If you launch the bey in the center of the stadium, it can tornado stall for a few seconds. But in a real battle, the stadium will sway once the beyblades are launched thus making it impossible to tornado stall because the bey will go to center by itself or it will self KO from one of the pockets.
(Nov. 12, 2012 4:08 PM)Ultimo Wrote: [ -> ]Try launching Duo Gasher around 80%-90%. Also, what height was Duo in? Do tests on all three heights to see which one can defeat Gargole Dragooon SA165 SD consistently. Also, try adding a MF-F or a MF-L to increase the stamina of the combo. If you don't have one, then use the lightest facebolt you have. You can also try to use other CW's like Cygnus, Aquario, and Kerbecs to see which one does best. Gasher may not be the best CW choice for this combo. I know this is a lot to ask, but I truly believe that this combo is the counter to Dragooon combo's.
1. 170
2. MF-F/L are heavier than a normal Face.
3. I own Aquario and Kerbecs, but Kerbecs is 3-sided and therefore would have carp synergy on Duo.
3. The edges on my Duo are kinda worn.
(Nov. 12, 2012 10:57 PM)Ultimo Wrote: [ -> ]I wanted Crab Commando to test this combo in BOTH a BB-10 and a Zero G Stadium. He originally had tested the combo in a BB-10. I Just would like to see how this combo would do in both the stadiums.
I don't have a Zero-G Stadium.
While I don't own a ZG Stadium, I have a feeling that only C-series tips (CF/GCF) will work well because of the disk. Again, though, I don't have a ZG Stadium...
Still, please do try to test in a BB-10. Use the 195 and 220 heights. Also, try to use either a MF-F or a MF-L. Use both Aquario and Cancer/Gasher on Duo. I know this is a lot to ask but please do try to test.
Done. I didn't feel like using Gasher because if you observe my results, you will see why I didn't bother.
Mu, I tested your combo Duo Aquario TH170WSF against Gargole Dragooon B: D. I tried SA165SD, and I was wrong (wasn't launching DA right). DA worked well against it, because basic Stamina setups kinda suck on Synchroms because of the lack of balance.
This is my first time testing for the WBO, so bear with me.
Here are the tests for the GD B: D combo against yours.
Duo Aquario TH170WSF vs. Gargole Dragooon B: D
2 BeyLauncher L/Rs (one from Takara Gravity Perseus, the other from the Takara Ultimate DX Set), Beylauncher Suspension, MFB Attack Type Stadium (from the BB-32 set).
Duo Aquario was launched at slightly lower than normal to keep WSF under at least some control. Gargole Dragooon was always launched first.
1. GD, OS
2. GD, OS
3. (almost no stall) GD, OS
4. GD, OS (badly knocked off balance by DA on this match, but still won)
5. Misfire, redone 5. GD, OS
6. GD, OS
7. GD, OS
8. (bad launch) GD, OS
Aquario Win Rate: 0%
Dragooon Win Rate: 100%
I would've done more on this, but the matches didn't really seem to go anywhere
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1. (launch was kinda bad) GD, OS
2. GD, OS (by several rotations)
3. GD, OS (again, several rotations)
4. (I misfired twice on this before I got the actual match to start) 4. (kinda bad launch) GD, OS
5. GD, OS (several rotations)
Aquario Win Rate: 0%
Dragooon Win Rate: 100%
Just did 5 here and at 220. Again, matches didn't seem to be changing anytime soon.
1. (redone, bad launch) 1. GD, OS
2. (got a great stall on this one) GD, OS
3. GD, OS
4. (meh launch) GD, OS
5. (great stall) GD, OS
Aquario Win Rate: 0%
Dragooon Win Rate: 100%
1. I am either terrible at Tornado Stalling, or it's just hard to Tornado Stall with WSF. It's probably my launch, though.
2. Even on the times I managed to stall right, the matches ended the way they did throughout the whole testing session.
3. I understand this isn't a Zero-G Stadium I'm testing in, but let's face it: If Duo Aquario TH170WSF can't work well in a non-moving stadium with a coherent Tornado Ridge, I doubt it will work in a wobbling, spinning stadium. SKO wouldn't work either because DA is so light and spins right, not left.
4. "B: D has some stupid good balance in a MFB Attack Stadium, I'll tell ya what."
5. I didn't use MF-F/L because they are both heavier than a normal Face.
-GD stays in center, DA stalls for a while (if I launch well) or just slowly spirals in after being launched.
-GD would usually begin to slow down before DA had contact with GD.
-It would pretty much always look like GD would get outspun, but it would Spin-Equalize DA near the end of the match to win from just barely, to 3 or 4 rotations.
-Shame DA didn't work well here, it seemed to have okay potential.
Alrighty then, that's my testing!
TL;DR: Crab had trouble Tornado Stalling Duo Aquario TH170WSF, but even when it did, it was Spin-Equalized by Gargole Dragooon B: D EVERY TIME ON EACH MODE OF TH170. Tornado Stalling against Dragooon B: D is not going to work (at least in a BB-10).
Guys I hope you guys know this is strictly for Zero-G stadium only. Not BB-10's
(Nov. 16, 2012 10:31 PM)Stars Wrote: [ -> ]Guys I hope you guys know this is strictly for Zero-G stadium only. Not BB-10's
Yeah, I know. I was trying to explain to Mu how his combo would be ineffective, because if it can't work well in a BB-10, it will definitely not work in Zero-G (Tornado Staller vs. B: D).
Any tornado stallers won't work at all in bb-10 Dragoon B:D.....even in Zero-G
Could Someone Test
MF-L Phantom Aquario/Revizier Revizier/killerken killerken F230CF vs Dragooon Dragooon SA165EWD/B : D
(I Know This Combo isn't commonly Use,but I just want to know the Result)
Attack zero-g beystadium
Gryph gryph S130RF
revizer revizer D125RF
phoenic bahamdia (bahamdia on top) 105RF
MSF Saramanda Saramanda GB145RS
Hmm, maybe test DS in Zero G? Sway and Defense combined
Nope, Chuck Testa.
It behaves just like any other D-series Bottom when pinned against Zero-G Attack in a Zero-G Stadium. Plus, it has poorer Stamina than other more common and competitive D-series Bottoms such as WD.
can someone test phantom orion 230HF/S in zero-g attack type stadium?
the idea is,the combo has a really tall height,hence,the chances of it being knocked out through the pocket will be minute.
phantom is a top-tier stamina wheel and will help to OS
the HF/S gimmick will be a good thing to use.
testing to be done in HF though,i'll be interested to see the results
thanks for making the thread Stars
So the main thing if we were testing 230HF/S against sway attack either the gimmick is going to be useful or not but, 230? It would be better to uses more like E230 or some ZG track supports like ED145 with it free spin track
i don't have E230 but 230.you can test in E230 though...
It rather going to get tossed like a Rock Leone stock. I also no longer own HF/S
I'm going to update OP later for combos that are needed to be tested.
I will try get Dragoon and Revizer 2x done soon. But at the moment I do not own F230 but, there a thread that Ginga had up on Duo F230CF being able to beat Dragoon B: D
If someone can test my combo, MSF-H Goreim Reviser ch120 ES against any good zero g combos and tell me wat u used to beat it tht would be appreciated
U can test it in any stadium and the reason i wanted somebody to test it because I just wanted to c how good my combo really is
MSF-H Ifraid Bahamdia W145GF vs Sway Defense combos and regular defense combos. After getting my Samurai Pegasis and Gladiator Bahamdia I switched the Crystal Wheels around and found that Samurai didn't cover much contact points that could cause some smash if given enough weight. Since Samurai and Ifraid have the same shape, it would seem like the added weight would help with Swaying and KOing the opponent bey. W145 is primarily for Stamina purposes and gives a tall enough height for Bahamdia to make contact and not Ifraid and GF, in my opinion, has excellent sway while still keeping enough speed to push the foe out of the Stadium or better yet, KO it. Also, Attack Type Please.
Anyways, a crystal wheel is outclassed.
Secret B, the chrome wheels on a sway combo aren't that important since contact is barely made. They just need to be heavy.
What do you think for sway attack MSF Balro Bahamdia SP230GCF? for the standard process (agaisnt top tier at Zero G Attack Type Stadium) I think one or you can do it here!
I am putting Final Drive back up here because I really think it has the potential to be an awesome Balance bottom, with it having its automatic change and all. No formal tests are needed at first, but if it turns out pretty nicely, maybe it deserves its own testing thread
Izhkoort, it is an interesting request. I might experiment with it a bit, although it will most likely perform like all other sway combos- terrible against defense, great against right spin stamina.
Rush, I have actually tried F
a bit myself, and I really like it. It's kind of like an anti-attack bottom, only a little better because it can OS some defenders IIRC. Might make a thread for it soon.
Once I get it, I can do it. Anything particular you want it tested against?
(Jan. 16, 2013 2:46 AM)ShinobuXD Wrote: [ -> ]Izhkoort, it is an interesting request. I might experiment with it a bit, although it will most likely perform like all other sway combos- terrible against defense, great against right spin stamina.
Thanks, i know it should be terrible agaisnt defense, but it might be interesting, tell me your results when you can : D
(Jan. 16, 2013 2:46 AM)ShinobuXD Wrote: [ -> ]Izhkoort, it is an interesting request. I might experiment with it a bit, although it will most likely perform like all other sway combos- terrible against defense, great against right spin stamina.
Rush, I have actually tried F:D a bit myself, and I really like it. It's kind of like an anti-attack bottom, only a little better because it can OS some defenders IIRC. Might make a thread for it soon.
YEAHUH. Final Drive FTW!
Hmm, what did you put on top of F:D? A Synchrome, or Diablo? I am guessing Diablo, since it is great for Anti-Attack, and is heavy enough to sway even Synchromes.
This is sounding good... All the parts mentioned are ones that I have :)