of 57%, outspins Lord Spriggan Vanguard Bearing rather easily. Also the a Worn Rise is considered nearly flat so do take that into account
Same for Ignition'/Hybrid, side note they are off. Japan Meta sees use on Perfect Phoenix and Hell Salamander, they beat Lord Spriggan 0Cross Xtend+ with a success rate of 57%. 
Notice the Atomic I put on par with the drivers in 10) is a Mold II it is a Mold that debuted in Storm Pegasis Hurricane Atomic, it spins much more freely and has much improved LAD, I agree that a normal Mold I has horrible LAD, but that is Mold II.
I would not say I messed up the bottom half as this is backed up with testing I have done.
For Octa I must admit I am unsure but I found the octagonal angles rather detrimental to the LAD, even losing to a Atomic Mold II
I would say that Bearing and Xtend+ are on par, however Ig' can outspin Xtend+ but cannot outspin Bearing

(Dec. 25, 2020  5:27 AM)[[ NØBØDY ]] Wrote: [ -> ]

(Dec. 25, 2020  5:17 AM)AirKingNeo Wrote: [ -> ]Um, Bearing and Xtend+ are equal in LAD. And do you have anything (like a video) proving Ig' or Hy to have better LAD than Xt+? Same for Rise being comparable to Mobius.

And you completely messed up the bottom half of the list. Revolve has worse LAD than Atomic and everything else above it. Atomic has worse LAD than Ab/Et/Un. Octa has similar LAD to Ab/Et/Un.

In addition, define what "A Mold" means for Revolve. I've never heard that term used for that driver.

Like a Mold A chip, there is a Revolve A Mold where the revolve spins rather freely and has really good LAD. I did some testing I found it slightly above most of the drivers in number 10). 
Rise is 100% comparable to mobius, I am familiar with the Japanese meta and Rise is commonly used on Paradox, World Spriggan Paradox Rise 1S outspins Tempest with a success rate of 57%, outspins Lord Spriggan Vanguard Bearing rather easily. Also the a Worn Rise is considered nearly flat so do take that into account
Same for Ignition'/Hybrid, side note they are off. Japan Meta sees use on Perfect Phoenix and Hell Salamander, they beat Lord Spriggan 0Cross Xtend+ with a success rate of 57%. 
Notice the Atomic I put on par with the drivers in 10) is a Mold II it is a Mold that debuted in Storm Pegasis Hurricane Atomic, it spins much more freely and has much improved LAD, I agree that a normal Mold I has horrible LAD, but that is Mold II.
I would not say I messed up the bottom half as this is backed up with testing I have done.
For Octa I must admit I am unsure but I found the octagonal angles rather detrimental to the LAD, even losing to a Atomic Mold II
I would say that Bearing and Xtend+ are on par, however Ig' can outspin Xtend+ but cannot outspin Bearing

Are you testing using two Lord bases/World rings/Spriggan Requiem layers?

I would think a Rise driver worn that much would be banned.

I would just call it Revolve Mold 2, cause its the second mold debuting in either the GT Customize Set or the Tact Longinus RB. As for Atomic, that driver has 4 molds. Mold 1 is Atomic released during God and isn't as free spinning, Mold 2 starts with the Atomic in the first Cho Z RB (Crash Ragnaruk), Mold 3 starts with Dead Phoenix where some parts of the driver seem a bit smaller, and Mold 4 is the one you're calling "Mold II".

(Dec. 21, 2020  8:14 PM)#Fafnir Wrote: [ -> ]This is my opinion:

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(TT)
Tier A (In no certain order): Drift, Zone/Zone'+Z, Mobius, Xtend+, Bearing, (Awakened) Rise, (Awakened) Volcanic/Volcanic'
Tier B (In no certain order): Destroy/Destroy', Absorb, Eternal, Octa, Wave, Zone, (Awakened) Hold/Hold', Ignition', Hybrid.
Tier C (In no certain order): Atomic, Orbit Metal, (Awakened) Evolution', Ultimate Reboot/Ultimate Reboot'.[/b]
(Hasbro)
Tier A (In no certain order): Bearing, Bullet-H, Xtender-H, Rise-H, Dm-S (When balanced).
Tier B (In no certain order): Eternal-S, Absorb-H, Yard-S, Hold, Octa, Destroy, Guard
Tier C (In no certain order): Atomic, Orbit, Defense, Revolve, Trans
Note: Most Hypersphere drivers have decent to great LAD, but I only mentioned a few of the main ones so I didn't end up mentioning every Hypersphere driver.
Also Note: Hypersphere drivers are banned in Burst Classic and Burst Limited.

I feel like atomic should be higher on the list unless your talking opposite spin. As atomic has in my opinion the best same spin LAD