World Beyblade Organization by Fighting Spirits Inc.

Too bad burst has wear problems still and no one wants to test. I also find burst testing very boring compared to mfb testing, but that's just me. No one wants to test anything involving Deathsychther, Valkyrie, and Victory Valkyrie basically the 3 best layers in the game because they wear or break. I already went through 32 valkyries and I do not feel like adding more to that number, and i'm certain others feel this way too. Everyome wants to save their valkyries, deathsycthers and such for moments that actually matter and not testing which is why we conclude things based on tournament play and not testing itself.

Okay fine then but people must have tried them out before using it before the tourney. And as I said people should talk about how it performs since at the moment there's no real info out there other than it's good.

(Jun. 18, 2016  1:47 PM)Ultra Wrote: [ -> ]Okay fine then but people must have tried them out before using it before the tourney. And as I said people should talk about how it performs since at the moment there's no real info out there other than it's good.

I'll definitely get to doing a few rounds later in the day. Is there anything you wanted to see?

Orbit in a way makes Dark Deathsychters unbalanced layer into a more viable balanced layer (idk how this actually works, though it's just visable in play that there is more balance comared to when it is on other drivers). Thanks to the nodges it has and Orbits speed it is able to burst things like Deathscyther and Wyvern. Thanks to the huge teeth and movement from orbit it is hard to beat with attack, usually Dark Deathscyther is beat by KO with attack and Xcalibur more often bursts D2 than Valkyrie thanks to the sword it has. Lastly i want to mention that D2 destabalizes Neptune like crazy (once again idk why it's just how it works in battle) and neptune basically has no chance of winning against D2_O.

With that said D2_O is pretty much the ultimate balance combo if you know how to use each feature of the combo properly.

Mainly tests against DSR or DHR really.

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Thanks for the in depth description.

(Jun. 18, 2016  1:59 PM)Ultra Wrote: [ -> ]Mainly tests against DSR or DHR really.

Here are the tests I had done throughout the coarse of the week. In general, I would to like to add that tournament results should be put into consideration more when deciding things like tier-lists as well as this list. 1-player testings are different from 2-player testings, with the small gap between launches. Overall arm strength plays a factor too.

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Notes & Equipment:
B-09 BeyStadium Standard Type
Light Launcher + Long Winder Setup
Prime Dark Deathscyther
Semi-worn Deathscyther
Prime Valkyrie
Semi-worn Xtreme
Prime Neptune

Dark Deathscyther Heavy Orbit vs. Neptune Heavy Revolve
DDHO: 9 wins (ALL SF), 90% win rate.
NHR: 1 win (ALL SF), 10% win rate.

Dark Deathscyther Heavy Orbit vs. Deathscyther Heavy Revolve
DDHO: 10 wins (4 SF, 6 BF), 50% win rate.
DHR: 10 wins (ALL SF), 50% win rate.

Dark Deathscyther Heavy Orbit vs. Valkyrie Gravity Xtreme
Dark Deathscyther launched at 50% with a bank.
DDHO: 15 wins (12 SF, 3 BF), 75% win rate.
VGX: 5 wins (4 OF, 1 BF), 25% win rate.

The weak launch and the bank I had done definitely played a factor in Dark Deathscyther's success. Valkyrie Gravity Xtreme was much less capable of getting a nice, clean hit off of it. I would imagine the results would vary to an extent, otherwise.

Is it now safe to say that we can add Wild Wyvern and Dark Deathscyther to the list?

EDIT: Round-by-round results can be viewed here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...sp=sharing

Thanks for the test, but, really, do you think you can use the regular terms, instead of Spin Finish and Burst Finish ? It makes everything more confusing, especially for newcomers.

(Jun. 25, 2016  1:59 PM)MissingNo. Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for the test, but, really, do you think you can use the regular terms, instead of Spin Finish and Burst Finish ? It makes everything more confusing, especially for newcomers.

Those have been the terms we've used since the start of Burst though. It's now the regular for Burst testings and what Takara Tomy has dubbed the win conditions. It would make sense to use them. We are a completely different organization, yes, but that shouldn't stop us from using the same —logical— terms. They really don't seem overly complicated.

I always use Bursts, Knockouts/KOs and Outspins/OS in my test results... Like when Hasbro reinvents new terms, I am not bound by what new words come out because I have been part of the community since before they were introduced. We certainly do not have to use "Finish" in every result because it is extremely redundant.

I personally do not mind that. It would be awesome if we could establish our own term.

If Kaiser Kerbeus .L.P isn't worth it for just K2, has Limited or Press got any use at all? I recall Press being used in a stationary attack combo, although I've heard mixed things about Limited.

We could use an update on the accessories too.

B-39 White Beylauncher (White)
B-40 Launcher Grip (Black)
B-45 Launcher & Long Winder (Orange)

As for beyblades we gotta add

B-24 Random Booster Vol. 2 (Deathscythe, Wyvern, Valkyrie)
B-29 Proto Valkyrie Wing Accel (This is a better version of Valkyrie than the orange one)
B-31 Yggdrasil Ring Gyro (Ring and Gyro)
We really gotta add B-37 Kaiser Kerbeus Limited Press (K2, Press)
B-46 Odin Triple Xterme (Cheaper access to Xterme)

In my opinion I really want to add Storm Spriggan on the list for Knuckle. But I kinda think the Random Booster Vol. 3 is a cheaper and better choice to get it maybe?

After today's tournament, I feel that it's safe to say that adding Wild Wyvern for Orbit and Dark DeathScyther for the Layer is a good choice. Orbit is versitile, and D2 works well to destabilize, very useful for taking out Revolve combos.

I agree with Yami that Obelisk Odin should be added (cheaper way for Xtreme). Adding the entry set may be fine, but there is also the (slightly) less expensive Booster, but it still does work, so maybe put it on since it still is a cheap Valkryie? For RBV2, not sure how I feel about adding RB Beys, as getting guaranteed pulls may as well be close, if not the same price, as the regular/booster/other releases. Then again, still good pulls, but don't really have a yes or no opinion on it. The only thing I disagree with you on, Yami, is Yggdrasil. Gyro is almost the same, if not outclassed, by Revolve, which is cheaper.

As for Yggdarsil Ring Gyro, it'd probably be more beneficial to have the defense and stamina set (granted you find it for a good price like I did). It has Ring, Heavy, Wyvern, and the long winder, so it'd be a better deal regardless as Yggdrasil and Gyro are outclassed. I agree with O2TX being added for the Xtreme as XFX is getting relatively harder to find for a decent price, and D2 and W2 should definitely be added for D2 and Orbit.

(Jun. 26, 2016  2:52 AM)Hato Wrote: [ -> ]After today's tournament, I feel that it's safe to say that adding Wild Wyvern for Orbit and Dark DeathScyther for the Layer is a good choice. Orbit is versitile, and D2 works well to destabilize, very useful for taking out Revolve combos.

I agree with Yami that Obelisk Odin should be added (cheaper way for Xtreme). Adding the entry set may be fine, but there is also the (slightly) less expensive Booster, but it still does work, so maybe put it on since it still is a cheap Valkryie? For RBV2, not sure how I feel about adding RB Beys, as getting guaranteed pulls may as well be close, if not the same price, as the regular/booster/other releases. Then again, still good pulls, but don't really have a yes or no opinion on it. The only thing I disagree with you on, Yami, is Yggdrasil. Gyro is almost the same, if not outclassed, by Revolve, which is cheaper.

(Jun. 26, 2016  3:12 AM)Shirayuki Wrote: [ -> ]As for Yggdarsil Ring Gyro, it'd probably be more beneficial to have the defense and stamina set (granted you find it for a good price like I did). It has Ring, Heavy, Wyvern, and the long winder, so it'd be a better deal regardless as Yggdrasil and Gyro are outclassed. I agree with O2TX being added for the Xtreme as XFX is getting relatively harder to find for a decent price, and D2 and W2 should definitely be added for D2 and Orbit.

Exactly my thoughts.

The accessories seem OK to add, and I'm fine with including Obelisk Odin and Kaiser Kerbeus. Is the Proto Valkyrie Wing Accel compared to Valkyrie Spread Survive. Spread is an essential and something I do want to keep on the list. Unite is something I want to like, but I really can't. Once it's out of it's mint stage, it's hardly aggressive and becomes used for only sole defense (which we would have Orbit for). I think it's best not on the list.

I don't know how I actually about Xcalibur anymore, personally. It's basically gone from the Toronto tournament scene and it's only been used 5 or 6 times as a winning combination since Beyblade Shogatsu. What do you guys think? Is it really an essential compared to Valkyrie?

In Montréal @[MissingNo.] uses it a lot still, and perhaps some Maryland Bladers are more Attack-oriented as well?

I think Excalibur should still remain on the list. especially the beylauncher is included as well with 3 essential parts so it still worthwhile even Young Toys still have them out for about the same price or good price.

The only reason i propose to add Proto Valkyrie on the list is that the Valkyrie teeth is much better than the orange Valkyrie. Orange Valkyrie really does loses teeth more often than the rest of the Valkyrie layer releases (Pink, White, Yellow, Proto, DX). even though Accel still have use in DRA staller combo.

In my opinion, right now Xcalibur is the safest attack layer. I don't remember when, but I remember seeing Brad using a brand new Valkyrie, and it Bursted instantly, three times in a row, which resulted in a loss.

Personally, I would never use Valkyrie over Xcalibur for attack, even if Xcalibur's balance is so-so.

I agree with MissingNo., although Xcalibur can't be used effectively with Accel or Assault, it's a reliable Attack Layer in use with Xtreme. Valkyrie is just not designed for long time use and as long as a player uses Xtreme as Driver I would go with Xcalibur instead of Valkyrie.

I haven't used the red Valkyrie yet, but if it wears down even faster than the Proto Valkyrie... good god. I really like Valkyrie for attack, but it's just not durable.

Neptune counters Xcalibur, and it's not very consistent in bursting Deathscyther from my experience... Just because Xcal counters Valkyrie it doesn't mean it's better, Valkyrie is still much more versatile in my opinion because it can beat the 3 beasts of the meta (Neptune, Wyvern, Deathscyther) though I do like Xcalibur too. Also the thing with Xcal, if you do not have a close to new or new Xtreme it's super bad because the off balance cancels the movement a prime Xtreme on Valkyrie would give which is why it needs to be a brand new-ish Xtreme for it to be more consistent.

Maybe it should stay on the list, I just find the Xtreme wear very annoying just like Valkyrie's teeth. No matter what you do in burst... something always ruins another thing ugh. this meta is so screwed up D:

(Jun. 26, 2016  1:34 PM)Mitsu Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know how I actually about Xcalibur anymore, personally. It's basically gone from the Toronto tournament scene and it's only been used 5 or 6 times as a winning combination since Beyblade Shogatsu. What do you guys think? Is it really an essential compared to Valkyrie?

Haha, it was used sparingly for one tournament (Burst Outta School yesterday) and you're saying it's basically gone? At our previous two events Xcalibur Gravity Orbit was used a lot to great effect. So, unless it disappears for a few more events, I don't think it's fair to say it is "basically gone" yet.

(Jun. 26, 2016  4:56 PM)Yami Wrote: [ -> ]The only reason i propose to add Proto Valkyrie on the list is that the Valkyrie teeth is much better than the orange Valkyrie. Orange Valkyrie really does loses teeth more often than the rest of the Valkyrie layer releases (Pink, White, Yellow, Proto, DX). even though Accel still have use in DRA staller combo.

How fast are you suggesting the orange Valkyrie wears compared to the others, Yami? How many people agree with this? I have a couple that I only use for tournaments and they've been fine for a while now, but given that they only get used for a handful of battles every tournament, I can't make a strong assertion whether they are wearing any differently than other Valkyrie's or not.

(Jun. 26, 2016  8:52 PM)1234beyblade Wrote: [ -> ]Neptune counters Xcalibur, and it's not very consistent in bursting Deathscyther from my experience... Just because Xcal counters Valkyrie it doesn't mean it's better, Valkyrie is still much more versatile in my opinion because it can beat the 3 beasts of the meta (Neptune, Wyvern, Deathscyther) though I do like Xcalibur too. Also the thing with Xcal, if you do not have a close to new or new Xtreme it's super bad because the off balance cancels the movement a prime Xtreme on Valkyrie would give which is why it needs to be a brand new-ish Xtreme for it to be more consistent.

Maybe it should stay on the list, I just find the Xtreme wear very annoying just like Valkyrie's teeth. No matter what you do in burst... something always ruins another thing ugh. this meta is so screwed up D:

I agree that a brand new Valkyrie is probably better than Xcalibur overall, but you have to consider the whole package (Xcalibur and its stronger teeth, Xtreme, and the BeyLauncher) when deciding whether it belongs on a list like this or not. And I'd be less concerned about whether it is countered by Neptune or not because usage of Neptune is going down since the discovery of Dark Deathscyther on Orbit.

Also, even if Xcalibur was gone from Toronto's tournaments doesn't mean it should be removed from the list. Toronto might be a really active region, but that doesn't mean your point of view on the competitiveness of a part should be based only on how much you've seen it in your own region's tournaments.

(Jun. 26, 2016  9:26 PM)MissingNo. Wrote: [ -> ]Also, even if Xcalibur was gone from Toronto's tournaments doesn't mean it should be removed from the list. Toronto might be a really active region, but that doesn't mean your point of view on the competitiveness of a part should be based only on how much you've seen it in your own region's tournaments.

That's true, but it goes both ways. Just because it's done well in Montreal doesn't mean it deserves to be on the list either (just playing devil's advocate here; I do think Xcalibur is good and should be on the list). It's fair to use our experiences as evidence to back up our assertions, but we have to try and discern what the best choices are for people objectively as a group as best we can.

The list has just been updated!

Thanks to everyone that gave their input throughout these past few days. It's huge now!

The list is looking good, Mitsu! The one thing I am still questioning whether it should be put on the list or not is the Valkryie set; it's cheap, and a way to get Valkryie and Accel. What your thoughts on it Mitsu, and others?