Aug. 13, 2014 1:04 PM
I think he was being sarcastic. The hybrid wheel system is Metal Fight Beyblade as we know it: a beyblade made up of a facebolt, clear wheel, metal wheel, spin track, and performance tip,
(Aug. 13, 2014 12:41 PM)Poseidon Wrote: [ -> ]Not really, LTD is about letting underused parts shine.
(Aug. 13, 2014 12:41 PM)Poseidon Wrote: [ -> ]from my point of view, there is nothing about hell that makes it deserve it's ban.
Midnight in the [LTD] The Case For Unbanning Hell thread Wrote:Spoiler (Click to View)
Notes:
- Hell setup launched first every 20 battles.
- Conditions of pieces will be specified.
- The opposing variations were banked.
- I didn't really bother doing any tests against stamina and more attack, as the prime reason why Hell was given a ban was because of its weight, so it'd be best to see if attack variations would be able to actually give it a knockout.
Tests utilizing MF-L Hell Cancer 125W2D: (Click to View)
MF-L Hell Cancer 125W2D vs MF-L Lightning L-Drago 85RF:
W2D just about mint, RF just about considered worn, cleaned off every battle
Hell Setup: (3 OS'S, 3 KO'S)
Opposing Variation: (0 OS'S, 14 KO'S)
Hell Setup win percentage: 30%
MF-L Hell Cancer 125W2D vs MF-L Variares (left spin) 85RF:
Hasbro Variares, W2D just about mint, RF just about considered worn, cleaned off every battle
Hell Setup: (2 OS'S, 1 KO)
Opposing Variation: (0 OS'S, 17 KO'S)
Hell Setup win percentage: 15%
MF-L Hell Cancer 125W2D vs MSF-H Bahamdia Dark Knight 85RF:
W2D just about mint, RF just about considered worn, cleaned off every battle
Hell Setup: (1 OS, 3 KO'S)
Opposing Variation: (0 OS'S, 16 KO'S)
Hell Setup win percentage: 20%
MF-L Hell Cancer 125W2D vs MF-L Omega Pegasis II 85RF:
W2D just about mint, RF just about considered worn, cleaned off every battle
Hell Setup: (5 OS'S, 3 KO'S)
Opposing Variation: (0 OS'S, 12 KO'S)
Hell Setup win percentage: 40%
MF-L Hell Cancer 125W2D vs MF-L Pegasis 85RF:
W2D just about mint, RF just about considered worn, cleaned off every battle
Hell Setup: (3 OS'S, 2 KO'S)
Opposing Variation: (1 OS'S, 14 KO'S)
Hell Setup win percentage: 25%
MF-L Hell Cancer 125W2D vs MF-L Beat Pegasis II 85RF:
W2D just about mint, RF just about considered worn, cleaned off every battle
Hell Setup: (6 OS'S, 0 KO'S)
Opposing Variation: (0 OS'S, 14 KO'S)
Hell Setup win percentage: 30%
Hell Setup's number of OS'S: 20/160 battles came out being OS'S.
Hell Setup's number of KO'S: 12/160 battles came out being KO'S.
Hell Setup's overall win percentage: Roughly around 26%.
On another note, I and others were told by LMAO that Kreis was in need of an unbanning. That in mind, I'd kind of want to see some test results utilizing the piece in the future.
(Aug. 13, 2014 1:33 PM)~Midnight~ Wrote: [ -> ]Despite it being heavy-weighted (which is the targeted reason why it was given a ban), the Hell results I done using MF-L Hell Cancer 125W2D against attack, shown that they seemed to kill it.
(Aug. 13, 2014 8:07 PM)TʜᴇBʟᴀᴄᴋDʀᴀɢá´É´ Wrote: [ -> ](Aug. 13, 2014 1:33 PM)~Midnight~ Wrote: [ -> ]Despite it being heavy-weighted (which is the targeted reason why it was given a ban), the Hell results I done using MF-L Hell Cancer 125W2D against attack, shown that they seemed to kill it.
That's because Attack beats Stamina, haha. I don't think Earth would do much better.
And, as long as my heart is still pumping and I still have one finger that can type on a keyboard, NOBODY is EVER gonna unban Kreis without an incredibly irritating amount of resistance from me, lol. MSF-H Kreis Cygnus 85RB is absolutely immoveable.
(Sep. 07, 2014 10:27 PM)Echizen Wrote: [ -> ]The Hasbro is diffferent from the Takara. The Takara one is banned in Limited.
(Sep. 07, 2014 10:34 PM)Echizen Wrote: [ -> ]38.6 grams.
http://wiki.worldbeyblade.org/index.php/...nx_TH170WD
(Mar. 25, 2015 8:20 PM)SiontheHedgehog Wrote: [ -> ]I personally think ALL rubber tips should be banned. They are aggressive to the point that they are one hit ko.
(Mar. 25, 2015 8:51 PM)Cake Wrote: [ -> ](Mar. 25, 2015 8:20 PM)SiontheHedgehog Wrote: [ -> ]I personally think ALL rubber tips should be banned. They are aggressive to the point that they are one hit ko.
A good Attack type on a flat Rubber tip will OHKO anything but a Defense type, but that's the entire point of Attack. Without rubber tips, Defense and Attack would not be viable. Limited would degrade into endless Stamina battles, and would pretty much ruin the game.
(Mar. 25, 2015 8:20 PM)SiontheHedgehog Wrote: [ -> ]I personally think ALL rubber tips should be banned. They are aggressive to the point that they are one hit ko.
(Mar. 25, 2015 10:49 PM)SiontheHedgehog Wrote: [ -> ](Mar. 25, 2015 8:51 PM)Cake Wrote: [ -> ](Mar. 25, 2015 8:20 PM)SiontheHedgehog Wrote: [ -> ]I personally think ALL rubber tips should be banned. They are aggressive to the point that they are one hit ko.
A good Attack type on a flat Rubber tip will OHKO anything but a Defense type, but that's the entire point of Attack. Without rubber tips, Defense and Attack would not be viable. Limited would degrade into endless Stamina battles, and would pretty much ruin the game.
Yeah.... I had my mf pegasis 85 r2f (i used r2df instead of rf) brutally KO kreis cygnus...
Not saying attack types would.... but if they are going to use rf, please bring back all other rubber tips... a good stamina type could easily defeat rs or rdf!
(Mar. 28, 2015 8:16 PM)Kei Wrote: [ -> ]After re-watching the carnage Attack types dealt out at GRAND BATTLE TOURNAMENT 2 I've realized that Limited probably does need a slight boost in the viability of defensive customs, but I would not want to unban RS because it would shut down all right-spin attackers. Defense should beat Attack, but not at a staggering 100% of the time rate.
(Mar. 28, 2015 8:16 PM)Kei Wrote: [ -> ]The problem with RS is that it is incredible against same spin direction opponents. And against opposite spin direction opponents it varies from being OK to terrible. My tests from when RS was first released–which are amusingly now very relevant to Limited–illustrate this: http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-RS-Discussion
(Mar. 29, 2015 3:03 AM)Wombat Wrote: [ -> ](Mar. 28, 2015 8:16 PM)Kei Wrote: [ -> ]After re-watching the carnage Attack types dealt out at GRAND BATTLE TOURNAMENT 2 I've realized that Limited probably does need a slight boost in the viability of defensive customs, but I would not want to unban RS because it would shut down all right-spin attackers. Defense should beat Attack, but not at a staggering 100% of the time rate.How would we go about buffing Defense anyways? If not RS, unban Fusion or Kreis? I don't have a real version of either right now but from what I've heard from TheBlackDragon and maybe a few other people both of them are pretty unstoppable with MF-H and 85RB.
(Mar. 29, 2015 3:03 AM)Wombat Wrote: [ -> ]I'm nowhere near as experienced or knowledgeable about Limited as you are, but I think it's fine the way it is. I don't think Defense should necessarily beat Attack, since the dominance of Attackers in the metagame is supposed to be balanced out by their riskiness and people's inconsistency while using them/reluctance to use them in tournaments. Sometimes when I'm practicing I can KO pretty much any combo consistently with Omega, but that won't always happen every day; it's even less likely during an event when I'm nervous.
How would we go about buffing Defense anyways? If not RS, unban Fusion or Kreis? I don't have a real version of either right now but from what I've heard from TheBlackDragon and maybe a few other people both of them are pretty unstoppable with MF-H and 85RB.
Sorry if any of this came off as offensive or rude, I definitely didn't mean it that way.
(Mar. 29, 2015 7:56 PM)Cake Wrote: [ -> ]Result:
Nothing is really safe to be unbanned at this point, IMO, without serious reworking of the whole banlist to re-balance things. However, I do not own Omega or Scythe, so if Kries happens to be vulnerable to either of those, it could be a possibility.
(Mar. 30, 2015 1:00 AM)Kei Wrote: [ -> ]They should have an advantage on some level because Attack inherently has greater ability to overcome it's shortcomings (as opposed to pure Defense types inability to overcome the fact that they cannot outspin a Stamina type, an Attack type has the potential to overcome the type that is supposed to defeat it: Defense), but there has to be a perfect balance ... finding that is the hard part.
(Mar. 30, 2015 1:00 AM)Kei Wrote: [ -> ]That's one option that might be worth exploring, but here's another, potentially crazier idea:
Ban the most powerful Attack Wheels: Omega & Lightning. Omega because it is the heaviest and one of the most cleanly-hitting Metal Wheels, and Lightning because it is also incredibly cleanly-hitting, low recoil, agile without feeling too light, and because it is left-spin.
(Mar. 30, 2015 1:00 AM)Kei Wrote: [ -> ]Another issue I've noticed since the beginning of Limited Format is the power of RSF-based (and RB when it was introduced) Attackers. These have been seriously underused by a lot of people. They have several reliable counters, but have little trouble beating Defense as it currently stands and most Stamina combos. The reason I mention this is because if even these types of less-aggressive combos can defeat Defense, what does that say about how poor the type is in this format?