Since the recent discovery of a boatload of Fake tests that had played an important role in limited from one particular user, am I the only one that thinks proof of parts photos should necessary for posting threads ( I don't think we need it for tests contributing to a thread, unless it's atleast 10.).
I think this would be possibly a good step. Now we will be able to know of parts are actually used and not forged. Great idea.
Owning the parts is definitely one step, but technically who knows if the tests were even really done too. However, we cannot ask for videos every single time either ...
(Jan. 14, 2015 1:33 AM)Kai-V Wrote: [ -> ]Owning the parts is definitely one step, but technically who knows if the tests were even really done too. However, we cannot ask for videos every single time either ...
It brings us a little closer to confirming large amounts of tests. There's nothing now, atleast we'll know the person atleast owns the parts.
I'd say maybe also get multiple testers and know the people doing it.
(Jan. 14, 2015 1:45 AM)JinbeeTheShark Wrote: [ -> ]I'd say maybe also get multiple testers and know the people doing it.
Get multiple testers for what?
I'm talking about making this a requirement for making combo threads and contributing 10 or more tests to someone else thread.
If your saying to only let well known and veteran members test, i don't know about that...
@[JinbeeTheShark] and @[DRAGON KING], great ideas! This will help prevent liars from doing fake tests. Let's hope this gets accepted
Definitely a smart idea, Dragon King; I was on the verge of making this at one point myself, no joke.
But yeah, like Kai-V said, though, while uploading photos just for confirmation of the parts is smart, that
doesn't necessarily mean that they're actually doing the testings behind the camera.
Kai-V Wrote:However, we cannot ask for videos every single time either ...
It doesn't need to be all the time, maybe as long as we get a couple 3/4 at the most, we'd probably be able to see that if they can do 10/20 battles on video, they'd do it off camera, not fabricating their testings, risking getting a warning level and ruining their reputation on the forum. I honestly wouldn't mind doing that, by the way, haha.
Interesting topic and idea.
I'm torn. Its a fantastic way to prove the tests are not fabricated, but at the same time, if someone doesn't have access for whatever to upload or take the picture, then there'd be an issue.
I mean, say I did tests but my phone/camera was broken and I couldn't take a picture. I'd hope people would trust my tests after how many I've done, but if this were a newer member in the same scenario, people would probably doubt it more. What I'm trying to say, is if this does become mandated or something, it could certainly raise unnecessary suspicion amongst members, in certain situations- which could lead to discouragement among posting tests. Probably rambling by now, hopefully you get what I'm trying to say, haha.
EDIT: Yeah and there was also the issue with pictures being fabricated that was already mentioned. Also, I wish there was an option for this to be recommended rather than mandated, hence me voting no for making it required.
(Jan. 14, 2015 2:01 AM)Leone19 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm torn. Its a fantastic way to prove the tests are not fabricated, but at the same time, if someone doesn't have access for whatever to upload or take the picture, then there'd be an issue.
Yeah I beleive this is an issue. This is a great idea and would solve problems in the future, but it would prevent some people from doing testings.
Videos are a pain in the carp most of the time (not to mention that Youtube isn't readily available for everyone here) & I feel this could discourage some people from wanting to test altogether.
I am fully behind posting pictures in a thread OP, preferably with the poster's username on a sheet of paper, so that we know they at least own the parts and nothing is stopping them from testing.
There's nothing more we can do without creating an annoyance for those who genuinely want to help.
I haven't been around recently, but i've seen my fair share of fake tests. Honestly, it shouldn't be a requirement for videos or pictures. This is because other people's testings will prove whether or not OP's tests were fabricated, and even if some are unsure either way, it shouldn't be too hard for OP just to post some pics.
That's part of the reason other people do tests besides OP, is to confirm what others are saying.
#thatsjustmytwocents
Wouldn't a more active testing community solve the problem?
Of course, that's a problem in and of itself, as we can't expect multiple people to provide tests for every combo that someone posts, but if there are doubtful tests, having other people test is the easiest way to see if the tests are legitimate.
This is a good first line of defence though. While pictures won't stop all people who fake tests, it will at least filter out those that are just completely making stuff up.
Unfortunately, as was mentioned earlier, some people may not have the resources needed to upload a picture.
It's a good idea, and I think it should be considered, but like Leone19 said, I'm torn.
(Jan. 14, 2015 1:47 AM)DRAGON KING Wrote: [ -> ] (Jan. 14, 2015 1:45 AM)JinbeeTheShark Wrote: [ -> ]I'd say maybe also get multiple testers and know the people doing it.
Get multiple testers for what?
I'm talking about making this a requirement for making combo threads and contributing 10 or more tests to someone else thread.
If your saying to only let well known and veteran members test, i don't know about that...
I mean get a person to test it and another to back it up with a test comparison and work out the averages unless one is faking it
As far as "multiple testers" becoming mandated or something, I'd say no. Again, the issue arises when it's a newer member testing. He or she may not be so active or friendly with members, probably not feeling super comfortable asking X member for help testing. Just my opinion on that.
Back to the OP 's topic, Dual pretty much summed up my thoughts nicely, haha.
I most certainly will not upload a video of me testing something even if it is just occasional personally. I don't have a good camera and no wifi.
A photo of each indovidual part would be cool though. Then we could even see the condition of the parts they are using.
I personally don't think proof of parts should be required (and certainly not video - filming matches, turning that footage into a presentable video, and then uploading it online is incredibly time consuming/irritating), although it should definitely be encouraged.
Like everyone's been saying, it won't guarantee that the results are legitimate, but it will at least weed out those users who don't actually own the parts they claim to be testing.
I actually have an idea about this; if someone is posting a testing thread of some kind (or, like DK said, contributing a large batch of results to a thread), they must include proof of parts. If they don't have the means to take/upload the photographs, they should contact a moderator in advance to ask permission before posting their results. If the moderator feels the person is trustworthy and that the results are legitimate, then the user may post them, but if not, they will have to wait until they are able to upload pictures.
That way, proof of parts isn't necessarily required, but we can be sure that we'll have it whenever possible. It might be a bit of a hassle, so it really depends on how badly we (specifically the mods) want to ensure the legitimacy of the tests.
If someone took pictures of parts, there isn't a garuntee that the person won't switch when no pictures are taken.
(Jan. 14, 2015 7:10 PM)JinbeeTheShark Wrote: [ -> ]If someone took pictures of parts, there isn't a garuntee that the person won't switch when no pictures are taken.
Well, its proof that they at least have the parts. This will be put into trial (not for the WBO, but just some pushing for this to happen) when The Supreme One does testings for BeyBall
Yeah, I guess so, let's hope this works.
So how do we find out if they're fake?
(Jan. 14, 2015 9:53 PM)JinbeeTheShark Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, I guess so, let's hope this works.
So how do we find out if they're fake?
High enough quality pictures usually tell. Other than that, there is literally no way to prove it. This is the best way
The reason people would know tests were false is because another experiments with them, however it does cause a huge problem where it confuses people and when they do not know who are the fakers, so I'll let others decide what to do.
Another problem I thought of is it could deter potential testers who either can't upload the picture or simply don't want to, so the amount of testing might drop.
Well, they should use Tinypic, it's free and very simple.
I know for one thing, I don't have access to a computer, and mobile uploads are difficult and don't always work, so it would pose problems for me, and I'm sure others.