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I’m still a bit new to how forums and threads along with making one, but I’m curious to know if the anime stuff for beyburst is drafted like the bey parts are? There are a lot of inaccuracies to the information that is given there along with mistakes in a lot of grammar parts and such, and I was wondering if these were drafted before being put up?

Sorry if there is already a thread about this! Please link me if there is—

(Jun. 28, 2019  7:07 PM)Okanie Wrote: [ -> ]I’m still a bit new to how forums and threads along with making one, but I’m curious to know if the anime stuff for beyburst is drafted like the bey parts are? There are a lot of inaccuracies to the information that is given there along with mistakes in a lot of grammar parts and such, and I was wondering if these were drafted before being put up?

Sorry if there is already a thread about this! Please link me if there is—

Not many moderators update the wiki anymore like they used to. I remember when I was a mod, in Beyblade Burst God. They used to be keen about minor details (Take a look at season 1 characters now compare this to GT. Yeah, a big difference.) now it is all dead, I understand all this. Since Burst is coming to an end, there are people who join and leave. A lot of people left Beyblade and other anime in general because of this so-called "popular" game known as Fortnite. 

Well, what does this lead to? The moderators don't update their information they drafted. Also, I agree with the part where the wiki is inaccurate sometimes.

There's a lot of inaccuracies from what I can see and it kind of gears more towards fanfiction if anything else... I mean it's been like this since I've been into Burst and it's been... maybe two years now? I still see people are trying to fix it or add things in, but... I got to the point where I didn't trust anything on there since my time being in the burst fandom...

(Jul. 17, 2019  1:54 AM)Okanie Wrote: [ -> ]There's a lot of inaccuracies from what I can see and it kind of gears more towards fanfiction if anything else... I mean it's been like this since I've been into Burst and it's been... maybe two years now? I still see people are trying to fix it or add things in, but... I got to the point where I didn't trust anything on there since my time being in the burst fandom...

May you please show an instance of the fanfiction thing? Users on there know when the info is Fanon/Canon, and we quickly revert false quotes and anything that strays far from Canon

Are we allowed to make edits on the main pages for the characters/episodes and such cuz some of those character histories be lacking?

Let's see... there's the Top Five page which makes it seem as if it's a team more than what it actually is? Top Five literally is just the top five in ranking wise-- also the top blader title isn't just passed around easily unless there's confirmation, specifically Hearts or Aiga or Phi shouldn't be in the top five unless their ranks are confirmed to be in the ranks. Lui also shouldn't be considered a leader in it considering his match with Free was unofficial along with, again, the rankings don't change that easily.

Shu also isn't really a current owner of New York Bulls as his character profile just says 'leader of NY Bulls'-- it could be said that he could be somewhat of a coach or something but certainly not an owner. Aiga shouldn't really be in the 4 Zetsu either considering it was never confirmed if he was a part of that group-- and that group mostly just consisted of champions from around the world (but, again, never was confirmed).

There's also that whole bit with Free and Shu which never happened-- Free has a whole paragraph on as to how Shu became Red Eye when that never happened. They were never bitter rivals to each other and the only reason Free was interested in battling Shu was because Valt talked about Shu a lot. Shu wasn't really aiming for Free during their match nor were Free's comments the driving force that made Shu become Red Eye-- that's more due to the fact that he wasn't catching up with Valt quick enough as Valt was literally getting further and further away from him. That seems more closer to interpretation rather than what happened...

Another would be Fubuki's last name which does not contain the kanji for crimson. His name literally means 'ink inlet' which is a color (ink is black), and while the kanji does look similar it's not the same. There's a few more instances with this such as Nika's name-- it doesn't mean smile, but more 'summer day' which shows that Tokonatsu and Nika are twins. Same with Drum's last name Koryu-- it has the same romaji for the Yellow Dragon but actual translation for the kanji is 'rainbow dragon' (somehow this gets changed a lot).

There was also the whole issue of there being fanart on wiki in which it shouldn't even be on there considering how bad beyburst fandom is with reposting. But I think that was mostly sorted out?

Those are only the few that I can think on the top of my head. If it's about quotes-- I'm not too sure about that.

(Jul. 17, 2019  3:21 AM)Okanie Wrote: [ -> ]Let's see... there's the Top Five page which makes it seem as if it's a team more than what it actually is? Top Five literally is just the top five in ranking wise-- also the top blader title isn't just passed around easily unless there's confirmation, specifically Hearts or Aiga or Phi shouldn't be in the top five unless their ranks are confirmed to be in the ranks. Lui also shouldn't be considered a leader in it considering his match with Free was unofficial along with, again, the rankings don't change that easily.

Shu also isn't really a current owner of New York Bulls as his character profile just says 'leader of NY Bulls'-- it could be said that he could be somewhat of a coach or something but certainly not an owner. Aiga shouldn't really be in the 4 Zetsu either considering it was never confirmed if he was a part of that group-- and that group mostly just consisted of champions from around the world (but, again, never was confirmed).

There's also that whole bit with Free and Shu which never happened-- Free has a whole paragraph on as to how Shu became Red Eye when that never happened. They were never bitter rivals to each other and the only reason Free was interested in battling Shu was because Valt talked about Shu a lot. Shu wasn't really aiming for Free during their match nor were Free's comments the driving force that made Shu become Red Eye-- that's more due to the fact that he wasn't catching up with Valt quick enough as Valt was literally getting further and further away from him. That seems more closer to interpretation rather than what happened...

Another would be Fubuki's last name which does not contain the kanji for crimson. His name literally means 'ink inlet' which is a color (ink is black), and while the kanji does look similar it's not the same. There's a few more instances with this such as Nika's name-- it doesn't mean smile, but more 'summer day' which shows that Tokonatsu and Nika are twins. Same with Drum's last name Koryu-- it has the same romaji for the Yellow Dragon but actual translation for the kanji is 'rainbow dragon' (somehow this gets changed a lot).

There was also the whole issue of there being fanart on wiki in which it shouldn't even be on there considering how bad beyburst fandom is with reposting. But I think that was mostly sorted out?

Those are only the few that I can think on the top of my head. If it's about quotes-- I'm not too sure about that.

Well, shows and media certainly arent all about “tell, not Shu.” Free influencing Shu is just as much as Lui influncing Shu — the reason Shu came into the Snake Pit was for power. Just because they dont say it, doesnt mean you can infer. Infering obviously cant be used all the time, so I agree with it; but media and shows are all about “show, not tell,” because we are intelligent beings and we are capable of infering

Fan art? Fan art isnt allowed on pages, and we typically undo any edits involving fan art used on CANON pages. Using fan art isnt a problem on the wiki, as long as you keep it within personal spaces like your Profile Page (though, I highly encourage crediting. However, some people draw fan art for one another on the wiki. Users are more concened about fan art ON the Canon pages. But the problem with fan art is that, while it’s the artists work, they obviously dont own the characters they drew. If I drew Norman Tarver, hes still Hiro Morita’s character so Im obviously breaking the law)

All in all, people who complain about the wiki(s) should obviously try to edit themselves. Its very easy to make a wiki account, even if you have no email. They can come straight in and fix all they want; complaining gets nobody anywhere. All wikis live like that; you dont like it, you change. If you cant change it, then change the attitude. Thats what every wiki user lives for, and they can edit as they see fit

I mean I never even considered the wiki a place for information due to the inaccuracies in them-- the problem is, it's when people refer to it as a basis or source of information for burst and claim that it's canon. That's when it becomes a problem for some while a few others just see the site as a joke at this point. And while there is the option to edit, it'd take a while to even have the information match up with canon because there's so many fanon facts over canon. It's fine if wiki users want to keep it that way, but they can't get upset when people either see it as a joke or when inaccuracies are pointed out-- the pages can be edited by any user at any time.

An example of this would be Koryu-- it had the right fact of his name meaning rainbow, however that was quickly deleted and his color was kept to it being yellow. His character profile page is blue and the character literally means rainbow. Why was it suddenly edited out?

Lui seemed more of a bigger reason as to why Shu would go into Snake Pit. Free never even cared to battle Shu later on in the God Blader's Cup-- he seemed way more interested in Valt's improvements within the tournament and that's actually shown in the show. I referred to things that are actually shown so it's not so much as 'show but not tell' but literally 'it's right there.' It'd be understandable if the person has no prior knowledge of burst and just knew the characters, and was thrusted into a random episode.

Credit or not, I feel the fanart part should be something that is drawn themselves or asked permission from the actual artist. Even if it's a profile or personal page, users should ask the artist as that's really harmful to artists in the burst community. Many artists don't even want their artworks outside of their own profiles-- and I speak through experiences from this.

(Jul. 17, 2019  3:47 AM)Okanie Wrote: [ -> ]I mean I never even considered the wiki a place for information due to the inaccuracies in them-- the problem is, it's when people refer to it as a basis or source of information for burst and claim that it's canon. That's when it becomes a problem for some while a few others just see the site as a joke at this point. And while there is the option to edit, it'd take a while to even have the information match up with canon because there's so many fanon facts over canon. It's fine if wiki users want to keep it that way, but they can't get upset when people either see it as a joke or when inaccuracies are pointed out-- the pages can be edited by any user at any time.

An example of this would be Koryu-- it had the right fact of his name meaning rainbow, however that was quickly deleted and his color was kept to it being yellow. His character profile page is blue and the character literally means rainbow. Why was it suddenly edited out?

Lui seemed more of a bigger reason as to why Shu would go into Snake Pit. Free never even cared to battle Shu later on in the God Blader's Cup-- he seemed way more interested in Valt's improvements within the tournament and that's actually shown in the show. I referred to things that are actually shown so it's not so much as 'show but not tell' but literally 'it's right there.' It'd be understandable if the person has no prior knowledge of burst and just knew the characters, and was thrusted into a random episode.

Credit or not, I feel the fanart part should be something that is drawn themselves or asked permission from the actual artist. Even if it's a profile or personal page, users should ask the artist as that's really harmful to artists in the burst community. Many artists don't even want their artworks outside of their own profiles-- and I speak through experiences from this.

What do you mean by his character profile page is blue? The Beyblade Wiki had coded the entire wiki’s theme to be blue. It isnt exclusive to Koryu, if thats what you mean? I dont quite get what you mean, since the Beyblade Wiki’s theme has been blue for quite some time now. The wiki has problems far worse than changing colors

I do agree with the art thing. But strictly speaking, a Canon wiki has even more concerns than art theft. Art theft is something usually regulated by a Fanon wiki, or just mods in general. And as of now, the crats and admins are not accepting new mods; meaning, no mods who are interested in protecting artist rights. And with me handling art theft on other wikis, I simply have no power on the Beyblade wiki because 1) Anime is bound to have art theft in general. Trust me, the Pokémon fandom has it far worse than Beyblade. All Pikachu fan art is clearly seen as the same, with no one caring who drew this and that, and 2) Im a regular user, and it seems petty if I march around finding newbies to screech at for stealing art. The most they could do is link back. And 3) Im sure artists have power to come over and tell art thieves to take off their art. Thats what I do when I see theft on other websites, though its with my writing instead of art

Oh, no I don't mean that-- sorry if I made it unclear for the misunderstanding-- I meant his actual character page on the actual beyblade site. Not wiki-- there's not an issue with the color scheme on wiki. Just the information pertaining to the characters is what most are concerned about.

When putting it that way-- there's a high chance that artists will just block their artwork from getting out or actually filing a report-- however that's not possible for many considering language barrier. For example, say your writing is translated without permission nor given credit to you, and while you do want to contact the person who took your writing-- they have limited English or a limited understanding. Google translate doesn't always translate things crisp and clear for you either. And the report system that's on there, isn't in a language you understand.

That's how it is for artists in the burst community, a great many of them have limited to no English and they often experience high anxiety when confronting reposters themselves due to the language barrier. They're not comfortable with communicating in English as that's not their native tongue-- there's also the fact that the report systems seem daunting and scary to them as well as they would have to fill out a bunch of information. And this is on a site that they would never use-- being alerted to finding out that your piece was stolen? Doesn't really make you wanna associate with the show anymore.

Many artists have had to move to private, take down their work, or ask others in help for getting justice for their actual work. Again, I speak through experiences and through the experiences that I've had to help others with as well. They even have reposting is prohibited on their site that their artwork is on or even in the picture-- I'm not saying that you personally have to regulate it-- I'm just stating as to what the big issue with reposting is in the fandom. Burst is a small community as it is, especially with fanart and it's heartbreaking to see people literally not want to draw or open up to other fans due to this mess.

Sorry, I didn't mean to go on about reposting-- but I feel extremely strongly about it as it has affected me and so many artists that I know.

just wanting to point out that why some people are in certain rankings is due to who has beaten who, aiga bet everyone in the z4 that's why he is included into the page, also shu and free did have some interaction due to being in the raging bulls. in the anime free beats shu and ashtem used this opportunity of weakness to manipulate him into turning into red eye. Some stuff on the wiki maybe be unclear but still factual information

The purpose of the wiki is just to give people a general idea. We may not be precisely 100% accurate, but we do not want to provide obviously false information like Shu dating Lui

(Jul. 17, 2019  1:56 PM)_callumspicer Wrote: [ -> ]just wanting to point out that why some people are in certain rankings is due to who has beaten who, aiga bet everyone in the z4 that's why he is included into the page, also shu and free did have some interaction due to being in the raging bulls. in the anime free beats shu and ashtem used this opportunity of weakness to manipulate him into turning into red eye. Some stuff on the wiki maybe be unclear but still factual information

That’s not how rankings work though, if it was then it would have been confirmed in anime or manga. Rankings is more based on the blader’s history and that’s more elaborated in the manga (while I can’t fault for people who follow the anime) I think it’s best to just omit that out considering it’s unnecessary and not factual at all. Aiga hasn’t been in many official tournaments to have a lot of history under his belt to gain titles such as that— and shouldn’t even be considered a 4 zestu unless you’re making it a 5 zetsu...

They had interaction but I wouldn’t call Free being the driving force that had Shu going to the Snake Pit as wiki has put it. The two never thought of each other after their battle so why are they considered bitter rivals and not Shu and Lui as that was a bigger reason as to why Shu wanted power to get stronger.

It’s not factual information if it’s based on assumptions rather than what is confirmed in the story.... it’s not so much a general idea at that point, but rather what is thought of than what is actually there....

Ummm, Okanie, didn't Shu lose to Free, and then when he went all mental, he went Dragon Slayer on Longinus and Fafnir?
Cuz in episode 36 after he spoke to Boa, we got the flashback where Free's like "You can't beat me as the blader you are". Normal people wouldn't drop to the floor.
Free's kinda like the second catalyst.
Then during his "Requiem Project montage", Free and Fafnir's part of "I'll win at any costs", which yeah, Lui and Valt by default are Shu's driving forces, but Free's still the third, and its not unreasonable for someone to have multiple driving forces.
And Free said he wanted to battle Red Eye in the finals after forfeiting to Valt.

The wiki is not responsible for someone butthurt over different inferences. The wiki safely assumes what is safe to assume, and we brush down any false information right away. As such, we do not allow fanon theories in the trivia section (ex. “Valt may be related to Tyson). We only go by what the show gives us, such as Free vs Shu, etc.

It’s not butthurt differences when information is false and fanon. Assuming that Free and Shu were bitter rivals when the two hardly had any thought or interaction with one another is not factual, that’s false information. Switching out top five just because of assumption is false information, claiming that top five is still relevant in Chou-z is false information. That’s not being butthurt about differences, that’s actually outright stating something is wrong. Stating that Drum’s last name in the trivia means ‘yellow dragon’ but not explaining the kanji is false information, stating that Fubuki’s last name Sumie has the character for crimson is false information and could cause a misunderstanding.

So while, yes, wiki is not responsible for differences of assumptions— audience is not responsible for wiki being butthurt over when it is made fun of or called out on false information.

(Jul. 17, 2019  8:54 PM)Okanie Wrote: [ -> ]It’s not butthurt differences when information is false and fanon. Assuming that Free and Shu were bitter rivals when the two hardly had any thought or interaction with one another is not factual, that’s false information. Switching out top five just because of assumption is false information, claiming that top five is still relevant in Chou-z is false information. That’s not being butthurt about differences, that’s actually outright stating something is wrong. Stating that Drum’s last name in the trivia means ‘yellow dragon’ but not explaining the kanji is false information, stating that Fubuki’s last name Sumie has the character for crimson is false information and could cause a misunderstanding.

So while, yes, wiki is not responsible for differences of assumptions— audience is not responsible for wiki being butthurt over when it is made fun of or called out on false information.

Of course. But it depends on what the audience wants to do about it. That is why so many countries chose to take part in becoming independent from their mother country — they gotta do it themselves. We cant do anything against people calling the wiki out for false information. That is based on whether they want to fix it or not. If they complain so much, we will welcome them with open arms and let them edit to whatever they wish. If not, then theyre allowed to be petty about something they had power to fix, but chooses not to

Its the wiki rule, it seems

(Jul. 17, 2019  8:54 PM)Okanie Wrote: [ -> ]It’s not butthurt differences when information is false and fanon. Assuming that Free and Shu were bitter rivals when the two hardly had any thought or interaction with one another is not factual, that’s false information. Switching out top five just because of assumption is false information, claiming that top five is still relevant in Chou-z is false information. That’s not being butthurt about differences, that’s actually outright stating something is wrong. Stating that Drum’s last name in the trivia means ‘yellow dragon’ but not explaining the kanji is false information, stating that Fubuki’s last name Sumie has the character for crimson is false information and could cause a misunderstanding.

So while, yes, wiki is not responsible for differences of assumptions— audience is not responsible for wiki being butthurt over when it is made fun of or called out on false information.

Fun fact, you can have a rivalry with people from only a small amount of interactions in show, they aren't bitter rivals though...but Shu really wanted to take him down so its technically bitter on his side of things.

What if it was true but they just didn't put the kanji? Its not false information if its true. That's like if you said Ryuga died and someone else said you was false because you didn't add that he died because of Rago so therefore, it's false information. Its a piece of trivia, not a summary or book report of the character's etymology.

Look, long story short, its not a big deal, make the changes on the wiki if you want, that's what its for. If the mods agree, nothing will change, and if the mods disagree, they'll edit the changes. I've only made 24 edits on the Beyblade wiki, and about 1,250 edits on the Danball Senki wiki, and the two times the mods intervened, it was for a quick mistake I made with a name (Zac's Japanese name) or that I uploaded a image with subtitles when I shouldn't (Danball Senki...another sports anime of similar style and animated), and they advised me to just find a raw image to use instead. And so I did.

Sorry guys if I try to change the topic IN ANY way but...

It'd be fine if it wasn't used as a source of information since many of the things are false. While people are allowed to fix it, who's to say that someone won't change it back. I've seen edits of someone attempting to make a character page for Salamander repeatedly for some reason. But I guess it's fine to spread false information if that's the purpose of the wiki. Or if the wiki is supposed to be considered a parody, that works too. Long story short, you can let people be petty I guess if that's fine, but you can't defend saying that wiki is canon/factual when it's clearly not.

(Jul. 17, 2019  10:57 PM)Strider Xanthos Wrote: [ -> ]Fun fact, you can have a rivalry with people from only a small amount of interactions in show, they aren't bitter rivals though...but Shu really wanted to take him down so its technically bitter on his side of things.

What if it was true but they just didn't put the kanji? Its not false information if its true. That's like if you said Ryuga died and someone else said you was false because you didn't add that he died because of Rago so therefore, it's false information. Its a piece of trivia, not a summary or book report of the character's etymology.

Look, long story short, its not a big deal, make the changes on the wiki if you want, that's what its for. If the mods agree, nothing will change, and if the mods disagree, they'll edit the changes. I've only made 24 edits on the Beyblade wiki, and about 1,250 edits on the Danball Senki wiki, and the two times the mods intervened, it was for a quick mistake I made with a name (Zac's Japanese name) or that I uploaded a image with subtitles when I shouldn't (Danball Senki...another sports anime of similar style and animated), and they advised me to just find a raw image to use instead. And so I did.

Fun fact: Free didn't even have so much of a second thought of Shu along with Shu only thinking about Free twice-- if anyone were to be bitter rivals (on Free's page, mind you) Lui and Free seem more like bitter rivals than Shu and Free. Shu wasn't really as bitter as he was with Free than Lui-- so yeah, that is false information and seems to be more of a stretch. It's considered fanon at that point, or at least reference as to where that is shown where Shu stated that he was bitter rivals with Free or that Free was the one he was aiming for.

The... kanji... is... literally... right... there. It's on the character's page-- that's a mistranslation and spreading false information about what this character means. You could... literally put it in the translator and double check. That takes about two seconds to do that. Even Drum's last name is right there-- if they wanted to not add the rainbow part then there's no need to add the yellow dragon part-- because in a way it is wrong. Drum's last name is translated to 'rainbow dragon' for the reference of changing his base layer most likely, and he's a mix of a variety of colors-- the trivia for yellow and the importance of it in Drum's profile page is just fanon facts. No one is saying that it has to be an etymology, but when it's wrong-- it's wrong. Just because it's not the language you speak nor understand doesn't mean it's okay to just leave it as it is. Some people actually try to use it as a source of practicing translation and understanding kanji considering a lot of the last names are in kanji.

There's really no point to keeping it up because whatever changes that were made-- some were correct by the way-- they get changed back or added back in. I use Drum as an example for this because someone DID add the rainbow part, which was CORRECT however it was suddenly deleted out with no reason as to why and instead someone put more emphasis on the yellow idea which is skipping out the fact that his name means rainbow as reference to the change of his base layer bey. Or the fact that someone kept trying to add Salamder as a character page-- or that top five was actually a team and was relevant in Chou-Z. The changes to wiki only got corrected JUST RECENTLY when things specifically were pointed out-- and even changed back to where it was incorrect again.

I've rambled on too much but-- wiki has really good information for bey parts but is a terrible resource for factual information pertaining to the series.

(Jul. 18, 2019  12:09 AM)Okanie Wrote: [ -> ]It'd be fine if it wasn't used as a source of information since many of the things are false. While people are allowed to fix it, who's to say that someone won't change it back. I've seen edits of someone attempting to make a character page for Salamander repeatedly for some reason. But I guess it's fine to spread false information if that's the purpose of the wiki. Or if the wiki is supposed to be considered a parody, that works too. Long story short, you can let people be petty I guess if that's fine, but you can't defend saying that wiki is canon/factual when it's clearly not.

(Jul. 17, 2019  10:57 PM)Strider Xanthos Wrote: [ -> ]Fun fact, you can have a rivalry with people from only a small amount of interactions in show, they aren't bitter rivals though...but Shu really wanted to take him down so its technically bitter on his side of things.

What if it was true but they just didn't put the kanji? Its not false information if its true. That's like if you said Ryuga died and someone else said you was false because you didn't add that he died because of Rago so therefore, it's false information. Its a piece of trivia, not a summary or book report of the character's etymology.

Look, long story short, its not a big deal, make the changes on the wiki if you want, that's what its for.  If the mods agree, nothing will change, and if the mods disagree, they'll edit the changes. I've only made 24 edits on the Beyblade wiki, and about 1,250 edits on the Danball Senki wiki, and the two times the mods intervened, it was for a quick mistake I made with a name (Zac's Japanese name) or that I uploaded a image with subtitles when I shouldn't (Danball Senki...another sports anime of similar style and animated), and they advised me to just find a raw image to use instead. And so I did.

Fun fact: Free didn't even have so much of a second thought of Shu along with Shu only thinking about Free twice-- if anyone were to be bitter rivals (on Free's page, mind you) Lui and Free seem more like bitter rivals than Shu and Free. Shu wasn't really as bitter as he was with Free than Lui-- so yeah, that is false information and seems to be more of a stretch. It's considered fanon at that point, or at least reference as to where that is shown where Shu stated that he was bitter rivals with Free or that Free was the one he was aiming for.

The... kanji... is... literally... right... there. It's on the character's page-- that's a mistranslation and spreading false information about what this character means. You could... literally put it in the translator and double check. That takes about two seconds to do that. Even Drum's last name is right there-- if they wanted to not add the rainbow part then there's no need to add the yellow dragon part-- because in a way it is wrong. Drum's last name is translated to 'rainbow dragon' for the reference of changing his base layer most likely, and he's a mix of a variety of colors-- the trivia for yellow and the importance of it in Drum's profile page is just fanon facts. No one is saying that it has to be an etymology, but when it's wrong-- it's wrong. Just because it's not the language you speak nor understand doesn't mean it's okay to just leave it as it is. Some people actually try to use it as a source of practicing translation and understanding kanji considering a lot of the last names are in kanji.

There's really no point to keeping it up because whatever changes that were made-- some were correct by the way-- they get changed back or added back in. I use Drum as an example for this because someone DID add the rainbow part, which was CORRECT however it was suddenly deleted out with no reason as to why and instead someone put more emphasis on the yellow idea which is skipping out the fact that his name means rainbow as reference to the change of his base layer bey. Or the fact that someone kept trying to add Salamder as a character page-- or that top five was actually a team and was relevant in Chou-Z. The changes to wiki only got corrected JUST RECENTLY when things specifically were pointed out-- and even changed back to where it was incorrect again.

I've rambled on too much but-- wiki has really good information for bey parts but is a terrible resource for factual information pertaining to the series.

Im sure the changes were added recently, due to your insistent points (I think I had a user complain to me how someone was fussing over wiki, yikes. No name was mentioned, huh). Thats a good start over there, I suppose

I am especially sorry about how the wiki is dealing with the kanji part. I suppose we could take it entirely out, or compromise to fix it entirely if thats the case. Though, I am wondering why of all places, someone would actually look up to the wiki as a source to learn kanji? I would at least hire a teacher to teach me, or at least go to a reliable language-learning website/app/etc. Wikis in general are not advocates for bilingual bonuses

Then again, a wiki account is free and doesnt require an email (awesome!). Anyone can come up and edit if they like. The thing with fan-led information sites, unfortunately, is that they are not trustworthy and can be inaccurate (very much like Wikipedia). Users who fuss about this are better off staying away from those sites, or off the internet in general. It is that simple, and starts with a simple click

But if you would like, I can make a throwaway wiki account for you so you are able to fix up these mistakes

(Jul. 18, 2019  12:09 AM)Okanie Wrote: [ -> ]It'd be fine if it wasn't used as a source of information since many of the things are false. While people are allowed to fix it, who's to say that someone won't change it back. I've seen edits of someone attempting to make a character page for Salamander repeatedly for some reason. But I guess it's fine to spread false information if that's the purpose of the wiki. Or if the wiki is supposed to be considered a parody, that works too. Long story short, you can let people be petty I guess if that's fine, but you can't defend saying that wiki is canon/factual when it's clearly not.

(Jul. 17, 2019  10:57 PM)Strider Xanthos Wrote: [ -> ]Fun fact, you can have a rivalry with people from only a small amount of interactions in show, they aren't bitter rivals though...but Shu really wanted to take him down so its technically bitter on his side of things.

Fun fact: Free didn't even have so much of a second thought of Shu along with Shu only thinking about Free twice-- if anyone were to be bitter rivals (on Free's page, mind you) Lui and Free seem more like bitter rivals than Shu and Free. Shu wasn't really as bitter as he was with Free than Lui-- so yeah, that is false information and seems to be more of a stretch. It's considered fanon at that point, or at least reference as to where that is shown where Shu stated that he was bitter rivals with Free or that Free was the one he was aiming for.

You kinda just described my point, a one sided rivalry (that's technically one and a half since Free told Valt he wanted to battle Shu in the finals, aka acknowledging him as a rival he wants to take down), but if you don't want to count that, that's perfectly fine.

Reference? Youtube removed the clip of Free telling Valt cuz the dub doesn't want to keep its episodes up and the raws are mysteriously gone, but from Shu's perspective
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpWwvbyywBg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BmEEsMSDgQ

Some more changes are made on the wiki right now. Though, it would be really nice if people made changes themselves, rather than fussing over how inaccurate wikis may be, and waiting for someone else to do it. Thats the point of coming and edit!

(Jul. 18, 2019  12:17 AM)XSabxManiacX Wrote: [ -> ]Im sure the changes were added recently, due to your insistent points (I think I had a user complain to me how someone was fussing over wiki, yikes. No name was mentioned, huh). Thats a good start over there, I suppose

I am especially sorry about how the wiki is dealing with the kanji part. I suppose we could take it entirely out, or compromise to fix it entirely if thats the case. Though, I am wondering why of all places, someone would actually look up to the wiki as a source to learn kanji? I would at least hire a teacher to teach me, or at least go to a reliable language-learning website/app/etc. Wikis in general are not advocates for bilingual bonuses

Then again, a wiki account is free and doesnt require an email (awesome!). Anyone can come up and edit if they like. The thing with fan-led information sites, unfortunately, is that they are not trustworthy and can be inaccurate (very much like Wikipedia). Users who fuss about this are better off staying away from those sites, or off the internet in general. It is that simple, and starts with a simple click

But if you would like, I can make a throwaway wiki account for you so you are able to fix up these mistakes

Surprise, surprise, it was me-- considering wiki was taken as a joke for the longest time by many other fans. Just no one ever stated specifics out as to what was the issue and outright ignored the site. If you want the site ignored completely, that works too I guess.

Oh boy, because I obviously have the money to pay for a teacher to teach me! Apps? Oh boy, have you ever had a language app in which you completed all the courses and it kept your attention long enough? Reliable apps? You do realize those cost money right? In which, oh dear, I don't have! Guess I'm not allowed to learn a language now, oh well. And wow, putting kanji on the wiki yet translating it wrong is a great way to confuse people-- so, uh, why is it on there? I mean obviously it's important enough to put on there! I mean look, there's even incorrect translations on there as well! Thanks.

You do realize that some people actually try and practice languages in areas that they find interest in such as beyburst or sometimes in everyday/ real experiences. Sometimes people go on wiki and find the language that is put on there and try translating it themselves. If it's wrong, then it's spreading misinformation to those that aren't learning or don't have a desire to learn the language. "Oh, Sumie means 'crimson ink' guess he really is like Shu!" That literally could have been avoided if it was double checked, and you don't even have to know the language fully to see that-- stick it in a dictionary and there's your definition.

Ah, don't bother-- I'm at the point where I'll just keep all the flaws to wiki to myself unless someone uses it as a source of information. It's considered a joke to many so I guess I'll keep that trend up, right? Especially if it's so easy to change it and then have it changed by someone else. I wouldn't be surprise if the next day, someone changes it back. It happened in the past, so who's to say it won't happen again.

(Jul. 18, 2019  12:38 AM)Strider Xanthos Wrote: [ -> ]You kinda just described my point, a one sided rivalry (that's technically one and a half since Free told Valt he wanted to battle Shu in the finals, aka acknowledging him as a rival he wants to take down), but if you don't want to count that, that's perfectly fine.

Reference? Youtube removed the clip of Free telling Valt cuz the dub doesn't want to keep its episodes up and the raws are mysteriously gone, but from Shu's perspective
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpWwvbyywBg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BmEEsMSDgQ

That doesn't really make them bitter rivals though...? Free was the straw that broke the camel's back, that's completely missing the point of what was there.... thanks. The clip mostly shows just before Shu decided to become Red Eye-- but Free's battle with him was supposed to signify that Shu was at his wit's end. He wasn't getting stronger fast enough and especially if this guy was on Valt's team-- you know, the one that Valt was scouted for. Shu saw Free as a strong blader which potentially means an obstacle to his main goal-- battling Valt in the finals. Again, Free was the last straw that made Shu desperate for any way to gain power-- but that doesn't mean they were 'bitter rivals' as it states in Free's relationship page. Free doesn't even have a second thought of him, he doesn't even care enough-- only because Valt was worried about Shu, is when Free kind of talked to Valt about it.

But the one who attacked Shu first in his mindscape... wasn't that... oh, I don't know, Lui? Doesn't Lui fit the title of bitter rival to Shu than Free? Again, Shu needed to take out all obstacles that were in his way towards his main goal from s1-- mainly Lui was a big obstacle for Shu. Free became an obstacle when Shu could not best him. Once again, this does not really support the idea of Free seeing Shu as a bitter rival nor vice versa. They were obstacles to each other towards their goals. And this is all based on the clips you sent me-- I can send them to someone else and get their perspective if you want me to?

Yeah, who is in charge of that site?! They need an editor!