World Beyblade Organization by Fighting Spirits Inc.

I think this bey will suffer from stamina, and a little bit of defense. However when there's an attack type like Hyperion going for a big hit, the blades will do their job pretty well. Im guessing Lucifer's gonna be a 7/10.

(Jun. 15, 2020  8:08 PM)Corrupt Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun. 15, 2020  8:04 PM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ]they prob wont add blades at all tbh. the blades may break, but I personally think they're sturdy enough.

How so?

We dont know how Hasbro will handle Sparking yet, personally I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't do it

(Jun. 15, 2020  8:08 PM)Corrupt Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun. 15, 2020  8:04 PM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ]they prob wont add blades at all tbh. the blades may break, but I personally think they're sturdy enough.

How so?

Hasbro's known for stripping beys of their main gimmicks (unless its switch strike) so I wouldn't count on them to add this one, unless they bless us with all switchstrike beys for Season 5. As for the blades I don't really know, but given they're smaller and more above the ground than that old kerbecs bey that did the same thing, I feel its just gonna be sturdier and be able to take more hits.

Diabolos was more like a "boss" I agree but he was "same kind" of release. And ninjago part was just assoxiation in my head. But my point is what's up with those gimmicks. I get it that it is to early to judge but it looks like a flop to me. Idea is cool but in the anime. But I will buy it anyway because I love the design it is in my opinion best looking villain bey so far.

(Jun. 15, 2020  8:08 PM)Corrupt Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun. 15, 2020  8:04 PM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ]they prob wont add blades at all tbh. the blades may break, but I personally think they're sturdy enough.

How so?

Not sturdy, but there are 6 of them which significantly reduces the recoil the layer when it is rotating fast creating extra burst resistance meaning beys will only hit Lucifers gaps at moderate damage and the only time beys can effectively hit area between the gaps is when Lucifer is spinning slowly and it wouldn’t get destroyed but something like that.

(Jun. 15, 2020  8:14 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun. 15, 2020  8:08 PM)Corrupt Wrote: [ -> ]How so?

Not sturdy, but there are 6 of them which significantly reduces the recoil the layer when it is rotating fast creating extra burst resistance meaning beys will only hit Lucifers gaps at moderate damage and the only time beys can effectively hit area between the gaps is when Lucifer is spinning slowly and it wouldn’t get destroyed but something like that.

well yeah, but do you think the blades will hold up while its not spinning slowly? I think they will, and thats what I meant by "sturdy". Im sure they wont break too often (well hope), but we just have to wait and see.

(Jun. 15, 2020  12:29 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun. 15, 2020  12:15 PM)BuilderROB Wrote: [ -> ]Well, just got back from a small break, and saw everything’s been updated for this product. First off, Variant Lucifer looks quite nice, possibly one of my favorite looking sparking beys we have seen so far. Variant Lucifer has an interesting shape, but I am not sure whether or not it will actually be competitive, since the shape does look a bit spiky which could lead it to having too much recoil. 2D is interesting with its gimmick, but I think the wings are gonna probably break easily, and from a sideways view it looks bulky, so not very sure whether or not it will have use. Morbius looks like bearing, so I hope it essentially is but with a better spring. The right launcher also looks nice. Overall, an exciting release for sure.

I mean, I doubt the chassis wings will break since there are 6 of them. As for the ring, recoil doesn’t matter much to be honest since you can just use it with a double chassis (if your willing to give it another chassis type, but I’m sure some other types of non defense chassis are good for defense too). Doesn’t look like it has too much recoil to begin with since the spikes are somewhat small-probably has lower recoil than super and brave to be honest. Apollo has seriously poisoned people’s minds about spiky layers.

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Btw, the wings aren’t gonna break guys, there are 6 of them and large amount of contact points effectively means lower recoil which would therefore mean beys with not hit the wings too hard you can relax lmao

Just because it has 6 doesn't mean they won't break...
There's still massive gaps between each one, they're thin strips of plastic, and from what I can see in the pictures, they have a slight upward curve towards the end. Meaning these most likely) aren't for destabilizing by attacking the chassis, they're for blocking attacks from the opponent's layer.

It'd be nice if they didn't break easy/were reinforced somehow, but all the design details physics are pointing towards easy breakage. If you get this bey, do plenty of testing with solo-launching it.

It's not as cut and dry as some people make it out to be, so don't relax yet lmao

(Jun. 15, 2020  8:20 PM)BladerGem Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun. 15, 2020  12:29 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, I doubt the chassis wings will break since there are 6 of them. As for the ring, recoil doesn’t matter much to be honest since you can just use it with a double chassis (if your willing to give it another chassis type, but I’m sure some other types of non defense chassis are good for defense too). Doesn’t look like it has too much recoil to begin with since the spikes are somewhat small-probably has lower recoil than super and brave to be honest. Apollo has seriously poisoned people’s minds about spiky layers.

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Btw, the wings aren’t gonna break guys, there are 6 of them and large amount of contact points effectively means lower recoil which would therefore mean beys with not hit the wings too hard you can relax lmao

Just because it has 6 doesn't mean they won't break...
There's still massive gaps between each one, they're thin strips of plastic, and from what I can see in the pictures, they have a slight upward curve towards the end. Meaning these most likely) aren't for destabilizing by attacking the chassis, they're for blocking attacks from the opponent's layer.

It'd be nice if they didn't break easy/were reinforced somehow, but all the design details physics are pointing towards easy breakage. If you get this bey, do plenty of testing with solo-launching it.

It's not as cut and dry as some people make it out to be, so don't relax yet lmao

yeah there's gaps, but if the bey is spinning fast with all 6 blades moving at high speeds, the gaps are a lot less likely to bit hit. And yeah, the point of the blades are to defend against the opponent (the bey is a defense type right?). Im guessing they wont be super hard and unbreakable, but wont break too often.

(Jun. 15, 2020  8:24 PM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun. 15, 2020  8:20 PM)BladerGem Wrote: [ -> ]Just because it has 6 doesn't mean they won't break...
There's still massive gaps between each one, they're thin strips of plastic, and from what I can see in the pictures, they have a slight upward curve towards the end. Meaning these most likely) aren't for destabilizing by attacking the chassis, they're for blocking attacks from the opponent's layer.

It'd be nice if they didn't break easy/were reinforced somehow, but all the design details physics are pointing towards easy breakage. If you get this bey, do plenty of testing with solo-launching it.

It's not as cut and dry as some people make it out to be, so don't relax yet lmao

yeah there's gaps, but if the bey is spinning fast with all 6 blades moving at high speeds, the gaps are a lot less likely to bit hit. And yeah, the point of the blades are to defend against the opponent (the bey is a defense type right?). Im guessing they wont be super hard and unbreakable, but wont break too often.

The best way I can think of to demonstrate how bad this logic is would be to direct you towards the Cho-Z burst stoppers and the Mugen/Infinite lock system.
All of the above were capable of being hit while spinning at high speeds, while sticking out much, MUCH less.

Even if the blades don't break (which I highly doubt), they'll cripple the beys stamina (which is probably why they put a POM driver on it, tbh).

Still, we won't know with 100% certainty until people get their hands on it and do in-depth video reviews of the chassis.
So who knows? You may very well be right.

Omg I just looked at the chassis and I didn't actually think there was gonna be BLADES on the beyblade. This looks very very very bad

(Jun. 15, 2020  9:31 PM)KnightPro Wrote: [ -> ]Omg I just looked at the chassis and I didn't actually think there was gonna be BLADES on the beyblade. This looks very very very bad

Well, we cant judge till its release. And where do you think the blades where gonna be lol. If anything it'll be meh in most departments, but occasionally doing good on maybe defense.

(Jun. 15, 2020  8:44 PM)BladerGem Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun. 15, 2020  8:24 PM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ]yeah there's gaps, but if the bey is spinning fast with all 6 blades moving at high speeds, the gaps are a lot less likely to bit hit. And yeah, the point of the blades are to defend against the opponent (the bey is a defense type right?). Im guessing they wont be super hard and unbreakable, but wont break too often.

The best way I can think of to demonstrate how bad this logic is would be to direct you towards the Cho-Z burst stoppers and the Mugen/Infinite lock system.
All of the above were capable of being hit while spinning at high speeds, while sticking out much, MUCH less.

Even if the blades don't break (which I highly doubt), they'll cripple the beys stamina (which is probably why they put a POM driver on it, tbh).

Still, we won't know with 100% certainty until people get their hands on it and do in-depth video reviews of the chassis.
So who knows? You may very well be right.

Yeah got what I was trying to say. The thing about the cho z stopper beys is that they all had 2-3 dominant recoil points and the wings usually covered up the recoily areas anyways. Valkyrie has 3, Spriggan has two (black wings) and Achilles has 2 (the shields count as wings but they are not dominant and it’s rather the sword blades). This new bey has a whopping 6 giant sides. As a result of this, when it’s spinning at high velocity it will almost form an impenetrable barrier that reduces recoil making it impossible to actually get caught inside of Lucifers blades until it slows down since they are all of the same length. This means the bey most likely won’t break since it would be near impossible to collide with the fragile side of the 2D chassis blades at full power.

(Jun. 15, 2020  8:19 PM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun. 15, 2020  8:14 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]Not sturdy, but there are 6 of them which significantly reduces the recoil the layer when it is rotating fast creating extra burst resistance meaning beys will only hit Lucifers gaps at moderate damage and the only time beys can effectively hit area between the gaps is when Lucifer is spinning slowly and it wouldn’t get destroyed but something like that.

well yeah, but do you think the blades will hold up while its not spinning slowly? I think they will, and thats what I meant by "sturdy". Im sure they wont break too often (well hope), but we just have to wait and see.

Maybe the blades are made of something stronger than plastic? So it’s sturdy?

(Jun. 15, 2020  9:59 PM)BeybladeCC Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun. 15, 2020  8:19 PM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ]well yeah, but do you think the blades will hold up while its not spinning slowly? I think they will, and thats what I meant by "sturdy". Im sure they wont break too often (well hope), but we just have to wait and see.

Maybe the blades are made of something stronger than plastic? So it’s sturdy?

My bad for not clarifying, when I said not sturdy I didn’t know you guys were talking about blade durability and I thought you were referring to it’s design being sturdy in battle, my bad on that.

(Jun. 15, 2020  10:01 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun. 15, 2020  9:59 PM)BeybladeCC Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe the blades are made of something stronger than plastic? So it’s sturdy?

My bad for not clarifying, when I said not sturdy I didn’t know you guys were talking about blade durability and I thought you were referring to it’s design being sturdy in battle, my bad on that.

Its fine. And I would assume the bey wouldn't be very sturdy without its blades anyway, so it goes hand and hand with the beys durability and the blades I think.

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(Jun. 15, 2020  9:59 PM)BeybladeCC Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun. 15, 2020  8:19 PM)snoc Wrote: [ -> ]well yeah, but do you think the blades will hold up while its not spinning slowly? I think they will, and thats what I meant by "sturdy". Im sure they wont break too often (well hope), but we just have to wait and see.

Maybe the blades are made of something stronger than plastic? So it’s sturdy?

I doubt it would be that much stronger, but prob.

I am very interested in the Mb driver...

I doubt there are any bearings involved, but still a free spinning tip should be pretty great with stamina.

Alright first of, I LOVE the way this looks, the layer looks amazing once again, Mb sounds cool, hopefully it'll have some usage and a free spinning tip with POM? Like Bearing? Hmmm.

Alright let's get to 2D, by far the most interesting part. The wings look like... well coincidentally, an LBX robot called Lucifer with it's translucent pink and all. Secondly... are the wings just going to slide out but locked sideways? Given the length and the wings not being all that sturdy looking, this is gonna break so easily. It looks amazing, I love how interesting and unique it is, but performance wise, it looks poor and may break. The defense type Chassis aren't showing much promise in a competitive sense are they? Hopefully there's an option to lock in the wings though.

(Jun. 16, 2020  1:15 AM)Jinbee Wrote: [ -> ]Alright first of, I LOVE the way this looks, the layer looks amazing once again, Mb sounds cool, hopefully it'll have some usage and a free spinning tip with POM? Like Bearing? Hmmm.

Alright let's get to 2D, by far the most interesting part. The wings look like... well coincidentally, an LBX robot called Lucifer with it's translucent pink and all. Secondly... are the wings just going to slide out but locked sideways? Given the length and the wings not being all that sturdy looking, this is gonna break so easily. It looks amazing, I love how interesting and unique it is, but performance wise, it looks poor and may break. The defense type Chassis aren't showing much promise in a competitive sense are they?

I was expecting them to come out with something like a big wall for maximum defense (or whatever they would call it in their marketing) but I guess not.

(Jun. 15, 2020  9:57 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah got what I was trying to say. The thing about the cho z stopper beys is that they all had 2-3 dominant recoil points and the wings usually covered up the recoily areas anyways. Valkyrie has 3, Spriggan has two (black wings) and Achilles has 2 (the shields count as wings but they are not dominant and it’s rather the sword blades). This new bey has a whopping 6 giant sides. As a result of this, when it’s spinning at high velocity it will almost form an impenetrable barrier that reduces recoil making it impossible to actually get caught inside of Lucifers blades until it slows down since they are all of the same length. This means the bey most likely won’t break since it would be near impossible to collide with the fragile side of the 2D chassis blades at full power.

The Cho-Z burst stoppers aren't quite the same sort of thing here. They do get hit, yes, but 2D is basically the main contact for the first part of battle by itself to the exclusion of all else. There's a difference between "a contact point" and "there is literally nothing else you can hit".

Realistically as long as there's enough space between the blade tips there is a chance that something can get caught between them, as the more space there is the further a bey can move inwards before contact. The high width of the extended blades mitigate this somewhat though due to their faster movement, and if centrifugal force is the only thing keeping the blades extended that might let them bounce inwards to take a hit if they're shaped well. The truth is still that the blades are going to be hit at a lot of bad angles until they retract.

(Jun. 16, 2020  1:28 AM)MagikHorse Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun. 15, 2020  9:57 PM)Zeutron Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah got what I was trying to say. The thing about the cho z stopper beys is that they all had 2-3 dominant recoil points and the wings usually covered up the recoily areas anyways. Valkyrie has 3, Spriggan has two (black wings) and Achilles has 2 (the shields count as wings but they are not dominant and it’s rather the sword blades). This new bey has a whopping 6 giant sides. As a result of this, when it’s spinning at high velocity it will almost form an impenetrable barrier that reduces recoil making it impossible to actually get caught inside of Lucifers blades until it slows down since they are all of the same length. This means the bey most likely won’t break since it would be near impossible to collide with the fragile side of the 2D chassis blades at full power.

The Cho-Z burst stoppers aren't quite the same sort of thing here. They do get hit, yes, but 2D is basically the main contact for the first part of battle by itself to the exclusion of all else. There's a difference between "a contact point" and "there is literally nothing else you can hit".

Realistically as long as there's enough space between the blade tips there is a chance that something can get caught between them, as the more space there is the further a bey can move inwards before contact. The high width of the extended blades mitigate this somewhat though due to their faster movement, and if centrifugal force is the only thing keeping the blades extended that might let them bounce inwards  to take a hit if they're shaped well. The truth is still that the blades are going to be hit at a lot of bad angles until they retract.

I highly doubt the space will be dangerous initially when launched which is when it matters most. Yes you are right about the possibility of something getting stuck in between when beys grip but it will most likely be a lot closer to the ends of the blades and when the bey slows down it couldn’t possibly sustain enough force to break aside from a freak accident which could occur with any bey really.

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By looking at the parts is seems like the blades might be a lot smaller than we think.

Because they either swing out like burst stoppers or swing upwards and are like Blitz.
And I don't see how they would swing outwards like burst stoppers or an exaggerated version of Hazard.

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Nevermind, I just saw how it works. It does slide out. And by the shape of it it doesn't slide back in battle.

delete please

Looking at the close up of 2D is very interesting. The blades almost look folded up inside the chassis, like they are pliable and not just hard, rigid plastic.

Based on this picture I think the breakage issues people were concerned about won’t be an issue. Not sure how much more/less effective that makes the gimmick tho.

https://imgur.com/gallery/Fp0J5pA

I’m also interested to see where the blades make contact with the opposing bey. Coming from the chassis, they might be low enough to avoid the other bey’s layer and maybe make primary contact with the chassis or disc-area of non-sparking Beys.

I feel like this bey gonna be meta cause of the layers shape.

(Jun. 16, 2020  3:24 PM)kai edits Wrote: [ -> ]I feel like this bey gonna be meta cause of the layers shape.

maybe, but I think it might be a bit weak, but since its supposed to have protective blades in its stock combo it doesnt matter much. It does have a good defense shape tho imo, so I have high hopes.