World Beyblade Organization by Fighting Spirits Inc.

(Jun. 19, 2020  12:05 AM)SupaDav03 Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun. 18, 2020  7:27 PM)MysticZone Wrote: [ -> ]I am not liking the Chassis here. If there's a mode where those awful blades can stay in, I will definetly enjoy this Bey a lot. I don't see it performing the best for Defense, though.

Well from the chassis description, the activation of the gimmick seems similar to cho-z wings. So maybe soft launching will keep the blades from extending?

That'd be neat, but still not as fun as hard launching. I don't really wanna cut the wings off, but...

(Jun. 19, 2020  1:25 AM)MysticZone Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun. 19, 2020  12:05 AM)SupaDav03 Wrote: [ -> ]Well from the chassis description, the activation of the gimmick seems similar to cho-z wings. So maybe soft launching will keep the blades from extending?

That'd be neat, but still not as fun as hard launching. I don't really wanna cut the wings off, but...

I doubt the wings will be terrible. Maybe slight disadvantages in some areas, but will prob help the overall defense alot.

(Jun. 19, 2020  1:49 AM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun. 19, 2020  1:25 AM)MysticZone Wrote: [ -> ]That'd be neat, but still not as fun as hard launching. I don't really wanna cut the wings off, but...

I doubt the wings will be terrible. Maybe slight disadvantages in some areas, but will prob help the overall defense alot.

I bet they’ll help with burst resistance

(Jun. 19, 2020  4:38 AM)BeybladeCC Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun. 19, 2020  1:49 AM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ]I doubt the wings will be terrible. Maybe slight disadvantages in some areas, but will prob help the overall defense alot.

I bet they’ll help with burst resistance

Sure but i think they will ruin the bey's overall stamina.

I think this 2D might be good against opposite spin because how they advertise it against left spin beys

(Jun. 18, 2020  6:20 AM)CitrusNinja3 Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun. 17, 2020  11:10 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, what is particularly bad about it (not trying to sound hostile)?

Defense Beys don't particularly enjoy recoil, and the spiky shape is undoubtedly going to gradually generate a lot of rotational recoil. It'll be relatively easy to wear down a Variant combo's Stamina despite its OWD since the contact points can single-handedly decide whether or not a Bey is viable even if the Weight Distribution is perfect for its shape. If you look at Master, which is currently one of the tankiest Layer components when used in Left Spin, it has 4 main contact points with gaps, but the contact points themselves are pretty smooth and the gaps aren't too big, so it's able to deflect attacks more easily. I'm sorry I had to use the same example as before when replying to kai edits, but I just want to get this point across in a way that makes sense to me. Also, just elaborating on what I said before, Duo αpollos did have several flaws, but the spiky shape definitely was the biggest problem. The fact that the spikes were organized into 6 segments arguably did make it worse, but definitely not by much. It suffered from having too much recoil to be defensive but was also too round overall and with not enough space between contact points to be used aggressively, which is what I think will happen with Variant, except it might have a niche use for taking down Perfect Phoenix and Glide combos due to being in the correct weight range and resembling a circular saw. It's probably not going to be useless, but it's definitely not comparable to D2 in terms of performance because D2 was useful in a ton of matchups and it looks like Variant is only going to be usable to win some specific matchups.

The weight of the layer can make a large difference. I believe in MFB Basalt and Death were top tier for their times and both had rather rough outside albeit with an overall round shape.

(Jun. 19, 2020  7:37 PM)Flame-Byxis Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun. 18, 2020  6:20 AM)CitrusNinja3 Wrote: [ -> ]Defense Beys don't particularly enjoy recoil, and the spiky shape is undoubtedly going to gradually generate a lot of rotational recoil. It'll be relatively easy to wear down a Variant combo's Stamina despite its OWD since the contact points can single-handedly decide whether or not a Bey is viable even if the Weight Distribution is perfect for its shape. If you look at Master, which is currently one of the tankiest Layer components when used in Left Spin, it has 4 main contact points with gaps, but the contact points themselves are pretty smooth and the gaps aren't too big, so it's able to deflect attacks more easily. I'm sorry I had to use the same example as before when replying to kai edits, but I just want to get this point across in a way that makes sense to me. Also, just elaborating on what I said before, Duo αpollos did have several flaws, but the spiky shape definitely was the biggest problem. The fact that the spikes were organized into 6 segments arguably did make it worse, but definitely not by much. It suffered from having too much recoil to be defensive but was also too round overall and with not enough space between contact points to be used aggressively, which is what I think will happen with Variant, except it might have a niche use for taking down Perfect Phoenix and Glide combos due to being in the correct weight range and resembling a circular saw. It's probably not going to be useless, but it's definitely not comparable to D2 in terms of performance because D2 was useful in a ton of matchups and it looks like Variant is only going to be usable to win some specific matchups.

The weight of the layer can make a large difference. I believe in MFB Basalt and Death were top tier for their times and both had rather rough outside albeit with an overall round shape.

(Edit: I don't mean to discredit you, you're absolutely right, but Basalt doesn't have the same kind of protrusions as Varient. Counter Leone may be a better comparison, although I don't own it so I'm not sure.)

I don't know about Death (don't have it) but Basalt had very, VERY small bumps. It did have one slightly larger protrusion, but overall it had very small bumps created by slight indentations in the metal. Think of the weakest teeth in burst. Now round them out, and make them metal. That's what Basalt is like.

All of this is without mentioning the weight, of course. Basalt was part of the "Max" release line. Basalt was Max weight, and things like Screw Capricorn and Flame Byxis were Max upper and Max height, respectively. I don't know a crazy amount about the MFB meta, but I think Basalt was the heaviest metal wheel until Synchromes.

Anyway, to stay on topic: From what I know, barrage defense/spiky defense has never been very good. No idea about how well it worked in plastics, but it certainly doesn't do very well in burst. However, the shape may be good for causing bursts(?). It was probably at its best in MFB, where the weight of the metal wheels were able to handle any recoil produced, as well as having significantly longer spin times overall.

I am not sure if this has been posted on here, but the Takara Beyblade Parts website has Rage and Lucifer on the website now.

Variant Lucifer
Rage Longinus

(Jun. 19, 2020  7:37 PM)Flame-Byxis Wrote: [ -> ]The weight of the layer can make a large difference. I believe in MFB Basalt and Death were top tier for their times and both had rather rough outside albeit with an overall round shape.

I think you're sorely overestimating how rough Basalt/Twisted and Death actually are. They're smoother than you're thinking. The little ridges in Basalt/Twisted in particularly are so small as to almost entirely be negligible.

And that's certainly a stark contrast to wings as sharp and wide as 2S, which makes Counter looks smooth and defensive in comparison.

Based on the latest chapter and what we've seen, looks like the blades are flexible and wont break, but are meant to be move around in different ways (Like a bey could get through the barrier, causing the blades to bend in)

edit: and by that I mean I know irl they can get through the gap, but while spinning it would seem like they're covering the entire bey with no gaps. so when a spot with a gap is hit and a blade is there, it would move.

btw....... I got the info and credit it to the youtuber, WayoftheBey...

here is the videeo link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr8QMhfwcS4&t=183s

Variant Lucifer.Mb 2D Video:


2D's barrier parts are apparently rubber pieces. Instead of flying out on a hinge, they just kinda. Flex out. That's probably not gonna stand up to battling very well but I think its funny how much they resemble tongues lol

edit: Also Mobius looks pretty much like Bearing, although they don't spell out if it has a bearing inside or not. They point out a washer between the tip and Driver body, which doesn't bode well imo. Either they have a bearing somewhere inside the body a-la Quest or the washer is all there is.

I still don't understand the beys ring around it when it spins can someone explain.

I think that the Mobius driver might make up for the barrier in terms of stamina.

I wonder if it could tornado stall without draining itself on the side walls. Curious if that wing span might make it an intriguing attacker with a good reach.

(Jun. 27, 2020  12:40 AM)kai edits Wrote: [ -> ]I still don't understand the beys ring around it when it spins can someone explain.

Go to 9:55 in the video above your post. Force of the spin will cause the rubber to stretch outwards.

(Jun. 27, 2020  12:42 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]I think that the Mobius driver might make up for the barrier in terms of stamina.

Looks good in the clip, I agree. If not, we can just try bearing I guess, heh.

https://youtu.be/A-JyB27q_ow

So variant lucifer Mb 2D might be Revolutionary
Because
1.) the Mb driver is some what like bearing if it has a bearing system
2.) 2D might be OP for countering opposite spin matches
3.) Lucifer has metal in it which will be used a lot like lS
back in the day

IDK if we can predict a combo with 2D for now

(Jun. 27, 2020  1:25 AM)Needforspeed Wrote: [ -> ]https://youtu.be/A-JyB27q_ow

So variant lucifer Mb 2D might be Revolutionary
Because
1.) the Mb driver is some what like bearing if it has a bearing system
2.) 2D might be OP for countering opposite spin matches
3.) Lucifer has metal in it which will be used a lot like lS
back in the day

IDK if we can predict a combo with 2D for now

Acted how I thought it would act for defense/stamina types, I'm wondering more on how it deals with attack types myself

Dude, imagine what happens when Mobius os worn down and the center tip become flat.
Reminds me of how W2D was.

(Jun. 27, 2020  1:45 AM)Valtryek Aoi Wrote: [ -> ]Dude, imagine what happens when Mobius os worn down and the center tip become flat.
Reminds me of how W2D was.

Someone did that to Br

what im able to see is that the barrier blades on lucifer go in at slower speeds.. this ensures that the LAD is not compromised.. glad to see TT thought about that

(Jun. 27, 2020  2:02 AM)Vtryuga Wrote: [ -> ]what im able to see is that the barrier blades on lucifer  go in at slower speeds.. this ensures that the LAD is not compromised.. glad to see TT thought about that

Ikr it solves a major problem the gimmick would have had and reserves a lot of stamina.

(Jun. 27, 2020  1:25 AM)Needforspeed Wrote: [ -> ]1.) the Mb driver is some what like bearing if it has a bearing system

No bearing, but the driver contains a plastic washer to keep the plate spinning smoothly.

Edit: Someone already posted the link to the preview, blades are looking very sturdy and don't protrude as much as the teasers. Can't wait to pick this up! Also that chassis is MEGATHICK.

I thought the barrier denting like in the anime was impossible, but since the blades can go back and forth throughout the match pretty easily, it seems that it will actually happen. Definitely also a good way for it to not end up like the XTS Kerbecs.

(Jun. 27, 2020  10:28 AM)Limetka Wrote: [ -> ]I thought the barrier denting like in the anime was impossible but since the blades can go back and forth throughout the match pretty easily it seems that it will actually happen. Definitely also a good way for it to not end up like the XTS Kerbecs.

Agreed! I actually like how they implemented 2D's gimmick, even if it might not perform the best but who knows.
I'm glad they didn't go the XTS Kerbecs route, that one was absolutely dreadful haha.