(Sep. 14, 2020 10:10 PM)Blasterblader22 Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 30, 2020 7:03 AM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]Doubt it’s Kerbeus since Ken wasn’t one of the 15 manga legends or 8 anime legends.
Could you list who the 8 or 15 legends are?
From the manga 1 to 15. The legends/S-ranks are Valt, shu, aiga, free, lui, drum, phi, gwyn, delta, xhaka, sisco, zac, wakiya, daina And Rantaro
(Sep. 14, 2020 10:10 PM)Blasterblader22 Wrote: [ -> ] (Jul. 30, 2020 7:03 AM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]Doubt it’s Kerbeus since Ken wasn’t one of the 15 manga legends or 8 anime legends.
Could you list who the 8 or 15 legends are?
Manga: Valt, Shu, Aiga, Free, Lui, Drum, Phi, Gwyn, Delta, Xhaka, Sisco, Zac, Wakiya, Daina, Rantaro
Anime: should be known
(Sep. 14, 2020 10:18 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: [ -> ] (Sep. 14, 2020 10:10 PM)Blasterblader22 Wrote: [ -> ]Could you list who the 8 or 15 legends are?
Manga: Valt, Shu, Aiga, Free, Lui, Drum, Phi, Gwyn, Delta, Xhaka, Sisco, Zac, Wakiya, Daina, Rantaro
Anime: should be known
Even tho the manga has a list of legends, the anime doesn't really address it directly, so I wouldn't completely rule out Kerbeus. It'd be weird to have Valkyrie, Spriggan, and Ragnuruk but not Kerbeus imo
(Sep. 14, 2020 11:01 PM)GT_fan Wrote: [ -> ] (Sep. 14, 2020 10:18 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: [ -> ]Manga: Valt, Shu, Aiga, Free, Lui, Drum, Phi, Gwyn, Delta, Xhaka, Sisco, Zac, Wakiya, Daina, Rantaro
Anime: should be known
Even tho the manga has a list of legends, the anime doesn't really address it directly, so I wouldn't completely rule out Kerbeus. It'd be weird to have Valkyrie, Spriggan, and Ragnuruk but not Kerbeus imo
The anime has the same legends except for Phi, Gwyn, Delta, Xhaka, Zac, Wakiya, and Daina. If the anime doesn't address it directly, then there's less of a chance for Kerbeus as it's not even a manga legend. This booster was said to be a legend bey, so it wouldn't be Kerbeus.
(Sep. 14, 2020 11:09 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: [ -> ] (Sep. 14, 2020 11:01 PM)GT_fan Wrote: [ -> ]Even tho the manga has a list of legends, the anime doesn't really address it directly, so I wouldn't completely rule out Kerbeus. It'd be weird to have Valkyrie, Spriggan, and Ragnuruk but not Kerbeus imo
The anime has the same legends except for Phi, Gwyn, Delta, Xhaka, Zac, Wakiya, and Daina. If the anime doesn't address it directly, then there's less of a chance for Kerbeus as it's not even a manga legend. This booster was said to be a legend bey, so it wouldn't be Kerbeus.
The rankings could change between now and then
(Sep. 14, 2020 11:13 PM)GT_fan Wrote: [ -> ] (Sep. 14, 2020 11:09 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: [ -> ]The anime has the same legends except for Phi, Gwyn, Delta, Xhaka, Zac, Wakiya, and Daina. If the anime doesn't address it directly, then there's less of a chance for Kerbeus as it's not even a manga legend. This booster was said to be a legend bey, so it wouldn't be Kerbeus.
The rankings could change between now and then
They probably wouldn't unless it were Lean, Hyuga, or Hikaru. Other characters haven't really been shown too much and they mainly focus on the main legends from the anime, and possibly a few side chapters for the CURRENT manga legends like in the case of Delta.
i posted this somewhere else but its entirely relevant here
I'd like to point out that (considering the leaks on shin helios) a wyvern sparking remake wouldn't make sense if shin helios's rings gimmick happens to be free spin. There would be two rings with the same gimmick and to my knowledge a bey hasn't ever just switched gimmicks in its line. they always followed a concept of sorts, E.G. Kerbeus's bound gimmick in God and Cho-z, Longinus's metal and "hidden spike" (noticeable on L2 and nL the most), Ragnarok's wings, and Bahamut's defense wings so it would be weird to have 2 rings that share the same gimmick. Plus, even IF shin helios's gimmick is different, unless they made an atomic' (which would make the meta collapse faster than the stock market right now), or reused universe, which satan already has, and would remove some of the point of getting satan itself, the combo for it would stray from how the wyvern series went. I'm just saying that wyvern couldn't be one of the possible remakes. In my honest opinion, the best chances are forneus (which hasn't been seen since cho-z and WAS aiga's rival) or kerbeus (which also hasnt been seen since cho-z). Quetzacoatl could work as well. Wakiya is basically out of the picture. Ken hasn't appeared since god, and he didnt even battle in god. forneus could be a remake, though it'd probably just use yard metal.
(Sep. 16, 2020 6:41 PM)LeonidasKerbeus Wrote: [ -> ]i posted this somewhere else but its entirely relevant here
I'd like to point out that (considering the leaks on shin helios) a wyvern sparking remake wouldn't make sense if shin helios's rings gimmick happens to be free spin. There would be two rings with the same gimmick and to my knowledge a bey hasn't ever just switched gimmicks in its line. they always followed a concept of sorts, E.G. Kerbeus's bound gimmick in God and Cho-z, Longinus's metal and "hidden spike" (noticeable on L2 and nL the most), Ragnarok's wings, and Bahamut's defense wings so it would be weird to have 2 rings that share the same gimmick. Plus, even IF shin helios's gimmick is different, unless they made an atomic' (which would make the meta collapse faster than the stock market right now), or reused universe, which satan already has, and would remove some of the point of getting satan itself, the combo for it would stray from how the wyvern series went. I'm just saying that wyvern couldn't be one of the possible remakes. In my honest opinion, the best chances are forneus (which hasn't been seen since cho-z and WAS aiga's rival) or kerbeus (which also hasnt been seen since cho-z). Quetzacoatl could work as well. Wakiya is basically out of the picture. Ken hasn't appeared since god, and he didnt even battle in god. forneus could be a remake, though it'd probably just use yard metal.
They wouldn’t have to change the gimmick, there have been multiple instances of two beys having the same gimmick reused or reimagined. Brave Valkyrie and Mirage Fafnir both have rubber, Lord Spriggan and the gt Diabolos beys were both dual spin, Both the Zwei and Knockout bases had addition metal attachments,
While yes, zwei and knockout have metal, i argue that they are seperate.
knockout has metal consoloated in the gachi chip area, while zwei had a contact point of metal.
and no, brave and mirage dont have the same gimmick.
2A is a chassis that has rubber blades that can line up with brave. Mirage is a base that has rubber around its contact points to create spin equalization by utilizing the opposing opposite spin bey's inetia from their contact.
if that was the case, then you could say guardian kerbeus's gimmick is ALSO rubber, since the bound gimmick happens to include rubber.
Diaboros in gt had to switch a part to switch spin, while spriggan worked on any of them. they are SIMILAR. but those are CHIPS, not GIMMICKS in this case.
they share a common theme, but their GIMMICK is different.
if that was the case, then air knight and garuda's gimmicks are being large and fanlike, no?
Garuda's gimmick is its circular shape and wide area, making it hard for beys to latch on to it and cause damage, while it also has air "openings" that create similar, but less downforce than Air Knight.
Air knights gimmick (partly) is the way its sloped. This causes a considerable amount of force smash, while the air "openings" create considerable downforce, giving it increased stamina. It also has the metal ring of "swords" surrounding the motif, giving it an outer weight distribution, giving it more speed.
while their designs are similar, their GIMMICKS are different.
(Sep. 16, 2020 9:10 PM)LeonidasKerbeus Wrote: [ -> ]While yes, zwei and knockout have metal, i argue that they are seperate.
knockout has metal consoloated in the gachi chip area, while zwei had a contact point of metal.
and no, brave and mirage dont have the same gimmick.
2A is a chassis that has rubber blades that can line up with brave. Mirage is a base that has rubber around its contact points to create spin equalization by utilizing the opposing opposite spin bey's inetia from their contact.
if that was the case, then you could say guardian kerbeus's gimmick is ALSO rubber, since the bound gimmick happens to include rubber.
Diaboros in gt had to switch a part to switch spin, while spriggan worked on any of them. they are SIMILAR. but those are CHIPS, not GIMMICKS in this case.
they share a common theme, but their GIMMICK is different.
if that was the case, then air knight and garuda's gimmicks are being large and fanlike, no?
Garuda's gimmick is its circular shape and wide area, making it hard for beys to latch on to it and cause damage, while it also has air "openings" that create similar, but less downforce than Air Knight.
Air knights gimmick (partly) is the way its sloped. This causes a considerable amount of force smash, while the air "openings" create considerable downforce, giving it increased stamina. It also has the metal ring of "swords" surrounding the motif, giving it an outer weight distribution, giving it more speed.
while their designs are similar, their GIMMICKS are different.
Beat Kukucaln and Xcalibur both have the double twist gimmick. Where when the bey takes enough damage it's attack increases. So having Beyblades with the about same gimmick can still happen. I mean, balance types techanilly always have the same gimmick so.
Except no.
Xcaliburs gimmick is that when it gets to half clicks, the weight of its unbalanced disk aligns with the heavy metal sword that is off balance, therefore the weight between each hit from the sword is more impactful.
Beat Kukulcan's gimmick is that when the bey takes enough damage, it triggers the blades to extend outwards, causing it to deal more damage.
its like Maximum Garuda VS Air Knight. They have similar designs, but the gimmick is different.
If its like what you said, then all longinus's share a gimmick with ALL Cho-Z beys, since they all incorporate metal. But that isn't how it works now, is it?
(Sep. 16, 2020 9:10 PM)LeonidasKerbeus Wrote: [ -> ]While yes, zwei and knockout have metal, i argue that they are seperate.
knockout has metal consoloated in the gachi chip area, while zwei had a contact point of metal.
and no, brave and mirage dont have the same gimmick.
2A is a chassis that has rubber blades that can line up with brave. Mirage is a base that has rubber around its contact points to create spin equalization by utilizing the opposing opposite spin bey's inetia from their contact.
if that was the case, then you could say guardian kerbeus's gimmick is ALSO rubber, since the bound gimmick happens to include rubber.
Diaboros in gt had to switch a part to switch spin, while spriggan worked on any of them. they are SIMILAR. but those are CHIPS, not GIMMICKS in this case.
they share a common theme, but their GIMMICK is different.
if that was the case, then air knight and garuda's gimmicks are being large and fanlike, no?
Garuda's gimmick is its circular shape and wide area, making it hard for beys to latch on to it and cause damage, while it also has air "openings" that create similar, but less downforce than Air Knight.
Air knights gimmick (partly) is the way its sloped. This causes a considerable amount of force smash, while the air "openings" create considerable downforce, giving it increased stamina. It also has the metal ring of "swords" surrounding the motif, giving it an outer weight distribution, giving it more speed.
while their designs are similar, their GIMMICKS are different.
Well then by that logic Helios and Wyvern would count as having different gimmicks seeing as wyverns entire outer layer would be free spin for the absolute lowest recoil whereas only a sub ring on the Helios ring would be free spin.
Edit: this could be wrong since we don’t know if it’s an entire free spin ring or a sub ring since the picture isn’t clear, heck we don’t even know if this thing has a free spin gimmick.
Still praying that it's a new Forneus...
(Sep. 14, 2020 10:18 PM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: [ -> ] (Sep. 14, 2020 10:10 PM)Blasterblader22 Wrote: [ -> ]Could you list who the 8 or 15 legends are?
Manga: Valt, Shu, Aiga, Free, Lui, Drum, Phi, Gwyn, Delta, Xhaka, Sisco, Zac, Wakiya, Daina, Rantaro
Anime: should be known
Surprised Zac is on the list,didnt see much of him other than the 1st season.Also they did fubuki real bad,atleast when he was introduced,he looked like a shu replacement atleast to me
(Sep. 16, 2020 6:41 PM)LeonidasKerbeus Wrote: [ -> ]i posted this somewhere else but its entirely relevant here
I'd like to point out that (considering the leaks on shin helios) a wyvern sparking remake wouldn't make sense if shin helios's rings gimmick happens to be free spin. There would be two rings with the same gimmick and to my knowledge a bey hasn't ever just switched gimmicks in its line. they always followed a concept of sorts, E.G. Kerbeus's bound gimmick in God and Cho-z, Longinus's metal and "hidden spike" (noticeable on L2 and nL the most), Ragnarok's wings, and Bahamut's defense wings so it would be weird to have 2 rings that share the same gimmick. Plus, even IF shin helios's gimmick is different, unless they made an atomic' (which would make the meta collapse faster than the stock market right now), or reused universe, which satan already has, and would remove some of the point of getting satan itself, the combo for it would stray from how the wyvern series went. I'm just saying that wyvern couldn't be one of the possible remakes. In my honest opinion, the best chances are forneus (which hasn't been seen since cho-z and WAS aiga's rival) or kerbeus (which also hasnt been seen since cho-z). Quetzacoatl could work as well. Wakiya is basically out of the picture. Ken hasn't appeared since god, and he didnt even battle in god. forneus could be a remake, though it'd probably just use yard metal.
uh ken, fubuki, and quan aren't legend bladers , AND IT CLEARLY SAYS ITS A BEY THAT BELONGS TO A LEGEND BLADER.
(Oct. 27, 2020 12:35 AM)TheGolden Blade Wrote: [ -> ]Wyvern for sure.
It’s either Wvyron, Phoenix, or Genesis. And I say these 3 for different reasons
Wvyron: A Beyblade that hasn’t been upgraded since evolution, an easy gimmick to improve. Wakiya Made more appearances in the manga than any current manga exclusive characters.
Phoenix: owned by the strongest legend with a Beyblade not up to date. Typical time for a Phoenix.
Genesis: also a January type release.
Honestly, it’s anyone’s game now
Most likely not Genesis, since the gimmick would take more work to replicate, and Gwyn isn't really an old rival. I would say Wyvern since that's easier to reproduce and in the oldest defense type rival that's a legend.
(Oct. 27, 2020 1:13 AM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: [ -> ]Most likely not Genesis, since the gimmick would take more work to replicate, and Gwyn isn't really an old rival. I would say Wyvern since that's easier to reproduce and in the oldest defense type rival that's a legend.
Phoenix is a legend and that gimmick can be replicated
(Oct. 27, 2020 1:17 AM)TitanDragon Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 27, 2020 1:13 AM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: [ -> ]Most likely not Genesis, since the gimmick would take more work to replicate, and Gwyn isn't really an old rival. I would say Wyvern since that's easier to reproduce and in the oldest defense type rival that's a legend.
Phoenix is a legend and that gimmick can be replicated
TT can be more lazy and chill replicating Wyvern, while Phoenix would take a bit more work for a bey that's not even in the anime.
Look at how the Diabolos's turned out. Not that much effort. Wyvern could easily be the same, and Wakiya is more popular in Japan. Still anyone's game, though it seems like it's most likely Wyvern.
Wakiya was like, in the first 10 episodes of BURST.
If its Lucifer than Its fine. But if i turns out to be another bey Im hoping it be a new Phoenix or Wyvern
(Oct. 27, 2020 2:31 AM)EarthHelios Wrote: [ -> ]If its Lucifer than Its fine. But if i turns out to be another bey Im hoping it be a new Phoenix or Wyvern
Lucifer is on b-175. This is either Phi or Wakiya
Wakiya- He is the oldest LEGEND defense rival.
Phi- He was the strongest and most popular main antagonist of burst.
Honestly, I'm pleased with whatever comes in this.
(Oct. 27, 2020 2:34 AM)TheGolden Blade Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 27, 2020 2:31 AM)EarthHelios Wrote: [ -> ]If its Lucifer than Its fine. But if i turns out to be another bey Im hoping it be a new Phoenix or Wyvern
Lucifer is on b-175. This is either Phi or Wakiya
Wakiya- He is the oldest LEGEND defense rival.
Phi- He was the strongest and most popular main antagonist of burst.
Honestly, I'm pleased with whatever comes in this.
My guess is if they do the other legendary bladers beys it will either reuse the 1D Chassis or give a new chassis.
(Oct. 27, 2020 2:34 AM)TheGolden Blade Wrote: [ -> ] (Oct. 27, 2020 2:31 AM)EarthHelios Wrote: [ -> ]If its Lucifer than Its fine. But if i turns out to be another bey Im hoping it be a new Phoenix or Wyvern
Lucifer is on b-175. This is either Phi or Wakiya
Wakiya- He is the oldest LEGEND defense rival.
Phi- He was the strongest and most popular main antagonist of burst.
Honestly, I'm pleased with whatever comes in this.
Did you know Phi is currently the strongest legend who doesn’t have a Surge bey? That’s why I would prefer a new Phoenix