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For both Hold and Hold’, are the drivers any good in this format? From what I remember, the driver has less stamina compare to Xtreme.?

It is really really good for opposite spin battles. Basically for mobile spin steal.

(May. 25, 2019  2:46 AM)Suoh sadboii Wrote: [ -> ]It is really really good for opposite spin battles. Basically for mobile spin steal.

Have you even done a bit of research? Destroy is better than Hold bro.

(May. 25, 2019  11:36 AM)@ya.dama Wrote: [ -> ]Have you even done a bit of research? Destroy is better than Hold bro.

I think you have to do some research. Test out Sr.00w.h' vs Sr.00e.ds' (opposite spin). Hold has better LAD if you test out both of them in their best combos and not in mirror combos.

(May. 25, 2019  2:46 PM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(May. 25, 2019  11:36 AM)@ya.dama Wrote: [ -> ]Have you even done a bit of research? Destroy is better than Hold bro.

I think you have to do some research. Test out Sr.00w.h' vs Sr.00e.ds' (opposite spin). Hold has better LAD if you test out both of them in their best combos and not in mirror combos.

yeah, but overall destroy will always be better and more reliable than hold because you need to be lucky in getting a driver that has a good freespinning gimmick because most of the time hold doesn't free spin that much compared to destroy and a better mold of hold

(May. 25, 2019  4:52 PM)Hussainthetank Wrote: [ -> ]yeah, but overall destroy will always be better and more reliable than hold because you need to be lucky in getting a driver that has a good freespinning gimmick because most of the time hold doesn't free spin that much compared to destroy and a better mold of hold

Destroy too has mild mold problems. I have seen a youtube video which said something like ".....destroy (more free spinning variation). Dust, dirt and hair can also reduce it free spinning. Also, does hold and hold' have a bad mold more often than not?

(May. 25, 2019  4:52 PM)Hussainthetank Wrote: [ -> ]

(May. 25, 2019  2:46 PM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote: [ -> ]I think you have to do some research. Test out Sr.00w.h' vs Sr.00e.ds' (opposite spin). Hold has better LAD if you test out both of them in their best combos and not in mirror combos.

yeah, but overall destroy will always be better and more reliable than hold because you need to be lucky in getting a driver that has a good freespinning gimmick because most of the time hold doesn't free spin that much compared to destroy and a better mold of hold

Better mold?

(May. 25, 2019  5:24 PM)DragonicMeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(May. 25, 2019  4:52 PM)Hussainthetank Wrote: [ -> ]yeah, but overall destroy will always be better and more reliable than hold because you need to be lucky in getting a driver that has a good freespinning gimmick because most of the time hold doesn't free spin that much compared to destroy and a better mold of hold

Better mold?

what i was saying is that most of the time people would often check to see if there hold's freespinning gimmick is good

(May. 25, 2019  5:24 PM)DragonicMeister Wrote: [ -> ]Better mold?

Some versions of hold spin more than others (due to mold variations). These are better for using it as a LAD tip.

How do I tell which one is better? I have 2 hold drivers on me (from B2 and from tW RB). The RB Hold is loose and dangle out when I hold it up.

(May. 25, 2019  11:16 PM)DragonicMeister Wrote: [ -> ]How do I tell which one is better? I have 2 hold drivers on me (from B2 and from tW RB). The RB Hold is loose and dangle out when I hold it up.

I would suggest that you put it on some wall combo and hand spin them. You can notice which one is more free spinning by the LAD. Or, you can follow a more consistent method. You can put them on mirror Spriggan requiem combos [maybe Sr._w.hold (insert any core disk) or if you don't have 2 wall frames, you can use any 2 disks] and battle them against each other in opposite spin matches

The RBV version of Hold actually seems to be better for left spin combos due to higher LAD caused by more dangling and looseness of the free-spinning plate, compared to the B2 version of it which is more suitable for right spin attack due to tighter and more rigid rotations of the said plate imo

(May. 25, 2019  11:36 AM)@ya.dama Wrote: [ -> ]

(May. 25, 2019  2:46 AM)Suoh sadboii Wrote: [ -> ]It is really really good for opposite spin battles. Basically for mobile spin steal.

Have you even done a bit of research? Destroy is better than Hold bro.

Yes, I actually have. I did tests with both destroy and hold on dF against the same right spin combo, and each time hold did better.

(May. 27, 2019  1:34 AM)Suoh sadboii Wrote: [ -> ]

(May. 25, 2019  11:36 AM)@ya.dama Wrote: [ -> ]Have you even done a bit of research? Destroy is better than Hold bro.

Yes, I actually have. I did tests with both destroy and hold on dF against the same right spin combo, and each time hold did better.

Stamina-wise, Destroy fares better than Hold (even when using the looser RBV version) at maintaining spin, especially with spin-equalization combos. Unless of course you are ultra-soft launching your dF, Hold has a bit of precession (being able to stay up at slower spins) advantage vs Destroy, though the LAD potential is still with the latter.

I'd say it's one of the best tbh, If you use it on the Wall or Turn frame at least. It is like a slightly worse Wall.Br and can outspin most things opposite spin.

(May. 27, 2019  4:16 AM)Rouzuke Wrote: [ -> ]

(May. 27, 2019  1:34 AM)Suoh sadboii Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, I actually have. I did tests with both destroy and hold on dF against the same right spin combo, and each time hold did better.

Stamina-wise, Destroy fares better than Hold (even when using the looser RBV version) at maintaining spin, especially with spin-equalization combos. Unless of course you are ultra-soft launching your dF, Hold has a bit of precession (being able to stay up at slower spins) advantage vs Destroy, though the LAD potential is still with the latter.

True, it is outclassed in most terms, but if you use it, you should never launch it hard, and almost never go same spin.

(May. 27, 2019  2:02 PM)Suoh sadboii Wrote: [ -> ]True, it is outclassed in most terms, but if you use it, you should never launch it hard, and almost never go same spin.

Sometimes, you might just face same spin without a choice (first stage or misjudging what opponent will go for, in a deck format battle).

(May. 27, 2019  3:31 PM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(May. 27, 2019  2:02 PM)Suoh sadboii Wrote: [ -> ]True, it is outclassed in most terms, but if you use it, you should never launch it hard, and almost never go same spin.

Sometimes, you might just face same spin without a choice (first stage or misjudging what opponent will go for, in a deck format battle).

This happened to Wombat during the Beigoma Blues tournament. I forgot what combo he was up against, but his combo was hS._W.H (I didn't see the Disk) against another Left Spin combo. He actually won.

(May. 27, 2019  5:21 PM)CitrusNinja3 Wrote: [ -> ]

(May. 27, 2019  3:31 PM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote: [ -> ]Sometimes, you might just face same spin without a choice (first stage or misjudging what opponent will go for, in a deck format battle).

This happened to Wombat during the Beigoma Blues tournament. I forgot what combo he was up against, but his combo was hS._W.H (I didn't see the Disk) against another Left Spin combo. He actually won.

NANI?!?!??! Either hold is better at stamina than I thought or Wombat went god mode. Betting on both.

(May. 27, 2019  5:21 PM)CitrusNinja3 Wrote: [ -> ]

(May. 27, 2019  3:31 PM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote: [ -> ]Sometimes, you might just face same spin without a choice (first stage or misjudging what opponent will go for, in a deck format battle).

This happened to Wombat during the Beigoma Blues tournament. I forgot what combo he was up against, but his combo was hS._W.H (I didn't see the Disk) against another Left Spin combo. He actually won.

It was 0

(May. 27, 2019  3:31 PM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(May. 27, 2019  2:02 PM)Suoh sadboii Wrote: [ -> ]True, it is outclassed in most terms, but if you use it, you should never launch it hard, and almost never go same spin.

Sometimes, you might just face same spin without a choice (first stage or misjudging what opponent will go for, in a deck format battle).

Best way to counter that probable chance is to use the Dash version for better Burst Resistance, which is unfortunately only available through a limited exclusive. Not sure if the looseness is the same as the RBV version of Hold.

(May. 28, 2019  3:02 AM)Rouzuke Wrote: [ -> ]

(May. 27, 2019  3:31 PM)Ash_Ketchum_007 Wrote: [ -> ]Sometimes, you might just face same spin without a choice (first stage or misjudging what opponent will go for, in a deck format battle).

Best way to counter that probable chance is to use the Dash version for better Burst Resistance, which is unfortunately only available through a limited exclusive. Not sure if the looseness is the same as the RBV version of Hold.

I was actually referring to the problem of getting outspun. If you are using the most free spinning version you have, you are losing out on attack (not too sure). This means that you are gonna have to depend on it's stamina which isn't really too much.