Dec. 24, 2014 2:41 PM
[LTD] MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF • Playing with Ronin-Based LTACs
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Hey everyone, how's it going? As it's been exactly two years since I've joined the WBO, I figured I'd do something kind of special; that being a testing thread, hopefully benefiting Limited, also giving us a good idea of what Ronin and Gryph can pull off in terms of Attack. Now, with that being said, let's begin!
The Equipment Used (Click to View)
Right Spin Beylauncher L/R + Beypointer + Launcher Rubber
Left Spin Left Spin Beylauncher
Of course, all matches will be taken in place in a BB-10 Attack stadium.
The Concept (Click to View)
My initial intention was to simply experiment with Ronin and Gryph, although I got amazing results out of it.
I wanted this to be an alternative choice for Lightning, being able to have its same abilities, not only being able to KO, but to destabilize and even get the alternative OS if no KO occurs, as well.
The Launch (Click to View)
This would really depend on what setup you'd be facing; if you go against Stamina, Defense or non-aggro Balance combos, you'd want to go for a sliding shot, although against Attack, RF-Based Balance or Balance itself, you'd probably want to go for a simple regular one.
The Part Choice (Click to View)
MSF-H
Of course, always nice for Attack-Based setups.
Ronin
The only left spin-Based Chrome Wheel out there.
Gryph
I just really, really wanted to experiment this for Attack! It's jagged; a good attribute for Attack wheels.
85
A traditional track for LTACs; I felt like it was necessary to this setup.
Rubber Flat
Because of it's Attack abilities, grip to the stadium and has significantly more Stamina than an R2F and LRF.
Versus LTACs (Click to View)
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus MF-H Pegasis 105RF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Launches Alternated Every Ten Rounds
Ronin Gryph: 12/20 (3 OS, 9 KO) 60% Win Rate
Pegasis: 8/20 (1 OS, 7 KO) 40% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus MF-H Omega Uranus 105RF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Launches Alternated Every Ten Rounds
Ronin Gryph: 3/10 (ALL KO) 30% Win Rate
Omega Uranus: 7/10 (2 OS, 5 KO) 70% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus MF-H Lightning L-Drago 105RF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Launches Alternated Every Ten Rounds
Ronin Gryph: 4/10 (2 OS, 2 KO) 40% Win Rate
Lightning L-Drago: 6/10 (2 OS, 4 KO) 60% Win Rate
Overall Win Rate 19/30 • 63% Win Rate
Versus MTACs (Click to View)
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Samurai Wyvang H145RSF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Launches Alternated Every Ten Rounds • Samurai Crystal Mode Up
Ronin Gryph: 8/10 (ALL KO) 80% Win Rate
Pegasis: 2/10 (ALL KO) 20% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Gladiator Wyvang H145RF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Launches Alternated Every Ten Rounds • Gladiator Crystal Mode Up
Ronin Gryph: 7/10 (2 OS, 5 KO) 70% Win Rate
Gladiator Wyvang: 3/10 (ALL KO) 30% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Thief Phoenic H145RF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Launches Alternated Every Ten Rounds • Thief Crystal Mode Up
Ronin Gryph: 7/10 (2 OS, 5 KO) 70% Win Rate
Thief Phoenic: 3/10 (ALL KO) 30% Win Rate
Overall Win Rate 23/30 • 76% Win Rate
Versus LTDCs (Click to View)
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Libra 85RSF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Libra Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 3/10 (2 OS, 1 KO) 30% Win Rate
Libra: 7/10 (2 OS, 5 KO) 70% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Earth Bull 85RSF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Earth Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 14/20 (2 OS, 12 KO) 70% Win Rate
Earth Bull: 6/20 (2 OS, 4 KO) 30% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Scythe Bull 85RSF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Scythe Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 11/20 (4 OS, 7 KO) 55% Win Rate
Scythe Bull: 9/20 (5 OS, 4 KO) 45% Win Rate
Overall Win Rate 28/50 • 56% Win Rate
Lightning versus LTDCs • Benchmarks (Click to View)
MF-H Lightning L-Drago 105RF versus Libra 85RSF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Libra Launched First all Matches
Lightning L-Drago: 5/10 (2 OS, 3 KO) 50% Win Rate
Libra: 5/10 (2 OS, 3 KO) 50% Win Rate
MF-H Lightning L-Drago 105RF versus Earth Bull 85RSF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Earth Launched First all Matches
Lightning L-Drago: 5/20 (1 OS, 4 KO) 25% Win Rate
Earth Bull: 15/20 (14 OS, 1 KO) 75% Win Rate
MF-H Lightning L-Drago 105RF versus Scythe Bull 85RSF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Scythe Launched First all Matches
Lightning L-Drago: 4/20 (2 OS, 2 KO) 20% Win Rate
Scythe Bull: 16/20 (12 OS, 4 KO) 80% Win Rate
Woah, a pretty big change of results the past two matches; Lightning got wrecked these two!
Overall Win Rate 14/50 • 28% Win Rate
Versus MTDCs (Click to View)
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Earth Bull GB145RSF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Launches Alternated Every Ten Rounds
Lightning L-Drago: 9/10 (1 OS, 8 KO) 90% Win Rate
Libra: 1/10 (ALL OS) 10% Win Rate
Overall Win Rate 9/10 • 90% Win Rate
Lightning versus MTDCs • Benchmark (Click to View)
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Earth Bull GB145RSF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Launches Alternated Every Ten Rounds
Lightning L-Drago: 7/10 (2 OS, 5 KO) 70% Win Rate
Libra: 3/10 (ALL OS) 30% Win Rate
Overall Win Rate 7/10 • 70% Win Rate
Versus HTDCs (Click to View)
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Libra TH170RSF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Libra Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 14/20 (ALL KO) 70% Win Rate
Libra: 6/20 (5 OS, 1 KO) 30% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Earth Bull TH170RSF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Earth Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 14/20 (11 KO, 3 OS) 70% Win Rate
Earth Bull: 6/20 (1 OS, 5 KO) 30% Win Rate
I don't remember why so many of Earth Bull's wins were by KO. :\
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Scythe Bull TH170RSF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Scythe Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 17/20 (ALL KO) 85% Win Rate
Scythe Bull: 3/20 (ALL KO) 15% Win Rate
Overall Win Rate 45/60 • 75% Win Rate
Lightning versus LTDCs • Benchmarks (Click to View)
MF-H Lightning L-Drago 105RF versus Libra TH170RSF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Libra Launched First all Matches
Lightning L-Drago: 16/20 (1 OS, 15 KO) 80% Win Rate
Libra: 4/20 (3 OS, 1 KO) 20% Win Rate
MF-H Lightning L-Drago 105RF versus Earth Bull TH170RSF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Earth Launched First all Matches
Lightning L-Drago: 10/20 (ALL KO) 50% Win Rate
Earth Bull: 10/20 (ALL OS) 50% Win Rate
MF-H Lightning L-Drago 105RF versus Scythe Bull TH170RSF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Scythe Launched First all Matches
Lightning L-Drago: 13/20 (ALL KO) 65% Win Rate
Scythe Bull: 7/20 (ALL OS) 35% Win Rate
Overall Win Rate 39/60 • 65% Win Rate
Versus LTSCs (Click to View)
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Duo Cancer 90WD
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Duo Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 14/20 (2 OS, 12 KO) 70% Win Rate
Duo Cancer: 6/20 (ALL OS) 30% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Scythe Cancer 90WD
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Scythe Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 14/20 (1 OS, 13 KO) 70% Win Rate
Scythe Cancer: 6/20 (ALL OS) 30% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Burn Cancer 90WD
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Burn Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 15/20 (ALL KO) 75% Win Rate
Burn Cancer: 5/20 (3 OS, 2 KO) 25% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Libra 90WD
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Libra Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 14/20 (ALL KO) 70% Win Rate
Libra: 6/20 (5 OS, 1 KO) 30% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Earth Cancer 90WD
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Earth Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 12/20 (ALL KO) 60% Win Rate
Duo Cygnus: 8/20 (6 OS, 2 KO) 40% Win Rate
Overall Win Rate 69/100 • 69% Win Rate
Versus MTSCs (Click to View)
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Duo Cancer W145WD
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Duo Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 9/10 (ALL KO) 90% Win Rate
Duo Cancer: 1/10 (ALL KO) 10% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Scythe Cancer AD145WD
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Scythe Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 8/10 (ALL KO) 80% Win Rate
Scythe Cancer: 2/10 (ALL KO) 20% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Burn Cancer W145WD
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Burn Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 9/10 (ALL KO) 90% Win Rate
Burn Cancer: 1/10 (ALL OS) 10% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Libra AD145WD
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Libra Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 14/20 (ALL KO) 70% Win Rate
Libra: 6/20 (4 OS, 2 KO) 30% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Earth Cancer W145WD
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Earth Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 15/20 (ALL KO) 75% Win Rate
Earth Cancer: 5/20 (3 OS, 2 KO) 25% Win Rate
Overall Win Rate 55/70 • 78% Win Rate
Versus Balance (Click to View)
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Earth Cygnus TH170TB
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Earth Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 11/20 (ALL KO) 55% Win Rate
Earth Cygnus: 9/20 (3 OS, 6 KO) 45% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Scythe Cygnus TH170TB
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Scythe Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 8/10 (ALL KO) 80% Win Rate
Scythe Cygnus: 2/10 (ALL KO) 20% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Duo Cygnus TH170TB
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Duo Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 9/10 (ALL KO) 90% Win Rate
Duo Cygnus: 1/10 (ALL OS) 10% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Duo Cygnus 230CS
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Duo Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 8/10 (ALL KO) 80% Win Rate
Duo Cygnus: 2/10 (ALL OS) 20% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Scythe Cygnus 230CS
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Scythe Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 15/20 (ALL KO) 75% Win Rate
Scythe Cygnus: 5/20 (3 OS, 2 KO) 25% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Earth Cygnus 230CS
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Earth Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 8/10 (ALL KO) 80% Win Rate
Earth Cygnus: 5/20 (1 OS, 1 KO) 20% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Burn Cancer 90MF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Burn Launched First all Matches
Ronin Gryph: 8/10 (ALL KO) 80% Win Rate
Duo Cygnus: 2/20 (1 OS, 1 KO) 20% Win Rate
Overall Win Rate 67/90 • 74% Win Rate
Versus RF-Based Balance (Click to View)
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Libra 90RF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Launches Alternated Every Ten Matches
Ronin Gryph: 10/20 (ALL KO) 50% Win Rate
Libra: 10/20 (2 OS, 8 KO) 50% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Libra CH120RF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Launches Alternated Every Ten Matches
Ronin Gryph: 11/20 (ALL KO) 55% Win Rate
Libra: 9/20 (2 OS, 7 KO) 45% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Scythe Elscolpio 90RF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Launches Alternated Every Ten Matches
Ronin Gryph: 9/20 (ALL KO) 45% Win Rate
Scythe Elscolpio: 11/20 (2 OS, 9 KO) 55% Win Rate
MSF-H Ronin Gryph 85RF versus Scythe Pegasis II CH120RF
Both Bottoms in their Prime • Launches Alternated Every Ten Matches
Ronin Gryph: 14/20 (ALL KO) 70% Win Rate
Scythe Elscolpio: 6/20 (ALL KO) 30% Win Rate
Overall Win Rate 55/80 • 68.75% Win Rate
Testings and Comparisons From Other Users (Click to View)
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OVERALL THOUGHTS ON THE COMBO
I think the combo does pretty impressive in each area, and has pulled off some pretty great results. The combo is maybe, just maybe tier-list worthy. Hopefully these many battles done will give us a good idea on whether or whether not it is, haha. I do think, though, that this thing is kind of like a mini Lightning, as well; this and Leone19's Ronin Zirago 85RF are definitely impressive alternatives!
I think the combo does pretty impressive in each area, and has pulled off some pretty great results. The combo is maybe, just maybe tier-list worthy. Hopefully these many battles done will give us a good idea on whether or whether not it is, haha. I do think, though, that this thing is kind of like a mini Lightning, as well; this and Leone19's Ronin Zirago 85RF are definitely impressive alternatives!
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Thanks for reading! Please let me know if you'd like to contribute to this thread, regardless of what it may be to help out, whether it's making a testing video of it in action or testings themselves; I'd be very appreciative.