(Nov. 20, 2020 3:58 AM)EarthHelios Wrote: [ -> ]how much would choz valtryek and achilles cost when it gets released officialy?
probably around 15-25 since its going to be more expensive than usual and the average TT price is 20
(Nov. 20, 2020 3:57 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 3:55 AM)bblader/90 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, i should 😵
Those comments have been written a few minutes after Cyprus' unboxing, i was pretty upset but yeah after 5 minutes i've come back to normal 😃
Ok cool, after thinking about it I was kinda concerned for your mindset while writing that earlier post lol. But yeah, you don't need these if you can just get TT beys easily.
I'm worried about my mental health all the time 😭
All jokes aside, yeah that's not a major thing to complain about.
(Nov. 20, 2020 1:13 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 1:08 AM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ]I’m not knocking the quality, like that is amazing, thank you hasbro! But the quality is a double edge sword, as my hopes got super high because of it, but now you essentially just have a TT bey. If I wanted to buy a choZV from TT, I would have done it 2 years ago, my main problem is how big of a waste in potential this is. It would not be a big deal to anyone if it had slopes, but now it’s a product that is not new for anyone as it’s just a carbon copy of the TT release.
I think the problem is that: Your spoiled. You talk about how you would've just got a TT Valtryek, but ou realize not everyone is as fortunate as you. Don't worry I'm spoiled in that regard, but you have to realize not everyone has the ability to simply import Takara Tomy beyblades. So for them, this is a game changer.
(Nov. 20, 2020 1:12 AM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t actually, I really don’t overestimate it. It has the best stamina and defense in the whole game and can out equalize everything because few outliers. cZV wasn’t able to beat B3 then and it won’t be able to now, especially with the softer plastic. And no way is funny quest man gonna beat it
You realize it does have softer plastic, but it has metal. Straight up metal. And teeth for a tighter locking system. And Jolt. Along with all the parts Cho-Z Achilles can provide. You gotta stop praising Balkesh eventually man. You'll crying your eyes out when a counter is found lol.
??? Rage and zwei already counter balkesh. Like you are praising choZ valtryek way too much.
Also it’s not that I’m spoiled, it’s that I didn’t want to just have a TT choZ valkirye, I wanted a version with the same quality and power but with slopes instead of teeth
(Nov. 20, 2020 4:42 AM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 1:13 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]I think the problem is that: Your spoiled. You talk about how you would've just got a TT Valtryek, but ou realize not everyone is as fortunate as you. Don't worry I'm spoiled in that regard, but you have to realize not everyone has the ability to simply import Takara Tomy beyblades. So for them, this is a game changer.
You realize it does have softer plastic, but it has metal. Straight up metal. And teeth for a tighter locking system. And Jolt. Along with all the parts Cho-Z Achilles can provide. You gotta stop praising Balkesh eventually man. You'll crying your eyes out when a counter is found lol.
??? Rage and zwei already counter balkesh. Like you are praising choZ valtryek way too much.
Also it’s not that I’m spoiled, it’s that I didn’t want to just have a TT choZ valkirye, I wanted a version with the same quality and power but with slopes instead of teeth
I’ll I’m saying is that you act pro beys can’t beat Balkesh. They have the ability too for sure.
(Nov. 20, 2020 12:55 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 4:42 AM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ]??? Rage and zwei already counter balkesh. Like you are praising choZ valtryek way too much.
Also it’s not that I’m spoiled, it’s that I didn’t want to just have a TT choZ valkirye, I wanted a version with the same quality and power but with slopes instead of teeth
I’ll I’m saying is that you act pro beys can’t beat Balkesh. They have the ability too for sure.
The TT one couldn't. That's why B3 was considered so good, as it wasn't until mid GT until any good counter were found.
(Nov. 20, 2020 12:55 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 4:42 AM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ]??? Rage and zwei already counter balkesh. Like you are praising choZ valtryek way too much.
Also it’s not that I’m spoiled, it’s that I didn’t want to just have a TT choZ valkirye, I wanted a version with the same quality and power but with slopes instead of teeth
I’ll I’m saying is that you act pro beys can’t beat Balkesh. They have the ability too for sure.
And do you even own B3?
(Nov. 20, 2020 2:07 PM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 12:55 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]I’ll I’m saying is that you act pro beys can’t beat Balkesh. They have the ability too for sure.
The TT one couldn't. That's why B3 was considered so good, as it wasn't until mid GT until any good counter were found.
(Nov. 20, 2020 12:55 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]I’ll I’m saying is that you act pro beys can’t beat Balkesh. They have the ability too for sure.
And do you even own B3?
Yes, but these beys now have the potential too due to massive upgrades. It’s not impossible to find a pro counter. Also you realize this Cho-z Valtryek doesn’t have the normal stock combo.
(Nov. 20, 2020 2:25 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 2:07 PM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ]The TT one couldn't. That's why B3 was considered so good, as it wasn't until mid GT until any good counter were found.
And do you even own B3?
Yes, but these beys now have the potential too due to massive upgrades. It’s not impossible to find a pro counter. Also you realize this Cho-z Valtryek doesn’t have the normal stock combo.
Do you think I'm talking about stock combos? No, I'm not. The layer ChoV5 doesn't pack enough punch to take out B3 on a good combo. The pro line is definitely good but you're acting like choV5 alone is gonna completely shift hasbro's meta.
(Nov. 20, 2020 3:19 PM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 2:25 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, but these beys now have the potential too due to massive upgrades. It’s not impossible to find a pro counter. Also you realize this Cho-z Valtryek doesn’t have the normal stock combo.
Do you think I'm talking about stock combos? No, I'm not. The layer ChoV5 doesn't pack enough punch to take out B3 on a good combo. The pro line is definitely good but you're acting like choV5 alone is gonna completely shift hasbro's meta.
I agree cho-z valkryie can’t take out B3. I have a B3 combo that can still hold its own on some sparking beys doesn’t always win but it holds its own
(Nov. 20, 2020 3:30 PM)AlexTheBlader Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 3:19 PM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ]Do you think I'm talking about stock combos? No, I'm not. The layer ChoV5 doesn't pack enough punch to take out B3 on a good combo. The pro line is definitely good but you're acting like choV5 alone is gonna completely shift hasbro's meta.
I agree cho-z valkryie can’t take out B3. I have a B3 combo that can still hold its own on some sparking beys doesn’t always win but it holds its own
Like exactly. I did decent in burst standard even with all the sparking stuff and most of what I used was B3. It's outclassed, but not unviable, and I doubt choZV5 can beat that
(Nov. 20, 2020 3:52 PM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 3:30 PM)AlexTheBlader Wrote: [ -> ]I agree cho-z valkryie can’t take out B3. I have a B3 combo that can still hold its own on some sparking beys doesn’t always win but it holds its own
Like exactly. I did decent in burst standard even with all the sparking stuff and most of what I used was B3. It's outclassed, but not unviable, and I doubt choZV5 can beat that
100%. I've seen B3 beat Sparking beys. There is no way Cho-z V could take it down. The best it could hope for is a ring out in a Hasbro stadium, and with a driver like atomic, or even orbit, that's a stretch. B3 specializes in spin equalization and outspins, so an outspin for Cho-z V is out of the question. Right to left bursts are pretty rare, and A slow-motion burst is the best option, but if B3 has a semi-tight driver, that's virtually impossible. Heck, if B3 has an Atomic, it would just spin on the tornado ridge while jolting/Dimension/Quest/etc. loses stamina. The only advantage Cho-z V has against Balkesh is the Burst stoppers which prevent a slow-motion burst or burst by wall recoil, but if B3 has a decently tight defense driver, Balkesh is on the same level as Cho-z V.
TL;DR: Cho-z V can't win.
(Nov. 20, 2020 3:52 PM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 3:30 PM)AlexTheBlader Wrote: [ -> ]I agree cho-z valkryie can’t take out B3. I have a B3 combo that can still hold its own on some sparking beys doesn’t always win but it holds its own
Like exactly. I did decent in burst standard even with all the sparking stuff and most of what I used was B3. It's outclassed, but not unviable, and I doubt choZV5 can beat that
Still, you can obviously find a good counter, especially with Pro beys. Is that so hard to understand?
I don’t doubt B3’s a beast, I’m just saying obviously you can still find counters in the Hasbro meta, and it will be especially easier to do with essentially TT beys.
(Nov. 20, 2020 6:13 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 3:52 PM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ]Like exactly. I did decent in burst standard even with all the sparking stuff and most of what I used was B3. It's outclassed, but not unviable, and I doubt choZV5 can beat that
Still, you can obviously find a good counter, especially with Pro beys. Is that so hard to understand?
I don’t doubt B3’s a beast, I’m just saying obviously you can still find counters in the Hasbro meta, and it will be especially easier to do with essentially TT beys.
Alright, name what you think would be a counter. You seem to not understand how good B3 is, there is no way a right spin attack bey of its caliber can beat B3. Heck, judgment can barely do it
(Nov. 20, 2020 10:34 PM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 6:13 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]Still, you can obviously find a good counter, especially with Pro beys. Is that so hard to understand?
I don’t doubt B3’s a beast, I’m just saying obviously you can still find counters in the Hasbro meta, and it will be especially easier to do with essentially TT beys.
Alright, name what you think would be a counter. You seem to not understand how good B3 is, there is no way a right spin attack bey of its caliber can beat B3. Heck, judgment can barely do it
I say this, only time will tell as we don’t have the beys in our hands.
(Nov. 20, 2020 10:43 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 10:34 PM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ]Alright, name what you think would be a counter. You seem to not understand how good B3 is, there is no way a right spin attack bey of its caliber can beat B3. Heck, judgment can barely do it
I say this, only time will tell as we don’t have the beys in our hands.
No, time will not tell, choZ Valkyrie already exists
(Nov. 20, 2020 10:49 PM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 10:43 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]I say this, only time will tell as we don’t have the beys in our hands.
No, time will not tell, choZ Valkyrie already exists
But pro series is different from TT. There may be slight differences, but those differences make all the more impact.
(Nov. 20, 2020 10:58 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 10:49 PM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ]No, time will not tell, choZ Valkyrie already exists
But pro series is different from TT. There may be slight differences, but those differences make all the more impact.
The only difference is the softer plastic, which will actually reduce attack power
(Nov. 20, 2020 10:34 PM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 6:13 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]Still, you can obviously find a good counter, especially with Pro beys. Is that so hard to understand?
I don’t doubt B3’s a beast, I’m just saying obviously you can still find counters in the Hasbro meta, and it will be especially easier to do with essentially TT beys.
Alright, name what you think would be a counter. You seem to not understand how good B3 is, there is no way a right spin attack bey of its caliber can beat B3. Heck, judgment can barely do it.
Looking back at Cyprus' footage Cho-Z Valtryek's stock can deliver some nasty hits to definitely get some solid ring outs in.
![[Image: giphy.gif]](https://media.giphy.com/media/HmXZDkEtgh87ZH3sRk/giphy.gif)
However it suffers from stamina, so the multiple modes on Dimension would probably help.
As for discs, if it ever gets to the point where Valtryek is wobbling around cause its stamina I would say sting is, cause that extra plastic on it when exposed can bring some extra hits and protection. If your just looking to keep it balanced though without having to worry about that, 00 is pretty good.
Now Achilles, Cho-Z Achilles does pretty good on Jolt but suffers from stamina so I would just stick with Dimension. I would chose attack modes for chance to ring out and potentially Burst, so in that regard I would go with Blitz as its made to cut through the wind or whatever, but in general is just goes along with the gust of wind and helps go fast, go fast means more attack, more attack means better chance at ring out.
(Nov. 20, 2020 11:06 PM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 10:58 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]But pro series is different from TT. There may be slight differences, but those differences make all the more impact.
The only difference is the softer plastic, which will actually reduce attack power
Didn’t Hasbro Legends have weaker metal, and yet it was superior?
(Nov. 20, 2020 11:11 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 11:06 PM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ]The only difference is the softer plastic, which will actually reduce attack power
Didn’t Hasbro Legends have weaker metal, and yet it was superior?
According too the wiki a few of them do have lighter metal
That would definitely help with speed
(Nov. 20, 2020 11:11 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 11:06 PM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ]The only difference is the softer plastic, which will actually reduce attack power
Didn’t Hasbro Legends have weaker metal, and yet it was superior?
No? It was better because it was heavier. The softer plastic acts as a shock absorber, so if it’s softer it will have less attack
(Nov. 20, 2020 11:19 PM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 11:11 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]Didn’t Hasbro Legends have weaker metal, and yet it was superior?
No? It was better because it was heavier. The softer plastic acts as a shock absorber, so if it’s softer it will have less attack
A good chunk of them have bad recoil and or are lighter, I didn't' see anything about them being heavier. Also a Shock absorber will reduce attack, but that also, you know, absorbs shock. That helps it tank attacks, which is good.
(Nov. 20, 2020 11:19 PM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 11:11 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]Didn’t Hasbro Legends have weaker metal, and yet it was superior?
No? It was better because it was heavier. The softer plastic acts as a shock absorber, so if it’s softer it will have less attack
Nevermind, I may have got my legends mixed up (there's 2 legend lines) but I still see nothing about it being heavier
(Nov. 20, 2020 11:19 PM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 11:11 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]Didn’t Hasbro Legends have weaker metal, and yet it was superior?
No? It was better because it was heavier. The softer plastic acts as a shock absorber, so if it’s softer it will have less attack
Have you ever seen the comparisons between Legends and TT? I myself have done them and I can say that legends is lighter.
(Nov. 20, 2020 11:22 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Nov. 20, 2020 11:19 PM)bladekid Wrote: [ -> ]No? It was better because it was heavier. The softer plastic acts as a shock absorber, so if it’s softer it will have less attack
Have you ever seen the comparisons between Legends and TT? I myself have done them and I can say that legends is lighter.
Just saw some random old YouTube battle, from what I've seen it looks definitely lighter.
Saw a beyblade geeks vid, Cosmic Pegasus was destroying Big Bang lol