(Dec. 03, 2020 1:04 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 03, 2020 1:01 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]Kars can’t break his limiter because he’s not human (why Genos can’t do it). Saitama is literally, also how would something that doesn’t exsist bring itself to exsistance? Also how could he kill Saitama who can do anything out of sheer willpower, I don’t get why it’s so hard to accept.
Kars can break his limiter using Made In Heaven Ultimate. You just see an ability of Made In Heaven Ultimate over and over again and act like its just negated cause you say so. Stop ignoring the facts. If he sees Saitama break his limiter, he can too thanks o Made In Heaven Ultimate. Accept it.
He can’t do that though because Kars isn’t human. Is it that hard to understand, let me make it simpler for you to understand, Kars no human = no limiter breaking (do you underrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrstand). Also MIHU only accelerates time faster, nothing else. Saitama can also catch up to Kars and kill him before the reset happens (and the reset takes time which is evident in part 6).
(Dec. 03, 2020 1:08 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 03, 2020 1:04 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]Kars can break his limiter using Made In Heaven Ultimate. You just see an ability of Made In Heaven Ultimate over and over again and act like its just negated cause you say so. Stop ignoring the facts. If he sees Saitama break his limiter, he can too thanks o Made In Heaven Ultimate. Accept it.
He can’t do that though because Kars isn’t human. Is it that hard to understand, let me make it simpler for you to understand, Kars no human = no limiter breaking (do you underrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrstand). Also MIHU only accelerates time faster, nothing else. Saitama can also catch up to Kars and kill him before the reset happens (and the reset takes time which is evident in part 6).
Made In Heaven Ultimate doesn't just do that. Here is everything it does. You seem to think an Ultimate Stand can just does the base ability but better, you are sadly mistaken.
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Universe Reset: Made in Heaven Ultimate speeds up time to infinity and creates a brand new universe, but unlike the base STH the ultimate form creates these universes and the changes are rather drastic such as all of the continents forming together to form one whole continent.[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Conceptual Understanding: In basic terms if Kars finds himself facing a concept or ability he does not understand the smallest exposure or even explaining of the ability will cause him to understand it without fail and even allows him to take said ability or concept and use it far beyond the capabilities of the source or concept. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Ultimate Lifeform: Upon using the stone mask Kars changes drastically in the sense that he becomes an absolutely powerful entity capable of storing the DNA of every single living creature known to man and also able to grow wings and fly and various other things. [/font]
Argue how Conceptual Understanding is negated.
He can take simply breaking the limiter way beyond and break his non human limiter.
(Dec. 03, 2020 1:11 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 03, 2020 1:08 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]He can’t do that though because Kars isn’t human. Is it that hard to understand, let me make it simpler for you to understand, Kars no human = no limiter breaking (do you underrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrstand). Also MIHU only accelerates time faster, nothing else. Saitama can also catch up to Kars and kill him before the reset happens (and the reset takes time which is evident in part 6).
Made In Heaven Ultimate doesn't just do that. Here is everything it does. You seem to think an Ultimate Stand can just does the base ability but better, you are sadly mistaken.
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Universe Reset: Made in Heaven Ultimate speeds up time to infinity and creates a brand new universe, but unlike the base STH the ultimate form creates these universes and the changes are rather drastic such as all of the continents forming together to form one whole continent.[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Conceptual Understanding: In basic terms if Kars finds himself facing a concept or ability he does not understand the smallest exposure or even explaining of the ability will cause him to understand it without fail and even allows him to take said ability or concept and use it far beyond the capabilities of the source or concept. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Ultimate Lifeform: Upon using the stone mask Kars changes drastically in the sense that he becomes an absolutely powerful entity capable of storing the DNA of every single living creature known to man and also able to grow wings and fly and various other things. [/font]
Argue how Conceptual Understanding is negated.
The conceptual understanding is negated because he can’t be exposed to it as he would just think that Saitama is very strong (Saitama only has physical boundaries removed), so Kars would think he understands Saitama. Also he would speed blitz Kars before MIHU resets (MIH speeds up the universe, but not the user as shown in part 6, and you haven’t mentioned anything about it speeding up the user in it’s abilities)
(Dec. 03, 2020 1:24 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 03, 2020 1:11 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]Made In Heaven Ultimate doesn't just do that. Here is everything it does. You seem to think an Ultimate Stand can just does the base ability but better, you are sadly mistaken.
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Universe Reset: Made in Heaven Ultimate speeds up time to infinity and creates a brand new universe, but unlike the base STH the ultimate form creates these universes and the changes are rather drastic such as all of the continents forming together to form one whole continent.[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Conceptual Understanding: In basic terms if Kars finds himself facing a concept or ability he does not understand the smallest exposure or even explaining of the ability will cause him to understand it without fail and even allows him to take said ability or concept and use it far beyond the capabilities of the source or concept. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Ultimate Lifeform: Upon using the stone mask Kars changes drastically in the sense that he becomes an absolutely powerful entity capable of storing the DNA of every single living creature known to man and also able to grow wings and fly and various other things. [/font]
Argue how Conceptual Understanding is negated.
The conceptual understanding is negated because he can’t be exposed to it as he would just think that Saitama is very strong (Saitama only has physical boundaries removed), so Kars would think he understands Saitama. Also he would speed blitz Kars before MIHU resets (MIH speeds up the universe, but not the user as shown in part 6, and you haven’t mentioned anything about it speeding up the user in it’s abilities)
He wouldn't have to know. The ability just happens.
He just sees that Saitama got stronger somehow and boom he can now break his limiter
(Dec. 03, 2020 1:28 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 03, 2020 1:24 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]The conceptual understanding is negated because he can’t be exposed to it as he would just think that Saitama is very strong (Saitama only has physical boundaries removed), so Kars would think he understands Saitama. Also he would speed blitz Kars before MIHU resets (MIH speeds up the universe, but not the user as shown in part 6, and you haven’t mentioned anything about it speeding up the user in it’s abilities)
He wouldn't have to know. The ability just happens.
That doesn’t make sense. The ability goes off only if Kars doesn’t understand something right.
(Dec. 03, 2020 1:29 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 03, 2020 1:28 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]He wouldn't have to know. The ability just happens.
That doesn’t make sense. The ability goes off only if Kars doesn’t understand something right.
He would just be like "Woah how'd he get stronger all of a sudden."
(Dec. 03, 2020 1:28 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 03, 2020 1:24 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]The conceptual understanding is negated because he can’t be exposed to it as he would just think that Saitama is very strong (Saitama only has physical boundaries removed), so Kars would think he understands Saitama. Also he would speed blitz Kars before MIHU resets (MIH speeds up the universe, but not the user as shown in part 6, and you haven’t mentioned anything about it speeding up the user in it’s abilities)
He wouldn't have to know. The ability just happens.
He just sees that Saitama got stronger somehow and boom he can now break his limiter
But the thing is that his body can’t possibly break his limiter because unlike humans, his limiter is irreversible.
(Dec. 03, 2020 1:31 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 03, 2020 1:29 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]That doesn’t make sense. The ability goes off only if Kars doesn’t understand something right.
He would just be like "Woah how'd he get stronger all of a sudden."
He’d probably overlook it and be like it’s just a power boost
(Dec. 03, 2020 1:32 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 03, 2020 1:28 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]He wouldn't have to know. The ability just happens.
He just sees that Saitama got stronger somehow and boom he can now break his limiter
But the thing is that his body can’t possibly break his limiter because unlike humans, his limiter is irreversible.
He would take the concept to the next next next level. Thats what the ability does. So he would be able to break the Pillarman limiter.
(Dec. 03, 2020 1:32 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 03, 2020 1:28 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]He wouldn't have to know. The ability just happens.
He just sees that Saitama got stronger somehow and boom he can now break his limiter
But the thing is that his body can’t possibly break his limiter because unlike humans, his limiter is irreversible.
(Dec. 03, 2020 1:31 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]He would just be like "Woah how'd he get stronger all of a sudden."
He’d probably overlook it and be like it’s just a power boost
Kars isnt that stupid lol hes been alive for over ten quadrillion years.
(Dec. 03, 2020 1:33 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 03, 2020 1:32 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]But the thing is that his body can’t possibly break his limiter because unlike humans, his limiter is irreversible.
He would take the concept to the next next next level. Thats what the ability does. So he would be able to break the Pillarman limiter.
(Dec. 03, 2020 1:32 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]But the thing is that his body can’t possibly break his limiter because unlike humans, his limiter is irreversible.
He’d probably overlook it and be like it’s just a power boost
Kars isnt that stupid lol hes been alive for over ten quadrillion years.
How can you just do the impossible? The pillar men limiter isn’t something that can be broken by looking at a human.
(Dec. 03, 2020 1:36 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 03, 2020 1:33 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]He would take the concept to the next next next level. Thats what the ability does. So he would be able to break the Pillarman limiter.
Kars isnt that stupid lol hes been alive for over ten quadrillion years.
How can you just do the impossible? The pillar men limiter isn’t something that can be broken by looking at a human.
He doesnt just gain the ability to break a human limiter, he gains that but far far upgraded
(Dec. 03, 2020 1:37 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 03, 2020 1:36 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]How can you just do the impossible? The pillar men limiter isn’t something that can be broken by looking at a human.
He doesnt just gain the ability to break a human limiter, he gains that but far far upgraded
So he basically gets something he doesn’t have? How would he use the ability to break the human limiter on his pillerman body? It’s like trying to make mfb and burst compatible. Even if he has the ability to break the human limiter it’s useless to the ultimate organism
(Dec. 03, 2020 1:39 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 03, 2020 1:37 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]He doesnt just gain the ability to break a human limiter, he gains that but far far upgraded
So he basically gets something he doesn’t have? How would he use the ability to break the human limiter on his pillerman body? It’s like trying to make mfb and burst compatible. Even if he has the ability to break the human limiter it’s useless to the ultimate organism
its just the ability to break a human limiter but like 10x above that. At that point it goes beyond just a simple human limiter break.
(Dec. 03, 2020 1:42 AM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 03, 2020 1:39 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]So he basically gets something he doesn’t have? How would he use the ability to break the human limiter on his pillerman body? It’s like trying to make mfb and burst compatible. Even if he has the ability to break the human limiter it’s useless to the ultimate organism
its just the ability to break a human limiter but like 10x above that. At that point it goes beyond just a simple human limiter break.
I’ll stick to my truth and you can stick to your truth. Good bye for the rest of the month.
(Dec. 02, 2020 11:29 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 02, 2020 10:27 PM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ]this is the first time i'm gonna say this but kars is gonna obliterate saitama. literally he can summon any stand and every stand he has has infinite power, speed, durability, and attack power. kars is actually the strongest character in anime, manga, light novel history. His threat level should be boundless. imagine any stand but ∞x stronger, faster, and durable.
Saitama has no limits. Saitama is literally stronger than himself. (He once faced off against himself and obliterated himself in one punch). Saitama is meant to be the strongest hero in exsistance. But knowing you you would deny it all.
I just love the fact that everyone agrees with me and ur just the loner.
Saitama can destroy a galaxy if he wants to so we can assume he is at least Galaxy level and no wayy kars would beat him probably be the same situation as boros
(Dec. 03, 2020 12:18 AM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 02, 2020 11:54 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ]Did you even read the paragraph? Saitama is absolutely dead. Kars has unlimited speed and can instantly summon unlimited blank discs. Dodging them isn't possible. Kars can rip out Saitama's soul. He can nullify every one of Saitama's attacks. Uboat can go into Saitama's cells and obliterate them. He can activate Bites Za Dusto whenever he wants at will. Kars can instantly heal himself of every injury. He can make infinite copies of himself all with each of his stands. Just concede already, there's no way Saitama can win this fight.
Kars said himself if he was erased out of existence he would simply find a way back. There is no way to stop Kars. You tell me a way Novel Kars can be stopped.
Like bruh Saiki K (my prof pic) and immediately erase Saitama from existence at will and he's from a comedy anime.
brb eating this should give you enough time to at least attempt a counter argument.
Saitama also has unlimited speed, durability, and power. If Kars was erased out of exsistance ain’t no way in hell he’s coming back (I don’t think you understand the definition of erased). Also bites the dust only activates when something that the user is hiding is found out via the host telling the person. Kars can be stopped by a punch that breaks each atom of his exsistance and Saitama is precise enough to do that (he hit a beam of energy and split it into half, and he has disintegrated people before). I remember in episode 2 saitama was able to survive a horde of mosquitoes trying to suck his blood. If Saitama wanted to he could one punch Kars because Kars has limits, something Saitama doesn’t. Also Kars would have to put the cd into Saitama which is definitely something he can’t do.
Saitama can’t be physically hurt, and he’s definitely faster than MIH (since he doesn’t have a limiter)
Kars can't die it's stated. In the anime it says even if he wanted to he can't. If he can't die in the anime what makes you think he can in the novel. just give up me and eclipse force won this debate.
(Dec. 03, 2020 3:24 AM)Needforspeed Wrote: [ -> ]Saitama can destroy a galaxy if he wants to so we can assume he is at least Galaxy level and no wayy kars would beat him probably be the same situation as boros
We're talking Novel Kars. Novel Kars is absolutely broken.
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Origins: Jorge Joestar[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Classification: Pillarman, Stand user[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Threat Level: Celestial+[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Age: Over ten quadrillion years old[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Gender: Male[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Powers and Abilities: Superhuman physical characteristics, Light Mode, Bodily Manipulation, Immortality, Ripple usage, Enhanced Senses, Regeneration, Soul Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Conceptual Understanding, Power Mimicry, Gravity Manipulation, Reality Warping, Adaption, Parallel Universe Creation, Time Manipulation, Healing, Immortality, Sand Manipulation, Universe recreation, Reactive evolution[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Physical Strength: At least small planet level (can easily run while dragging a couple of moons)[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Attack potency/Destructive Capacity: At least low multiverse+, possibly high multiverse+ (stronger than beings who destroyed the universe 37 times over, stronger than Dio who killed Giorno with GER, likely stronger than Tusk Act-4)[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Durability: At least universe+, possibly high multiverse+ (Was able to withstand several explosions from Killer Queen and regenerated from getting punched into nothing but blood. Survived 37 universal resets.) [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Speed: Immeasurable (Was able to move freely even while time was being accelerated by Made in Heaven Requiem.) [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Intelligence: At least hyper genius. Was capable of understanding Stands despite never seeing them until then, was able to point out Dio's weaknesses even before fighting him. Understood the concept of Heaven in mere seconds. Told Jorge that he was a singularity and knew about parallel worlds in an instant. Understands concepts almost instantly even if he does not have knowledge on said concept(s).[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Stamina: Limitless. Literally ran for a quadrillion years while dragging 2 moons without tiring[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Range: Multiversal. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Weaknesses: None notable. (While the stands have their weaknesses so to speak Kars himself has no weakness. One could argue he must be exposed to the ability, but even then that is somewhat questionable.) [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Standard equipment: None [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Noteworthy techniques and abilities[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]The stands and other abilities Kars has will be explained here. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Whitesnake Ultimate: Akin to its base form Whitesnake Ultimate now dons 3 heads with 3 different faces its prime ability is creating disks which it has two versions of: One disk being composed of memories while the other is composed of the soul/stand. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Kars is capable of inserting himself with various disks or memories without penalty.[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Kars is also capable of creating more than likely an infinite amount of blank disks that when shoved into someone will attempt to register it as a stand thus causing their body to breakdown and be destroyed. This was demonstrated on Dio when he was completely immortal and was killed by this ability. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Das Boot Ultimate: A stand that originally belonged to Narancia that Kars stole its powers are size reduction or increasing its size. It also posseses intangibility similar to that of Diver down in which the submarines can shrink down to very small sizes and phase through bodies and even can dive through small particles of blood. Kars also has used this ability to fight Dio making Submarines that were almost as big as skyscrapers with the damage to back them up. Their is great power behind the missles it fires. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Dune Ultimate: The stand that belonged to Sandman is capable of turning 98 percent of Kars's body into sand thus rendering him nigh impervious to damage and also is capable of creating pillars which it can trap people in. It uses sand from the environment to attack others also. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]The World Ultimate: Is capable of Stopping time for atleast 1 hour, but in Kars's possession it may be infinite. According to Jorge Dio was a time traveling Vampire and with that it is more than likely that The World Ultimate is capable of Time travel. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]C-Moon Ultimate: C-Moon Ultmate hasn't changed much ability wise except it is now able to focus gravity on a singular area thus how it brought Dio and Pucci outside the walls of Great Britain. It should be noted that it can still effect a large radius just like its base counterpart. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Killer Queen Ultimate: While not getting called Ultimate Killer Queen is much different. Kars can now activate Bites the Dust whenever he pleases. When asked by Jorge how he'd get back to 37 universes ago and noting that KQ can only go back 1 hour Kars said time was not a problem for him and proceeded to grab Kira and reverse time to the base universe. After being blown up once the target will continue to explode but this time time will not rewind and only will start if someone else activates BTD. It has its other abilitiy such as bomb transmutation. Kars also persuaded Killer Queen to leave Kira, but not before ripping KQ right out of him. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]D4C Ultimate : D4C retains its abilities of dimensional travel, but when D4CUR travels it is actually creating other universes. These universes are "fake" and have no real effect on the base universe. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Kars is also resistant to the menger sponge effect meaning he cannot be paradoxed. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Kars is also able to bring other versions of himself from different universes however, unlike Funny Valentine who could simply bring copies who did not have stands; Kars is able to bring infinite copies of himself and they all retain their stands just like him. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Made in Heaven Ultimate:[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Universe Reset: Made in Heaven Ultimate speeds up time to infinity and creates a brand new universe, but unlike the base STH the ultimate form creates these universes and the changes are rather drastic such as all of the continents forming together to form one whole continent.[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Conceptual Understanding: In basic terms if Kars finds himself facing a concept or ability he does not understand the smallest exposure or even explaining of the ability will cause him to understand it without fail and even allows him to take said ability or concept and use it far beyond the capabilities of the source or concept. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Ultimate Lifeform: Upon using the stone mask Kars changes drastically in the sense that he becomes an absolutely powerful entity capable of storing the DNA of every single living creature known to man and also able to grow wings and fly and various other things. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Kars is able to heal others no matter how bad the damage is. He healed Jorge after he exploded into pieces saying that as long as the soul was still intact he could heal him note, he did this instantly. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]If one is to try and take a stand away from Kars and tries to use it as their own they will be destroyed as Kars is the only one who may use the stands he created. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Kars is the only being capable of having multiple stands despite Dio having the Passion it is not regarded as a stand per say. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Kars is a good guy and sees the worth in humanity. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]![[Image: 180?cb=20170320052412]](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/topstrongest/images/4/4d/Kars_Dune.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20170320052412)
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[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Dune Ultimate[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]![[Image: 180?cb=20170320052431]](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/topstrongest/images/9/95/Kars_Killer_Queen.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20170320052431)
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[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Killer Queen Ultimate[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]![[Image: 180?cb=20170320052451]](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/topstrongest/images/6/65/Kars_D4C.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20170320052451)
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[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]D4C Ultimate[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]It should be noted that Dio killed Giorno while GER was active and Kars was able to kill Dio so it is possible that Kars is acausual in nature. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Kars states that if he were to be erased from existence he'd simply find his way back. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]He stayed as strands of hair despite being sent through to several other dimensions via Funny Valentine. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Was able to react to an attack even in stopped time. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Made several human heads appear from an untraceable drop of blood on Kira's chin. These heads can be interpreted as souls and such Kars is able to create and take souls even without the use of Whitesnake. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Killed the Immortal Dio. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Can also use light mode to create explosions.[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Despite having just learned about stands Kars tells Jorge that Made In Heaven was always his stand despite seeing the stand right then and there. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]![[Image: 180?cb=20170320053146]](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/topstrongest/images/1/14/Kars_U-Boat.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20170320053146)
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[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]UBoat Ultimate[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]![[Image: 180?cb=20170320053206]](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/topstrongest/images/d/d1/Kars_The_World.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20170320053206)
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[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]The World Ultimate[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]When Kars takes an ability/concept he simply says "I understand your ability now." [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]![[Image: 180?cb=20170320053257]](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/topstrongest/images/d/d4/Kars_Whitesnake.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20170320053257)
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[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Whitesnake Ultimate[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]![[Image: 180?cb=20170320053314]](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/topstrongest/images/8/8c/Kars_C-Moon.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20170320053314)
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[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]C-Moon Ultimate[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Was able to turn the moon itself into a living creature and also held a third moon like a balloon and ran around the original moon for 10 quadrillion years. The tendrils on the moon extended to 100Km. [/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Kars hit Morioh so hard that he flipped it and Great Britain.[/font]
[font="Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Kars has also stated that he can survive multiple universes or parallel universes.[/font]
(Dec. 03, 2020 3:24 AM)Needforspeed Wrote: [ -> ]Saitama can destroy a galaxy if he wants to so we can assume he is at least Galaxy level and no wayy kars would beat him probably be the same situation as boros
were not saying anime/manga kars were talking about Novel Kars.
(Dec. 02, 2020 9:16 PM)Eclipse Force Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 02, 2020 8:47 PM)6Jupiter5 Wrote: [ -> ]No way he could beat Speedwagon over heaven requiem, and no way he could beat the omnipotents (he’s universal, but not all powerful). He can’t solo opm universe
He is kinda all powerful tho.....
Origins: Jorge Joestar
Classification: Pillarman, Stand user
Threat Level: Celestial+
Age: Over ten quadrillion years old
Gender: Male
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman physical characteristics, Light Mode, Bodily Manipulation, Immortality, Ripple usage, Enhanced Senses, Regeneration, Soul Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Conceptual Understanding, Power Mimicry, Gravity Manipulation, Reality Warping, Adaption, Parallel Universe Creation, Time Manipulation, Healing, Immortality, Sand Manipulation, Universe recreation, Reactive evolution
Physical Strength: At least small planet level (can easily run while dragging a couple of moons)
Attack potency/Destructive Capacity: At least low multiverse+, possibly high multiverse+ (stronger than beings who destroyed the universe 37 times over, stronger than Dio who killed Giorno with GER, likely stronger than Tusk Act-4)
Durability: At least universe+, possibly high multiverse+ (Was able to withstand several explosions from Killer Queen and regenerated from getting punched into nothing but blood. Survived 37 universal resets.)
Speed: Immeasurable (Was able to move freely even while time was being accelerated by Made in Heaven Requiem.)
Intelligence: At least hyper genius. Was capable of understanding Stands despite never seeing them until then, was able to point out Dio's weaknesses even before fighting him. Understood the concept of Heaven in mere seconds. Told Jorge that he was a singularity and knew about parallel worlds in an instant. Understands concepts almost instantly even if he does not have knowledge on said concept(s).
Stamina: Limitless. Literally ran for a quadrillion years while dragging 2 moons without tiring
Range: Multiversal.
Weaknesses: None notable. (While the stands have their weaknesses so to speak Kars himself has no weakness. One could argue he must be exposed to the ability, but even then that is somewhat questionable.)
Standard equipment: None
I just started the show so the only things I understood were "Ripple", "Dio", and "Immortality". LMAO!
(Dec. 03, 2020 3:27 AM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 03, 2020 3:24 AM)Needforspeed Wrote: [ -> ]Saitama can destroy a galaxy if he wants to so we can assume he is at least Galaxy level and no wayy kars would beat him probably be the same situation as boros
were not saying anime/manga kars were talking about Novel Kars.
So why is this even a argument that kars is non canon and bizarrely op
(Dec. 03, 2020 4:48 AM)Needforspeed Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 03, 2020 3:27 AM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ]were not saying anime/manga kars were talking about Novel Kars.
So why is this even a argument that kars is non canon and bizarrely op
he isnt non canon. that guy with the piplup pp is making dumb points of how goku is beating novel kars
(Dec. 03, 2020 5:42 AM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 03, 2020 4:48 AM)Needforspeed Wrote: [ -> ]So why is this even a argument that kars is non canon and bizarrely op
he isnt non canon. that guy with the piplup pp is making dumb points of how goku is beating novel kars
The novel itself isnt written by araki therefore its non canon and not saying im a bias or the r word goku can still compete if he go blood lusted but lets not argue that here this because the convo will be toxic
(Dec. 03, 2020 7:09 AM)Needforspeed Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 03, 2020 5:42 AM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ]he isnt non canon. that guy with the piplup pp is making dumb points of how goku is beating novel kars
The novel itself isnt written by araki therefore its non canon and not saying im a bias or the r word goku can still compete if he go blood lusted but lets not argue that here this because the convo will be toxic
I'm gonna say this for the last time. Novel Kars solos the db universe. There are 166 stands in the jojo universe all of them are requiem ultimate which means that they have infinite attack power, strength, speed, durability, etc. and he can summon all of them at once at his will. his threat level is boundless which exceeds over all being in anime existence.
(Dec. 03, 2020 7:13 AM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ] (Dec. 03, 2020 7:09 AM)Needforspeed Wrote: [ -> ]The novel itself isnt written by araki therefore its non canon and not saying im a bias or the r word goku can still compete if he go blood lusted but lets not argue that here this because the convo will be toxic if i do tell you
I'm gonna say this for the last time. Novel Kars solos the db universe. There are 166 stands in the jojo universe all of them are requiem ultimate which means that they have infinite attack power, strength, speed, durability, etc. and he can summon all of them at once at his will. his threat level is boundless which exceeds over all being in anime existence.
There is one character in particular that novel kars can't beat in db universe but I won't tell you because this covo is going to be toxic
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