World Beyblade Organization by Fighting Spirits Inc.

Who's the real God of Destruction?

Rago obviously

Rago, Phi was beaten by Aiga and lost a point to Shu and Free. Rago however, was literally invincible until Gingka got the power from EVERY blader in the world (excluding the Nemesis bladers), and even then, Pegasus was barely spinning at the end.

Id like to say Rago because he is really OP (until plot armor came and defeated him). Though, personally those two are different and awesome on their own terms; basing them on how strong they are — despite being from different series — is unfair to me

There's one thing to factor here metal saga was completely supernatural while burst had very little supernatural the most they had was a possession like thing,  Diablo nemesis special move is way deadlier than dead phoenix's,  plus rago was manhandling not only the legendary bladers but also a few non legendary bladers who's level are not far from being legendary themselves but also fought ryuga and beat him. It took literally all the beyblade on the planet to take him down(aka plot armor) . Meanwhile blades like free or shu performance was great against phi to the point the actually could've have beaten him before aiga . Phi is very strong but rago is on the broken level who was tanking more than multiple  bladers at once without really being phase. So rago wins this.

Rago by a mile, after what God Dragruler has said, there is very less left to add. But Rago is in his own league when it comes to Destruction.
I feel that Brooklyn vs Rago would be a tough call, but here Rago for sure wins.

Rago without question. Rago is probably the most powerful blader in all of Beyblade history, being able to completely stomp Ryuga in his prime, taking the entire worlds power + legendary bladers power to beat Rago and still Ginga barely survived after all that. Brooklyn while also super powerful took less to be beaten (although whether he lost or not seemed inconclusive but let's just say he lost to Takao).

However, one important thing to note is that the Burst universe generally have less powerful bladers than other generations, so Phi, while powerful for Burst probably won't hold up against even an average MFB or old gen character, compared to them his moves are pretty mundane. It isn't a fair comparison in the end of the day.

Umm depends if it is Phi (Revive Phoenix) vs Rago (Generic Bey) Phi wins. If it is Phi (Dead Phoenix) vs Rago (Diablo Nemesis), then Rago kills Phi just like how he killed Ryuga (I don't know why they put that scene there ?? Ryuga was my favourite). Let's not forget Rago is strong just because of Diablo Nemesis.

Okay what if it was Valt, Aiga, Shu, and Phi vs Rago and they had burst stoppers. But this time they use beyond the limit power.

(Apr. 08, 2019  12:16 PM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ]Okay what if it was Valt, Aiga, Shu, and Phi vs Rago and they had burst stoppers. But this time they use beyond the limit power.

Logically, they'd still lose horribly. Rago could pretty much solo the entire Burst cast and turn their beyblades to dust. Again though, it's not fair to compare someone from MFB to Burst, because MFB are far more supernatural in power and abilities, while Burst keep it grounded mostly.

(Apr. 08, 2019  12:48 PM)Jinbee Wrote: [ -> ]

(Apr. 08, 2019  12:16 PM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ]Okay what if it was Valt, Aiga, Shu, and Phi vs Rago and they had burst stoppers. But this time they use beyond the limit power.

Logically, they'd still lose horribly. Rago could pretty much solo the entire Burst cast and turn their beyblades to dust. Again though, it's not fair to compare someone from MFB to Burst, because MFB are far more supernatural in power and abilities, while Burst keep it grounded mostly.

Come on man everybody knows the Light will always beat Darkness.

(Apr. 08, 2019  7:37 AM)Suhasini Wrote: [ -> ]Rago by a mile, after what God Dragruler has said, there is very less left to add. But Rago is in his own league when it comes to Destruction.
I feel that Brooklyn vs Rago would be a tough call, but here Rago for sure wins.

To me I think Brooklyn is stronger.

(Apr. 08, 2019  12:54 PM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ]

(Apr. 08, 2019  12:48 PM)Jinbee Wrote: [ -> ]Logically, they'd still lose horribly. Rago could pretty much solo the entire Burst cast and turn their beyblades to dust. Again though, it's not fair to compare someone from MFB to Burst, because MFB are far more supernatural in power and abilities, while Burst keep it grounded mostly.

Come on man everybody knows the Light will always beat Darkness.

Well then, why is Phi on the light side?

Ok Anime talk if burst and MFB were against each other in the anime its obvious Rago would win extremly fast.
And plus Burst Beys power cant be compared to MFB even the legendary bladers all of them couldnt beat rago and thats shocking because all of them you have seen in there matches that they have tremendous power and even Gingka needed all of the bladers in the world to defeat em so even if light always wins theres no hope for Phi.

In real life, dead phoenix wouldn't win I don't think, neither in the anime. Rago can split worlds and take over them like brooklyn, while phi has only been shown to take over people and their beyblade.

(Apr. 08, 2019  2:10 PM)Dt20000 Wrote: [ -> ]

(Apr. 08, 2019  12:54 PM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ]Come on man everybody knows the Light will always beat Darkness.

Well then, why is Phi on the light side?

I knew someone would say that but I said Phi would fight against Rago.

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PS can someone make a list of the strongest Burst characters in all 3-4 seasons and put them in power levels from the MFB and Original Series. Because I want to see how one differs from another in all 3 Beyblade series.

(Apr. 08, 2019  10:03 PM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ]

(Apr. 08, 2019  2:10 PM)Dt20000 Wrote: [ -> ]Well then, why is Phi on the light side?

I knew someone would say that but I said Phi would fight against Rago.

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PS can someone make a list of the strongest Burst characters in all 3-4 seasons and put them in power levels from the MFB and Original Series. Because I want to see how one differs from another in all 3 Beyblade series.

In most of the logic people use, “light” refers to good-willed people. And I can only conclude that both Phi and Rago are evil

To be honest due to different animations and therefore themes with burst being far more realistic than the metal series. It is like trying to make equivalents out of the two series which would just leave the logical answer at Rago. The thing is whilst Phi and Rago are important antagonists and by extension are really good in certain series it’s like comparing 1/2 with 2/4 and whilst both are equivalents, they just do not share the same denominator and can not add up. You could still compare who is the strongest by seeing how good they do against characters in their series because that is almost like finding that common denominator that is missing but not quite.

I mean think of it logically, don't think i'm critizing burst blades but, would you think a plastic top with a bit of metal that comes apart could take on a full metal, heavy weight beast(Anime and IRL) and that heavyweight beast can take over worlds while phoenix doesn't have that power capacity. But then again the old main charcter and head into
bootleg super saiyan and two bey lades broke an entire stadium with wind clashes and lightning effects, and auras that seem to be real, and bladers getting into an alternate space where they can talk to their bit beasts and blades can change color by being bad.

It’s not even the damn plastic constituency of burst.
Rago is the strongest character produced in beyblade, by far the best.
Ryuga(my fav) has the best human record in MFB with only two losses. He’s the only guy allowed an ultimate move except rago I believe. And he was utterly annihilated by rago.
Even if you threw away the more realistic approach of burst and gave phi a perfect Phoenix with a Phoenix spirit and it follows his instructions he would still be about as good a toddler is against bolt in a 100 m dash.
If you do some power scaling, I think it’s safe to say phi would be as strong as gingka if he had the same powers as other bladers, and about as strong as a generic blader if he is the way he is in burst.
So here’s my conclusion
Rago vs phi
Rago wins
Rago vs entire beyblade burst
Rago wins
Rago vs all beyblade universes
Rago wins(unless it’s the final fight and plot armour is used)

(Apr. 10, 2019  12:11 PM)Garvin prime Wrote: [ -> ]It’s not even the damn plastic constituency of burst.
Rago is the strongest character produced in beyblade, by far the best.
Ryuga(my fav) has the best human record in MFB with only two losses. He’s the only guy allowed an ultimate move except rago I believe. And he was utterly annihilated by rago.
Even if you threw away the more realistic approach of burst and gave phi a perfect Phoenix with a Phoenix spirit and it follows his instructions he would still be about as good a toddler is against bolt in a 100 m dash.
If you do some power scaling, I think it’s safe to say phi would be as strong as gingka if he had the same powers as other bladers, and about as strong as a generic blader if he is the way he is in burst.
So here’s my conclusion
Rago vs phi
Rago wins
Rago vs entire beyblade burst
Rago wins
Rago vs all beyblade universes
Rago wins(unless it’s the final fight and plot armour is used)

Everything you said didn't cheer me up except the last sentence plus if all burst characters were also MFB like and phi had an ability where he has and extra layer of armor and it can come off then he would actually be Rago x10 by far. Plus if Phi was a character in MFB series then he would be a Nemesis Follower, Rago's right hand man, or even his partner and their goal was to destroy beys and even destroy the world.

(Apr. 10, 2019  1:03 PM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ]Everything you said didn't cheer me up except the last sentence plus if all burst characters were also MFB like and phi had an ability where he has and extra layer of armor and it can come off then he would actually be Rago x10 by far. Plus if Phi was a character in MFB series then he would be a Nemesis Follower, Rago's right hand man, or even his partner and their goal was to destroy beys and even destroy the world.

Just the revive armour gimmick makes him rage X10
Quite something 
Well as far as gimmick goes nemesis' gimmick is far superior.
If you say it is not that great in real life, same goes for dead armour and revive armour.
I don't think you understand this rago was made unbeatable. ryuga was used to prove that. And gingka beating rago was just a moral lesson for the kids. Rago is quite the power house, being the god of destruction. Phi is nowhere close to rago. 
Man this shouldn't cheer anyone up. We are discussing beyblade's god of destruction.
I don't understand one thing. Burst is more of a realistic version of beyblade. MFB is more of a fantasy version. You can't just scale them by saying "I like that gimmick more, so he is better"
If you think dead armour or revive armour or perfect armour in an MFB iteration would give a pretty hard hit, be reminded that gingka's special attack literally has his bey slam into its opponents at terminal velocity. Plus he took ryuga's ultimate move like it was a joke without a punchline, and that is the second strongest attack in entire MFB after rago's Armageddon.
So there's that

(Apr. 10, 2019  7:57 PM)Garvin prime Wrote: [ -> ]

(Apr. 10, 2019  1:03 PM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ]

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Everything you said didn't cheer me up except the last sentence plus if all burst characters were also MFB like and phi had an ability where he has and extra layer of armor and it can come off then he would actually be Rago x10 by far. Plus if Phi was a character in MFB series then he would be a Nemesis Follower, Rago's right hand man, or even his partner and their goal was to destroy beys and even destroy the world.

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Just the revive armour gimmick makes him rage X10
Quite something 
Well as far as gimmick goes nemesis' gimmick is far superior.
If you say it is not that great in real life, same goes for dead armour and revive armour.
I don't think you understand this rago was made unbeatable. ryuga was used to prove that. And gingka beating rago was just a moral lesson for the kids. Rago is quite the power house, being the god of destruction. Phi is nowhere close to rago. 
Man this shouldn't cheer anyone up. We are discussing beyblade's god of destruction.
I don't understand one thing. Burst is more of a realistic version of beyblade. MFB is more of a fantasy version. You can't just scale them by saying "I like that gimmick more, so he is better"
If you think dead armour or revive armour or perfect armour in an MFB iteration would give a pretty hard hit, be reminded that gingka's special attack literally has his bey slam into its opponents at terminal velocity. Plus he took ryuga's ultimate move like it was a joke without a punchline, and that is the second strongest attack in entire MFB after rago's Armageddon.
So there's that

Not to mention Rago has also survived something similar but also much more powerful, like when Death Quetzalcoatl, Flash Sagittario and Variares, all legendary bladers pressed into Diablo Nemesis at full strength, it was able to survive it with little issue, and I would assume these supernatural Legend Bladers, who are some of the most powerful characters in MFB would be far stronger than Dead Stinger Press could dream of, even a full metal variant.

@[Achilles25] the whole point of a debate is to discuss, there will be disagreements and it's not necessarily to validate anyones opinion on something.

Yea I never said Phi's move was strong because I said so, I said its strong because it's true. His moves literally destroyed Vice Leopard, Z Achilles, Dead Hades, Geist Fafnir, Cho-Z Spriggan, and even nearly destroyed Cho-Z Achilles. Btw I thing if Phi was trying to actually destroy beys from when he started in ep 16 he would've destroyed Buster Xcalibur, Emperor Forneus, Archer Hercules, Crash Ragnaruk, Hazard Kerbeus, hell if he even had the chance to battle Valt and actually tried then he would have broken Winning,Cho-Z/Valkyrie. Plus I said if Phi was in the Metal Fury series and he had a Phoenix beyblade that can do everything in the Burst series then he would have been equally or slightly stronger than Rago or he can even be his companion or partner.

(Apr. 10, 2019  8:53 PM)Achilles25 Wrote: [ -> ]Yea I never said Phi's move was strong because I said so, I said its strong because it's true. His moves literally destroyed Vice Leopard, Z Achilles, Dead Hades, Geist Fafnir, Cho-Z Spriggan, and even nearly destroyed Cho-Z Achilles. Btw I thing if Phi was trying to actually destroy beys from when he started in ep 16 he would've destroyed Buster Xcalibur, Emperor Forneus, Archer Hercules, Crash Ragnaruk, Hazard Kerbeus, hell if he even had the chance to battle Valt and actually tried then he would have broken Winning,Cho-Z/Valkyrie. Plus I said if Phi was in the Metal Fury series and he had a Phoenix beyblade that can do everything in the Burst series then he would have been equally or slightly stronger than Rago or he can even be his companion or partner.

Yes, he's strong, for Burst standards. For MFB he wouldn't come close, he'd get beaten by your average MFB blader. Phi's desire for destruction is nowhere near as great as Ragos, Phi destroys beys, Rago almost destroyed the planet and it's inhabitants.

Phi using a Metal Fury bey still wouldn't come close to beating Rago, his move is the equivalent to two metal beys clashing onto Nemesis, and I've already pointed out that Nemesis can take three beys clashing into it and not be damaged by it. Almost any MFB bladers could shrug off a move as mundane as Dead Stinger Press which wouldn't do anything to Rago's Armageddon move even if he was an MFB blader.