Jul. 24, 2014 6:07 PM
Just what we needed, another combo that uses everyone's favorite part.
Seriously though, I came up with this idea after Tri's MF-L Burn Cancer F230CS did so well for me in Limited, so I tired to make a Standard variation. I also had some inspiration from Wolborg 2's base, since if a rubber Bearing Drive existed it might be the most broken MFB part ever created. F230RDF is as close as we'll get to that, and for the most part, it works. I actually planned to drop this on someone (specifically TheBlackDragon's Balro MF combo) during Return of the Plastics - Standard, but got eliminated before I could use it.
Part Explanation
MF-L: gives the custom some more weight while not sacrificing too much Stamina. Plus I always use MF-L on my Stamina types, even though this is more of a hybrid. MF-H and Normal Face will probably work too, but I didn't test them.
Cancer: Generic Stamina CW. While I don't have Cygnus, I assume it would work just fine as a replacement.
Duo: For Stamina and its smooth shape. also it overhangs the Track a bit to help against destabilization, something that Killerken or Genbull didn't do so well with.
F230: Free spin allows the custom to take full advantage of RDF's precession.
RDF: For its defensive capabilities, as well as precession.
NOTES: In these tests a Hasbro Orange F230 was used. Also I'm not very good with Attack types. Since the free-spin of F230 varies, I'll have a link to a video of mine up ASAP.
EDIT: the link
Tests:
Equipment
Beylauncher L/R and Beylauncher R, both on 3-segment grips
BB-10
Alternating launches for Duo Cancer vs. Stamina
Duo Cancer launched first vs. Attack
Vs. Attack
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs. MSF-H Balro Balro BD145MF
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs. Zirago Wyvang H145R2F
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs. Bahamdia Dragooon BD145R2F
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs. Bahamdia Ifraid SA165 (Attack) R2F
Vs. Defense
MF-L Duo Cancer F30RDF vs. MSF-H Revizer Revizer BD145CS
Vs. Stamina
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs. MSF-L Genbull Genbull SR200TB
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs. Killerken Dragooon SA165EWD
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs. Killerken Genbull SA165EWD
Vs. Balance
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs. MSF-H Zirago Wyvang BD145RSF
Echizen's testing
DrPepsidew's testing
~Midnight~'s testing
Overall
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF beats Revizer Defense and Balro MF consistently. Even for me Wyvang Attack killed it, and it auto-loses to Dragooon Spin Stealers. It breaks about even with non-Wyvang attack, tall Track Genbull Stamina, and Wyvang RSF. Tests using a TT Orange F230 would be greatly appreciated. I only own one F230, RDF, Dragooon, Duo and Wyvang, so please keep that in mind when asking for certain matchups.
Seriously though, I came up with this idea after Tri's MF-L Burn Cancer F230CS did so well for me in Limited, so I tired to make a Standard variation. I also had some inspiration from Wolborg 2's base, since if a rubber Bearing Drive existed it might be the most broken MFB part ever created. F230RDF is as close as we'll get to that, and for the most part, it works. I actually planned to drop this on someone (specifically TheBlackDragon's Balro MF combo) during Return of the Plastics - Standard, but got eliminated before I could use it.
Part Explanation
MF-L: gives the custom some more weight while not sacrificing too much Stamina. Plus I always use MF-L on my Stamina types, even though this is more of a hybrid. MF-H and Normal Face will probably work too, but I didn't test them.
Cancer: Generic Stamina CW. While I don't have Cygnus, I assume it would work just fine as a replacement.
Duo: For Stamina and its smooth shape. also it overhangs the Track a bit to help against destabilization, something that Killerken or Genbull didn't do so well with.
F230: Free spin allows the custom to take full advantage of RDF's precession.
RDF: For its defensive capabilities, as well as precession.
NOTES: In these tests a Hasbro Orange F230 was used. Also I'm not very good with Attack types. Since the free-spin of F230 varies, I'll have a link to a video of mine up ASAP.
EDIT: the link
Tests:
Equipment
Beylauncher L/R and Beylauncher R, both on 3-segment grips
BB-10
Alternating launches for Duo Cancer vs. Stamina
Duo Cancer launched first vs. Attack
Vs. Attack
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MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs. MSF-H Balro Balro BD145MF
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Cancer: 15 wins (all OS)
Balro: 5 wins (4 KO, 1 OS)
3 ties redone
Cancer win rate: 75%
Balro couldn't get a OHKO on RDF and needed several consecutive hits to KO it. the OS came from Balro destabilizing F230 at the end of the battle. I tried both methods of shooting Balro (stalling and Sliding Shoot), but neither had much success.
Balro: 5 wins (4 KO, 1 OS)
3 ties redone
Cancer win rate: 75%
Balro couldn't get a OHKO on RDF and needed several consecutive hits to KO it. the OS came from Balro destabilizing F230 at the end of the battle. I tried both methods of shooting Balro (stalling and Sliding Shoot), but neither had much success.
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs. Zirago Wyvang H145R2F
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Cancer: 6 wins (5 OS, 1 KO)
Wyvang: 14 wins (13 KO, 1 OS)
Cancer win rate: 30%
Cancer's KO came from a wall save where Wyvang recoiled out, and Wyvang's OS was when Cancer wall saved a bunch of times but was too beat up to OS Wyvang.
Wyvang: 14 wins (13 KO, 1 OS)
Cancer win rate: 30%
Cancer's KO came from a wall save where Wyvang recoiled out, and Wyvang's OS was when Cancer wall saved a bunch of times but was too beat up to OS Wyvang.
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs. Bahamdia Dragooon BD145R2F
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Cancer: 13 wins (12 OS, 1 KO)
Dragooon: 7 wins (all KO)
5 ties redone
Cancer win rate: 65%
I weak launched Cancer. Its one KO was when Dragooon Self-KOd.
Dragooon: 7 wins (all KO)
5 ties redone
Cancer win rate: 65%
I weak launched Cancer. Its one KO was when Dragooon Self-KOd.
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs. Bahamdia Ifraid SA165 (Attack) R2F
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Cancer: 11 wins (all OS)
Ifraid: 9 wins (all KO)
Cancer win rate: 55%
Ifraid: 9 wins (all KO)
Cancer win rate: 55%
Vs. Defense
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MF-L Duo Cancer F30RDF vs. MSF-H Revizer Revizer BD145CS
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Cancer: 10 wins (all OS)
Revizer: 0 wins
Cancer win rate: 100%
Revizer: 0 wins
Cancer win rate: 100%
Vs. Stamina
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MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs. MSF-L Genbull Genbull SR200TB
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Cancer: 11 wins (all OS)
Genbull: 9 wins (all OS)
Cancer win rate: 55%
It mostly came down to who was launched first, but it helped that TB has worse balance than RDF and would fall over sooner. Pretty sure a TT Orange F230 would have done better here.
Genbull: 9 wins (all OS)
Cancer win rate: 55%
It mostly came down to who was launched first, but it helped that TB has worse balance than RDF and would fall over sooner. Pretty sure a TT Orange F230 would have done better here.
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs. Killerken Dragooon SA165EWD
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Cancer: 0 wins
Dragooon: 10 wins (all OS)
Cancer win rate: 0%
Cancer couldn't win no matter of any combination of weak launch between the two.
Dragooon: 10 wins (all OS)
Cancer win rate: 0%
Cancer couldn't win no matter of any combination of weak launch between the two.
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs. Killerken Genbull SA165EWD
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Cancer: 0 wins
Genbull: 10 wins (all OS)
Cancer win rate: 0%
Genbull: 10 wins (all OS)
Cancer win rate: 0%
Vs. Balance
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MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs. MSF-H Zirago Wyvang BD145RSF
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Cancer wins: 13 (all OS)
Wyvang wins: 17 (14 KO, 3 OS)
1 tie redone
Cancer win rate: 43.3%
RSF was aggressively launched.
Wyvang wins: 17 (14 KO, 3 OS)
1 tie redone
Cancer win rate: 43.3%
RSF was aggressively launched.
Echizen's testing
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(Jul. 24, 2014 10:10 PM)Echizen Wrote: [ -> ]Attack Testing:
MSF-H Balro Wyvang GB145R2F Vs. MF-L Duo Gasher F230RDF
BW: 12(All KO)
DG: 8(1KO, 7OS)
Ties: 1
MF-L Duo Gasher Win Percentage: 40%
Stamina Testing:
Killerken Genbull SA165EWD Vs. MF-L Duo Gasher F230RDF
KG: 10(All OS)
DG: 0
Ties: 0
MF-L Duo Gasher Win Percentage: 0%
Killerken Dragooon SA165EWD Vs. MF-L Duo Gasher F230RDF
KD: 10(All OS)
DG: 0
Ties: 2
MF-L Duo Gasher Win Percentage: 0%
Balance Testing:
MSF-H Balro Wyvang BD145RSF Vs. MF-L Duo Gasher F230RDF
BW: 11(9 KO, 2OS)
DG: 9(All OS)
Ties: 1
MF-L Duo Gasher Win Percentage: 45%
DrPepsidew's testing
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VS Wyvang^2 SA165 (Attack) RF
DG win rate: 15% (2 OS, 1 KO)
Wyvang (All KO)
VS MSF-H Balro^2 BD145 MF
DG win rate: 20% (All OS)
Balro (13 OS, 3 KO)
DG win rate: 15% (2 OS, 1 KO)
Wyvang (All KO)
VS MSF-H Balro^2 BD145 MF
DG win rate: 20% (All OS)
Balro (13 OS, 3 KO)
~Midnight~'s testing
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MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs MSF-L Reviser Dragoon BD145RS:
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs MSF-H Balro Balro D125RF:
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs MSF-L Begirados Begirados BD145RF:
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF:
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs MSF-L Reviser Killerken E230CS:
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs MSF-H Genbull Dragoon T125GCF:
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs MSF-L Killerken Dragoon BD145GF:
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Opposing Variation: (0 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Duo Cancer: (10 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Duo Cancer win percentage: 100%
Duo Cancer: (10 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Duo Cancer win percentage: 100%
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs MSF-H Balro Balro D125RF:
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Opposing Variation: (0 OS'S, 12 KO'S)
Duo Cancer: (8 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Duo Cancer win percentage: 40%
Duo Cancer: (8 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Duo Cancer win percentage: 40%
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs MSF-L Begirados Begirados BD145RF:
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Opposing Variation: (0 OS'S, 9 KO'S)
Duo Cancer: (10 OS'S, 1 KO)
Duo Cancer win percentage: 55%
Duo Cancer: (10 OS'S, 1 KO)
Duo Cancer win percentage: 55%
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs MSF-L Girago Girago BD145RF:
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Opposing Variation: (0 OS'S, 9 KO'S)
Duo Cancer: (11 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Duo Cancer win percentage: 55%
Duo Cancer: (11 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Duo Cancer win percentage: 55%
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs MSF-L Reviser Killerken E230CS:
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Opposing Variation: (14 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Duo Cancer: (6 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Duo Cancer win percentage: 30%
Duo Cancer: (6 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Duo Cancer win percentage: 30%
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs MSF-H Genbull Dragoon T125GCF:
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Opposing Variation: (10 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Duo Cancer: (0 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Duo Cancer win percentage: 0%
Duo Cancer: (0 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Duo Cancer win percentage: 0%
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF vs MSF-L Killerken Dragoon BD145GF:
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Opposing Variation: (10 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Duo Cancer: (0 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Duo Cancer win percentage: 0%
Duo Cancer: (0 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Duo Cancer win percentage: 0%
Overall
MF-L Duo Cancer F230RDF beats Revizer Defense and Balro MF consistently. Even for me Wyvang Attack killed it, and it auto-loses to Dragooon Spin Stealers. It breaks about even with non-Wyvang attack, tall Track Genbull Stamina, and Wyvang RSF. Tests using a TT Orange F230 would be greatly appreciated. I only own one F230, RDF, Dragooon, Duo and Wyvang, so please keep that in mind when asking for certain matchups.