lol the 4A Chassis color is similar to that of I don't remember either the Purple 1D or 1S not 3A
(Dec. 22, 2020 2:45 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]The same on both sides. The ring doesn’t have a weight imbalance but rather an axis shift imbalance due to the different placement of metal on each side causing the centre of gravity to alternate continuously. It’s effectively the same result regardless of how you position the chassis.
Just curious, how do you know that the weights on both sides of metal are the same weight? I'm not doubting you of course, just wondering myself haha.
(Dec. 22, 2020 3:05 PM)LOL-y Rancher Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 22, 2020 2:45 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]The same on both sides. The ring doesn’t have a weight imbalance but rather an axis shift imbalance due to the different placement of metal on each side causing the centre of gravity to alternate continuously. It’s effectively the same result regardless of how you position the chassis.
Just curious, how do you know that the weights on both sides of metal are the same weight? I'm not doubting you of course, just wondering myself haha.
I suppose they wouldn’t be the absolute exact same weight but it’s not meant to be a legitimately effective difference or in other words, an actual function of the ring. According to the description the actual imbalance of the ring comes from the shifting centre of gravity which would make sense since the hollow ring harbours its metal both; on top and below. The chassis is the one that is said to be heavier on one side as per its description not the ring. Both parts are still unbalanced of course, but not quite in the same way.
(Dec. 22, 2020 3:10 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 22, 2020 3:05 PM)LOL-y Rancher Wrote: [ -> ]Just curious, how do you know that the weights on both sides of metal are the same weight? I'm not doubting you of course, just wondering myself haha.
I suppose they wouldn’t be the absolute exact same weight but it’s not meant to be a legitimately effective difference or in other words, an actual function of the ring. According to the description the actual imbalance of the ring comes from the shifting centre of gravity which would make sense since the hollow ring harbours its metal both; on top and below. The chassis is the one that is said to be heavier on one side as per its description not the ring. Both parts are still unbalanced of course, but not quite in the same way.
That's true, the unevenly placed metal on the Hollow Ring causes the rotation to become a lot more inconsistent.
I also believe part of the weight balance also comes from the different shapes of both the metal plates. Even if both metal plates were the same weight, the left side (the one on the two blades) has a smaller but thicker piece of metal making the weight on that side more compressed, whilst the right side (the huge scythe) has a wider but thinner sheet on metal on top. It overall makes the weight distribution more uneven.
(Dec. 22, 2020 2:54 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]It doesn’t make a difference seeing as both sides of hollow have the same weight.
[font="Source Sans Pro", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]According to the description the actual imbalance of the ring comes from the shifting centre of gravity.[/font]
May I ask where you get this information? The Corocoro page literally says in Japanese "The blades on each side are different shaped, and the weight is also different!".
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(Dec. 22, 2020 4:04 PM)eigerblade Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 22, 2020 2:54 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]It doesn’t make a difference seeing as both sides of hollow have the same weight.
[font="Source Sans Pro", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]According to the description the actual imbalance of the ring comes from the shifting centre of gravity.[/font]
May I ask where you get this information? The Corocoro page literally says in Japanese "The blades on each side are different shaped, and the weight is also different!".
I only remember that too. It just said the weight on each side was different, making it unbalanced.
I can check my Corocoro Comic rn to confirm or deny.
(Dec. 22, 2020 4:04 PM)eigerblade Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 22, 2020 2:54 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]It doesn’t make a difference seeing as both sides of hollow have the same weight.
[font="Source Sans Pro", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]According to the description the actual imbalance of the ring comes from the shifting centre of gravity.[/font]
May I ask where you get this information? The Corocoro page literally says in Japanese "The blades on each side are different shaped, and the weight is also different!".
"The shape of the blade is different on the left and right so the weight is different"
idk where he got the shifting center of gravity stuff from.
(Dec. 22, 2020 2:54 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 22, 2020 2:51 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]The chassis has most of the weight on one side, so it makes a difference depending on which side the right side is on. Yes Hollow also plays a role but you acting like there's no counter balance. Yeah it angles to attack, thats the point.
It doesn’t make a difference seeing as both sides of hollow have the same weight, I said it’s an axis shift not a weight imbalance. Putting 4A on either side will only have a slight minuscule difference that won’t have any effect. Also, unbalanced angled attack is bad and has been bad for a long time- so long as beys don’t burst, it will remain bad. 4a may have some use outside of its use on Deathscyther but definitely not here.
I checked the Corocoro and it just said that the shape of the blades are different on the left and right, which causes the weight imbalance. It also says the center of gravity can be shaken up, meaning it can be angled to attack and all that good stuff. But the imbalance comes from the weight being different on both sides. Meaning if you got both sides to be equal, the weight imbalance would be gone. The center of gravity getting "shaken up" is just the Corocoro saying it gets angled to attack, that's literally it.
(Dec. 22, 2020 1:57 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 22, 2020 1:48 PM)Jinbee Wrote: [ -> ]
I am aware that the Hollow ring plays a part in it too, my point is that I think 4A's more unbalanced aligning is probably what's adding to the imbalance. The layer ring will probably suck competitively but it does look fun at the very least.
If that’s what makes it suck, can’t you just turn it to balanced aligning problem solved?
You can always say “oh that limits it in the chassis department” but IMO it’s better than getting a disc to counterbalance since now you can choose a disc, frame, and tip that’s to your liking.
I am fully aware you can switch the positioning, hence why I mentioned "unbalanced aligning".
In theory, yeah, switching positions would make it more balanced. But that depends on which side of Hollow is actually heavier, which I don't think we fully know yet, although my guess is the scythe side. The other factor you need to keep in mind is, if it's more balanced, does this make it any good? Because the shape would also affect it's performance, and I don't know how good it looks for attack. We can only guess whether it being balanced is better or worse.
(Dec. 22, 2020 6:48 PM)Jinbee Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 22, 2020 1:57 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]If that’s what makes it suck, can’t you just turn it to balanced aligning problem solved?
You can always say “oh that limits it in the chassis department” but IMO it’s better than getting a disc to counterbalance since now you can choose a disc, frame, and tip that’s to your liking.
I am fully aware you can switch the positioning, hence why I mentioned "unbalanced aligning".
In theory, yeah, switching positions would make it more balanced. But that depends on which side of Hollow is actually heavier, which I don't think we fully know yet, although my guess is the scythe side. The other factor you need to keep in mind is, if it's more balanced, does this make it any good? Because the shape would also affect it's performance, and I don't know how good it looks for attack. We can only guess whether it being balanced is better or worse.
As for the shape, seeing as we have killer which can be used as a good estimate at how good or bad it is I’m going to have to agree with you on this. I would also like to remind everyone that Shape isn’t everything and the parts also matter especially with the high driver (yes height does matter as clearly shown by the MFB beys), so although it may seem to have a bad shape the parts might carry.
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(Dec. 22, 2020 4:06 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 22, 2020 4:04 PM)eigerblade Wrote: [ -> ]May I ask where you get this information? The Corocoro page literally says in Japanese "The blades on each side are different shaped, and the weight is also different!".
I only remember that too. It just said the weight on each side was different, making it unbalanced.
I can check my Corocoro Comic rn to confirm or deny.
(Dec. 22, 2020 4:04 PM)eigerblade Wrote: [ -> ]May I ask where you get this information? The Corocoro page literally says in Japanese "The blades on each side are different shaped, and the weight is also different!".
"The shape of the blade is different on the left and right so the weight is different"
idk where he got the shifting center of gravity stuff from.
(Dec. 22, 2020 2:54 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]It doesn’t make a difference seeing as both sides of hollow have the same weight, I said it’s an axis shift not a weight imbalance. Putting 4A on either side will only have a slight minuscule difference that won’t have any effect. Also, unbalanced angled attack is bad and has been bad for a long time- so long as beys don’t burst, it will remain bad. 4a may have some use outside of its use on Deathscyther but definitely not here.
I checked the Corocoro and it just said that the shape of the blades are different on the left and right, which causes the weight imbalance. It also says the center of gravity can be shaken up, meaning it can be angled to attack and all that good stuff. But the imbalance comes from the weight being different on both sides. Meaning if you got both sides to be equal, the weight imbalance would be gone. The center of gravity getting "shaken up" is just the Corocoro saying it gets angled to attack, that's literally it.
This translation is where I got the information from so if you are looking for something to blame, blame this
https://mobile.twitter.com/databeys/stat...82816?s=20
(Dec. 22, 2020 10:02 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 22, 2020 4:06 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]I only remember that too. It just said the weight on each side was different, making it unbalanced.
I can check my Corocoro Comic rn to confirm or deny.
"The shape of the blade is different on the left and right so the weight is different"
idk where he got the shifting center of gravity stuff from.
I checked the Corocoro and it just said that the shape of the blades are different on the left and right, which causes the weight imbalance. It also says the center of gravity can be shaken up, meaning it can be angled to attack and all that good stuff. But the imbalance comes from the weight being different on both sides. Meaning if you got both sides to be equal, the weight imbalance would be gone. The center of gravity getting "shaken up" is just the Corocoro saying it gets angled to attack, that's literally it.
This translation is where I got the Tim the information from so if you are looking for something to blame, blame this https://mobile.twitter.com/databeys/stat...82816?s=20
Stinky idiot stupid
jk obviously, just a mistake. Despite the heavy emphasis on it I guess the fact that the left and right blades are different sizes making one side heavier than the other got lost in translation. It does angle itself to attack (like most beys) but that's not the reason for it being unbalanced, one side is just heavier than the other.
(Dec. 22, 2020 10:02 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 22, 2020 10:02 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]This translation is where I got the Tim the information from so if you are looking for something to blame, blame this https://mobile.twitter.com/databeys/stat...82816?s=20
Stinky idiot stupid
jk obviously, just a mistake. Despite the heavy emphasis on it I guess the fact that the left and right blades are different sizes making one side heavier than the other got lost in translation. It does angle itself to attack (like most beys) but that's not the reason for it being unbalanced, one side is just heavier than the other.
Honestly, even if the sides do have a weight imbalance, it’s still most likely going to suck. It’s shaped like Killer Deathscyther which in itself is already a bad sign as it means the ring has zero consistency and can’t properly synergize with other parts nor attack with consistent recoil which would make the layer act as a brake. Additionally, even if you switch the sides of the chassis to make the heavier side align with the lighter side it will still be unbalanced since one side of the bey will carry its weight below the ring (the heavier side of the chassis) while one side would carry its weight above the ring (heavier side of the ring) meaning that upon launch, the angles of landing/momentum would cause it’s centre of gravity to still continuously shift.
(Dec. 22, 2020 10:11 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 22, 2020 10:02 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]Stinky idiot stupid
jk obviously, just a mistake. Despite the heavy emphasis on it I guess the fact that the left and right blades are different sizes making one side heavier than the other got lost in translation. It does angle itself to attack (like most beys) but that's not the reason for it being unbalanced, one side is just heavier than the other.
Honestly, even if the sides do have a weight imbalance, it’s still most likely going to suck. It’s shaped like Killer Deathscyther which in itself is already a bad sign as it means the ring has zero consistency and can’t properly synergize with other parts nor attack with consistent recoil which would make the layer act as a brake. Additionally, even if you switch the sides of the chassis to make the heavier side align with the lighter side it will still be unbalanced since one side of the bey will carry its weight below the ring (the heavier side of the chassis) while one side would carry its weight above the ring (heavier side of the ring) meaning that upon launch, the angles of landing/momentum would cause it’s centre of gravity to still continuously shift.
Excuse me if this is dumb but if one side has like, 10 legos worth of weight above the ring, and the other side has 5 legos worth above the ring thats unbalanced, however it it has another 5 legos under the ring its 10 legos worth on each side, right? How does the weight being above or below the ring matter?
(Dec. 22, 2020 10:15 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 22, 2020 10:11 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly, even if the sides do have a weight imbalance, it’s still most likely going to suck. It’s shaped like Killer Deathscyther which in itself is already a bad sign as it means the ring has zero consistency and can’t properly synergize with other parts nor attack with consistent recoil which would make the layer act as a brake. Additionally, even if you switch the sides of the chassis to make the heavier side align with the lighter side it will still be unbalanced since one side of the bey will carry its weight below the ring (the heavier side of the chassis) while one side would carry its weight above the ring (heavier side of the ring) meaning that upon launch, the angles of landing/momentum would cause it’s centre of gravity to still continuously shift.
Excuse me if this is dumb but if one side has like, 10 legos worth of weight above the ring, and the other side has 5 legos worth above the ring thats unbalanced, however it it has another 5 legos under the ring its 10 legos worth on each side, right? How does the weight being above or below the ring matter?
Because the centre of gravity is thrown off by the momentum of the launch which would cause it to tilt towards a particular side. It’s basically unbalanced the same way the Cho-z beys were before they got their level chips but worse.
(Dec. 22, 2020 10:20 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 22, 2020 10:15 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]Excuse me if this is dumb but if one side has like, 10 legos worth of weight above the ring, and the other side has 5 legos worth above the ring thats unbalanced, however it it has another 5 legos under the ring its 10 legos worth on each side, right? How does the weight being above or below the ring matter?
Because the centre of gravity is thrown off by the momentum of the launch which would cause it to tilt towards a particular side. It’s basically unbalanced the same way the Cho-z beys were but worse.
The worse thing that could do it make it angled though, right?
How bad could Deathsycther be?
(Dec. 22, 2020 10:21 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 22, 2020 10:20 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]Because the centre of gravity is thrown off by the momentum of the launch which would cause it to tilt towards a particular side. It’s basically unbalanced the same way the Cho-z beys were but worse.
The worse thing that could do it make it angled though, right?
Pretty much yes, but angled attack isn’t all that great. It relies on getting a burst finish for the most part which is already going to be pretty hard when you are fighting amongst the beys of today’s meta. They also have pretty bad stamina as well which wouldn’t help the case.
(Dec. 22, 2020 10:21 PM)EarthHelios Wrote: [ -> ]How bad could Deathsycther be?
Worse than Drago Valkyrie
(Dec. 22, 2020 10:24 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 22, 2020 10:21 PM)EarthHelios Wrote: [ -> ]How bad could Deathsycther be?
Worse than Drago Valkyrie
Drago Valtryek suffers from stamina and thats it. In all the times I've used it it has no stamina but it attacks like a beast.
(Dec. 22, 2020 10:24 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 22, 2020 10:21 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]The worse thing that could do it make it angled though, right?
Pretty much yes, but angled attack isn’t all that great. It relies on getting a burst finish for the most part which is already going to be pretty hard when you are fighting amongst the beys of today’s meta. They also have pretty bad stamina as well which wouldn’t help the case.
I mean getting a Burst finish would be hard, if you don't have a good combo. If we're talking the stock combo it ain't all that great, but there are a plethora of parts out there to make a good combo.
(Dec. 22, 2020 10:25 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 22, 2020 10:24 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]Worse than Drago Valkyrie
Drago Valtryek suffers from stamina and thats it. In all the times I've used it it has no stamina but it attacks like a beast.
(Dec. 22, 2020 10:24 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]Pretty much yes, but angled attack isn’t all that great. It relies on getting a burst finish for the most part which is already going to be pretty hard when you are fighting amongst the beys of today’s meta. They also have pretty bad stamina as well which wouldn’t help the case.
I mean getting a Burst finish would be hard, if you don't have a good combo. If we're talking the stock combo it ain't all that great, but there are a plethora of parts out there to make a good combo.
Anything on a double chassis is probably not going to burst much at all apart from something using 2b, and pretty much nobody uses 2b. We also have other active layers that aren’t sparking such as Lord and Perfect Phoenix which wouldn’t burst before the hollow combination lost its stamina anyways. Apart from that, there are also many rings that are excelling and seem like much better choices for attack combinations such as rage and infinite (in balance mode).
(Dec. 22, 2020 10:33 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 22, 2020 10:25 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]Drago Valtryek suffers from stamina and thats it. In all the times I've used it it has no stamina but it attacks like a beast.
I mean getting a Burst finish would be hard, if you don't have a good combo. If we're talking the stock combo it ain't all that great, but there are a plethora of parts out there to make a good combo.
Anything on a double chassis is probably not going to burst much at all apart from something using 2b, and pretty much nobody uses 2b. We also have other active layers that aren’t sparking such as Lord and Perfect Phoenix which wouldn’t burst before the hollow combination lost its stamina anyways. Apart from that, there are also many rings that are excelling and seem like much better choices for attack combinations such as rage and infinite (in balance mode).
Double chassis making a bey not bursting in General is so so, it also depends on the tip and chip.
(Dec. 22, 2020 10:38 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 22, 2020 10:33 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]Anything on a double chassis is probably not going to burst much at all apart from something using 2b, and pretty much nobody uses 2b. We also have other active layers that aren’t sparking such as Lord and Perfect Phoenix which wouldn’t burst before the hollow combination lost its stamina anyways. Apart from that, there are also many rings that are excelling and seem like much better choices for attack combinations such as rage and infinite (in balance mode).
Double chassis making a bey not bursting in General is so so, it also depends on the tip and chip.
It more or less is effective regardless of the driver or chip, which would surely have an influence, but ultimately are not the deciding factor. Even rings such as glide and mirage can thrive on a double chassis to an extent.
(Dec. 22, 2020 10:42 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 22, 2020 10:38 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]Double chassis making a bey not bursting in General is so so, it also depends on the tip and chip.
It more or less is effective regardless of the driver or chip, which would surely have an influence, but ultimately are not the deciding factor. Even rings such as glide can thrive on double chassis to an extent.
From my experiences Double Chassis do help, however the influence from driver and chip make a sizeable difference.
(Dec. 22, 2020 10:44 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 22, 2020 10:42 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]It more or less is effective regardless of the driver or chip, which would surely have an influence, but ultimately are not the deciding factor. Even rings such as glide can thrive on double chassis to an extent.
From my experiences Double Chassis do help, however the influence from driver and chip make a sizeable difference.
Serious meta players will more often than not be using the right chips anyways and I don’t really think they make that much of a difference unless we are comparing drivers like charge metal and atomic to keep/Xtreme dash which is a mile difference in burst resistance but not a common thing amongst drivers. The new Deathscyther being unbalanced is one thing that limits its stamina but having the bad contact points of Killer Deathscyther only makes it worse since it simply can’t produce enough recoil to do anything consistent/sufficient.
(Dec. 22, 2020 10:51 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 22, 2020 10:44 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]From my experiences Double Chassis do help, however the influence from driver and chip make a sizeable difference.
Serious meta players will more often than not be using the right chips anyways and I don’t really think they make that much of a difference unless we are comparing drivers like charge metal and atomic to keep/Xtreme dash which is a mile difference in burst resistance but not a common thing amongst drivers. The new Deathscyther being unbalanced is one thing that limits its stamina but having the bad contact points of Killer Deathscyther only makes it worse since it simply can’t produce enough recoil to do anything consistent/sufficient.
The contact points look good to me imo. I mean the 3 blades don't do much sure, but you can't beat a big blade reinforced by a bunch of metal.