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I THINK THAT PHANTOM HOROGIUM 230 WD IS BEST FOR STAMINA

If Duo F230CF/GCF is on the tier list LTSC Duo should too. LTSC Duo is only meant for countering left spin just like Duo F230CF/GCF is.

(Aug. 03, 2015  11:36 PM)UltimateOrion Wrote: [ -> ]If Duo F230CF/GCF is on the tier list LTSC Duo should too. LTSC Duo is only meant for countering left spin just like Duo F230CF/GCF is also only meant for countering left spin.

Those two combos are quite different though. F230 CF/GCF is aggressive while LTSC is not. The fact that it is aggressive enables it to KO a few things that it can't out spin. Also F230 has a nice height to it and personally I'd rather be taller than shorter compared to my opponent. Also you can use F230 CF/GCF like a tornado stalled some times. I honestly see more F230 CF/GCF having more utilities compared to LTSC that really only have one option to do in a game.

Just saying, against someone who as a little knowledge on launch techniques, Genbull^2 E230 MB gets utterly destroyed. But people don't know how to launch
As for LTSC Duo being put on the tier list, you should test against the rest of the meta and if it doesn't stand well, we can always make a new list titled "Counters." This will enable us to keep a record of which combos are more for countering rather than a safe/cognitive choice in a competitive situation.

: F230 GCF definitely has more utility than LTSC even if it is cancer for the game.

Also, Genbull Dragooon 85EWD completely destroys right and left spin F230 combinations in Standard format. Against right spins, it's way too short for the Metal wheels to touch so it stays underneath it and OS's it most times. Against Left spins, it basically always OS's, but there's the occasional KO from F230. I definitely think LTSC Dragooon deserves a top tier nod.

Yeah, like I said, if I had launched Genbull Dragooon properly the first 5 battles, it definitely would have won every single battle.

Hey guys we really need to get a tier list going for standard. It feel's like it's been ages since it has really been updated. Here was TheBlackDragon's Tier List that he created a few months ago.

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ATTACK

Wyvang

{MSF{-H}} Wyvang Wyvang (GB145/W145/H145) (R2F/RF/LRF)
{MSF{-H}} Wyvang Dragooon SA165[Zero-G Attack] (R2F/RF/LRF)

Balro

{MSF{-H}} Balro Balro (CH120/D125/T125/W145) (RF/R2F/LRF)

Bahamdia

{MSF-M/MSF-L} Bahamdia Dragooon BD145 (LRF/R2F/RF)

Flash

MF-H Flash (Orion/Escolpio/Pisces/Beelzeb) (GB145/H145/S130/CH120) (R2F/RF/LRF)

DEFENSE

Duo

MF-H Duo (Aquario/Cancer/Hades/Cygnus) BD145 RF

Revizer/Killerken

MSF-H (Revizer/Killerken) (Revizer/Killerken) BD145 RDF
MSF-H (Revizer/Killerken) Killerken BD145 RF
MSF-H Revizer (Revizer/Killerken) E230 (CS/RDF/RB)

Genbull

MSF-H Revizer Genbull E230 (CS/RDF/RB)
MSF-H (Revizer/Genbull) Genbull BD145 (RDF/RF)

STAMINA

Duo

Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) W145 (WD/EWD)
Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) (TH170/230) (D/SD/TB)
Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) SR200 TB
Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) BGrin
Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) 160 PD
Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) SA165[Normal] EWD
MF(-M/-H) Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) 230 MB

Genbull

Genbull Genbull (SR200/TH170) TB

Dragooon

{MSF{-H}} (Revizer/Genbull/Killerken/Girago) Dragooon SA165[Normal] EWD
{MSF-L} (Girago/Revizer/Killerken) Dragooon SA165[Zero-G Attack] EWD

BALANCE

(Girago/Genbull) Genbull E230 MB
Girago Girago E230 MB

MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang BD145 (RSF/RDF)
MF-L Phantom Cygnus 85 MF
(MSF-L) Balro Balro BD145MF
MF-H Flash (Orion/Escolpio/Pisces/Beelzeb) W145 MF

{MF{-L}} Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) F230* (CF/GCF)
{MSF{-L}} (Genbull/Girago/Revizer/Killerken) Dragooon F230* (CF/GCF)
{MSF{-L}} Genbull Genbull F230* (CF/GCF)

MF-H Diablo (Kerbecs/Unicorno II) BD145 RF
MSF-(H/L) Girago Girago BD145 RF
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145 RF

MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145 RDF
{MSF-H} (Revizer/Killerken) Dragooon SA165[Normal] RDF
Genbull Dragooon (T125/D125) GCF
(MSF-H) Genbull Genbull (TH120/SR200) CS

* F230 must be one of the orange TAKARA TOMY ones from ZGRBV3, not the brown or red ones.

Okay so what does everyone think about it in general? Does everyone want the "mobile defense" customs on there or not? Anything we should add?

I personally think LTSC Dragooon wouldn't be to bad on the list if everyone os alright with it. At first I was slightly skeptical about it, but after seeing some of you guy's tests it seemed quite impressive.

I think it's fine to have mobile Defense on there. also, I won't say my opinion on LTSC Dragooon since I haven't seen the testings yet.

Thanks you for posting this, TD.

(Aug. 29, 2015  12:05 AM)Thunder Dome Wrote: [ -> ]Hey guys we really need to get a tier list going for standard. It feel's like it's been ages since it has really been updated. Here was TheBlackDragon's Tier List that he created a few months ago.

Quote:

ATTACK

Wyvang

{MSF{-H}} Wyvang Wyvang (GB145/W145/H145) (R2F/RF/LRF)
{MSF{-H}} Wyvang Dragooon SA165[Zero-G Attack] (R2F/RF/LRF)

Balro

{MSF{-H}} Balro Balro (CH120/D125/T125/W145) (RF/R2F/LRF)

Bahamdia

{MSF-M/MSF-L} Bahamdia Dragooon BD145 (LRF/R2F/RF)

Flash

MF-H Flash (Orion/Escolpio/Pisces/Beelzeb) (GB145/H145/S130/CH120) (R2F/RF/LRF)

DEFENSE

Duo

MF-H Duo (Aquario/Cancer/Hades/Cygnus) BD145 RF

Revizer/Killerken

MSF-H (Revizer/Killerken) (Revizer/Killerken) BD145 RDF
MSF-H (Revizer/Killerken) Killerken BD145 RF
MSF-H Revizer (Revizer/Killerken) E230 (CS/RDF/RB)

Genbull

MSF-H Revizer Genbull E230 (CS/RDF/RB)
MSF-H (Revizer/Genbull) Genbull BD145 (RDF/RF)

STAMINA

Duo

Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) W145 (WD/EWD)
Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) (TH170/230) (D/SD/TB)
Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) SR200 TB
Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) BGrin
Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) 160 PD
Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) SA165[Normal] EWD
MF(-M/-H) Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) 230 MB

Genbull

Genbull Genbull (SR200/TH170) TB

Dragooon

{MSF{-H}} (Revizer/Genbull/Killerken/Girago) Dragooon SA165[Normal] EWD
{MSF-L} (Girago/Revizer/Killerken) Dragooon SA165[Zero-G Attack] EWD

BALANCE

(Girago/Genbull) Genbull E230 MB
Girago Girago E230 MB

MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang BD145 (RSF/RDF)
MF-L Phantom Cygnus 85 MF
(MSF-L) Balro Balro BD145MF
MF-H Flash (Orion/Escolpio/Pisces/Beelzeb) W145 MF

{MF{-L}} Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) F230* (CF/GCF)
{MSF{-L}} (Genbull/Girago/Revizer/Killerken) Dragooon F230* (CF/GCF)
{MSF{-L}} Genbull Genbull F230* (CF/GCF)

MF-H Diablo (Kerbecs/Unicorno II) BD145 RF
MSF-(H/L) Girago Girago BD145 RF
MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145 RF

MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145 RDF
{MSF-H} (Revizer/Killerken) Dragooon SA165[Normal] RDF
Genbull Dragooon (T125/D125) GCF
(MSF-H) Genbull Genbull (TH120/SR200) CS

* F230 must be one of the orange TAKARA TOMY ones from ZGRBV3, not the brown or red ones.

Okay so what does everyone think about it in general? Does everyone want the "mobile defense" customs on there or not? Anything we should add?

I personally think LTSC Dragooon wouldn't be to bad on the list if everyone os alright with it. At first I was slightly skeptical about it, but after seeing some of you guy's tests it seemed quite impressive.

I really think LTSC Dragoon and Mobile Defense should be on the tier list. LTSC Dragoon beats a lot and only loses to LTSC Duo, some Attack and 230 combos. The list looks good.

I'm not a big fan of the term "mobile defense". The name should really explain what the combination does, like sway/zero g attack in Zero G. The combination is mobile of course, but most defensive bottoms cause tgw bey to have some movment. Maybe something along the lines of aggressive defense or something of that sorts.

Okay so would you guys be up for taking RB/CS off of E230 defense? Those tips seem really lack luster to me and mobile defense is working out so much better for me right now. I just did a few tests to see if the results would turn out like I expected.

CS Wrote:Goreim Wyvang GB145 RF vs Revizer Killerken E230 CS
Wyvang: 17 (17 KO)
Killerken: 3 (3 OS)
Killerken win rate: 15%
Detailed Results

Spoiler (Click to View)

1. Wyvang KO
2. Wyvang KO
3. Wyvang KO
4. Wyvang KO
5. Wyvang KO
6. Wyvang KO
7. Wyvang KO
8. Wyvang KO
9. Wyvang KO
10. Wyvang KO
11. Killerken OS
12. Wyvang KO
13. Killerken OS
14. Wyvang KO
15. Wyvang KO
16. Wyvang KO
17. Wyvang KO
18. Wyvang KO
19. Killerken OS
20. Wyvang KO

This doesn't seem to be a top tier defense type at all does it. It's wins were all from ridiculous amounts of wall saves. Every other time Wyvang just completely destroyed it.

RB Wrote:Goreim Wyvang GB145 RF vs Revizer Killerken E230 RB
Wyvang: 14 (14 KO)
Killerken: 6 (6 OS)
Killerken win rate: 30%
Detailed Results

Spoiler (Click to View)

1. Wyvang KO
2. Wyvang KO
3. Wyvang KO
4. Wyvang KO
5. Killerken OS
6. Wyvang KO
7. Wyvang KO
8. Wyvang KO
9. Wyvang KO
10. Killerken OS
11. Wyvang KO
12. Wyvang KO
13. Killerken OS
14. Wyvang KO
15. Killerken OS
16. Killerken OS
17. Wyvang KO
18. Killerken OS
19. Wyvang KO
20. Wyvang KO

Well it did put up a bit better fight than CS I guess, but is this what you want when you think top tier defense combo? 30% against the type its suppose to have a favorable match up against. I don't like that one bit my self.

RF Wrote:Goreim Wyvang GB145 RF vs Revizer Killerken E230 RF
Wyvang: 4 (4 KO)
Killerken: 16 (16 OS)
Killerken win rate: 80%
Detailed Results

Spoiler (Click to View)

1. Killerken OS
2. Killerken OS
3. Killerken OS
4. Killerken OS
5. Killerken OS
6. Wyvang KO
8. Killerken OS
9. Killerken OS
10. Killerken OS
11. Wyvang KO
12. Killerken OS
13. Killerken OS
14. Killerken OS
15. Killerken OS
16. Killerken OS
17. Killerken OS
18. Killerken OS
19. Wyvang KO
20. Wyvang KO

Now this is a defense type! Wyvang didn't have to many chances to get a clean hit on it and E230 RF would just end up out spinning most of the time.

Also here are some more tests of Revizer Killerken E230 RF from Mitsu. Definitely check that out.

So in my opinion I think we should take RB and CS off E230 defense and add RF to E230 defense. What do you guys think about that idea?

(Aug. 30, 2015  4:27 PM)Thunder Dome Wrote: [ -> ]Okay so would you guys be up for taking RB/CS off of E230 defense? Those tips seem really lack luster to me and mobile defense is working out so much better for me right now. I just did a few tests to see if the results would turn out like I expected.

CS Wrote:Goreim Wyvang GB145 RF vs Revizer Killerken E230 CS
Wyvang: 17 (17 KO)
Killerken: 3 (3 OS)
Killerken win rate: 15%
Detailed Results

Spoiler (Click to View)

1. Wyvang KO
2. Wyvang KO
3. Wyvang KO
4. Wyvang KO
5. Wyvang KO
6. Wyvang KO
7. Wyvang KO
8. Wyvang KO
9. Wyvang KO
10. Wyvang KO
11. Killerken OS
12. Wyvang KO
13. Killerken OS
14. Wyvang KO
15. Wyvang KO
16. Wyvang KO
17. Wyvang KO
18. Wyvang KO
19. Killerken OS
20. Wyvang KO

This doesn't seem to be a top tier defense type at all does it. It's wins were all from ridiculous amounts of wall saves. Every other time Wyvang just completely destroyed it.

RB Wrote:Goreim Wyvang GB145 RF vs Revizer Killerken E230 RB
Wyvang: 14 (14 KO)
Killerken: 6 (6 OS)
Killerken win rate: 30%
Detailed Results

Spoiler (Click to View)

1. Wyvang KO
2. Wyvang KO
3. Wyvang KO
4. Wyvang KO
5. Killerken OS
6. Wyvang KO
7. Wyvang KO
8. Wyvang KO
9. Wyvang KO
10. Killerken OS
11. Wyvang KO
12. Wyvang KO
13. Killerken OS
14. Wyvang KO
15. Killerken OS
16. Killerken OS
17. Wyvang KO
18. Killerken OS
19. Wyvang KO
20. Wyvang KO

Well it did put up a bit better fight than CS I guess, but is this what you want when you think top tier defense combo? 30% against the type its suppose to have a favorable match up against. I don't like that one bit my self.

RF Wrote:Goreim Wyvang GB145 RF vs Revizer Killerken E230 RF
Wyvang: 4 (4 KO)
Killerken: 16 (16 OS)
Killerken win rate: 80%
Detailed Results

Spoiler (Click to View)

1. Killerken OS
2. Killerken OS
3. Killerken OS
4. Killerken OS
5. Killerken OS
6. Wyvang KO
8. Killerken OS
9. Killerken OS
10. Killerken OS
11. Wyvang KO
12. Killerken OS
13. Killerken OS
14. Killerken OS
15. Killerken OS
16. Killerken OS
17. Killerken OS
18. Killerken OS
19. Wyvang KO
20. Wyvang KO

Now this is a defense type! Wyvang didn't have to many chances to get a clean hit on it and E230 RF would just end up out spinning most of the time.

Also here are some more tests of Revizer Killerken E230 RF from Mitsu. Definitely check that out.

So in my opinion I think we should take RB and CS off E230 defense and add RF to E230 defense. What do you guys think about that idea?

I'm up for it. Those E230RF results are way better than RB and CS on E230. Thanks for these tests.

Not too sure, I've had quite a lot of success in the past with E230RB defense, especially against Flash. That RF combo technically counts as an Anti-Attacker by the way. It's weird that the Reviser Killerken E230RB combo did as bad as it did, that's crazy to me. Thunder Dome, could you get some tests against the RF/RB/CS defense customs against Flash? Thanks for all the tests! Hopefully we can get some kind of update on the Standard tier list soon.

There needs to be a discussion on the extreme abilities that (MSF-L) Wyvang/Wyvang/Dragooon BD145RDF has. It's way too good, there aren't many counters to it, I'll get test results up. From tournament use we haven't found anything consistent enough to beat it. It's a beast.

(Aug. 31, 2015  1:18 AM)LMAO Wrote: [ -> ]Not too sure, I've had quite a lot of success in the past with E230RB defense, especially against Flash. That RF combo technically counts as an Anti-Attacker by the way. It's weird that the Reviser Killerken E230RB combo did as bad as it did, that's crazy to me. Thunder Dome, could you get some tests against the RF/RB/CS defense customs against Flash? Thanks for all the tests! Hopefully we can get some kind of update on the Standard tier list soon.

There needs to be a discussion on the extreme abilities that (MSF-L) Wyvang/Wyvang/Dragooon BD145RDF has. It's way too good, there aren't many counters to it, I'll get test results up. From tournament use we haven't found anything consistent enough to beat it. It's a beast.

I hate being picky with terms but Revizer Killerken E230 RF definitely fits the terms of "mobile defense" over being anti-attack. If I can figure out how to fix my string launcher I would love to do some tests with Flash, but as of right now it might be a little while sorry.

Also there is a thread for Wyvang Wyvang BD145 RDF if that's what you were asking. It's right here.

(Aug. 31, 2015  1:23 AM)Thunder Dome Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 31, 2015  1:18 AM)LMAO Wrote: [ -> ]Not too sure, I've had quite a lot of success in the past with E230RB defense, especially against Flash. That RF combo technically counts as an Anti-Attacker by the way. It's weird that the Reviser Killerken E230RB combo did as bad as it did, that's crazy to me. Thunder Dome, could you get some tests against the RF/RB/CS defense customs against Flash? Thanks for all the tests! Hopefully we can get some kind of update on the Standard tier list soon.

There needs to be a discussion on the extreme abilities that (MSF-L) Wyvang/Wyvang/Dragooon BD145RDF has. It's way too good, there aren't many counters to it, I'll get test results up. From tournament use we haven't found anything consistent enough to beat it. It's a beast.

I hate being picky with terms but Revizer Killerken E230 RF definitely fits the terms of "mobile defense" over being anti-attack. If I can figure out how to fix my string launcher I would love to do some tests with Flash, but as of right now it might be a little while sorry.

Also there is a thread for Wyvang Wyvang BD145 RDF if that's what you were asking. It's right here.

That's fine, I'll do a few tests of my own and I'll report back to this thread on what I've tested.

I know that thread exists, I meant a discussion on the possibility of banning it. From what I've seen the only thing that can beat it is F230CF or LTSC's.

(Aug. 31, 2015  1:28 AM)LMAO Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 31, 2015  1:23 AM)Thunder Dome Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 31, 2015  1:18 AM)LMAO Wrote: [ -> ]Not too sure, I've had quite a lot of success in the past with E230RB defense, especially against Flash. That RF combo technically counts as an Anti-Attacker by the way. It's weird that the Reviser Killerken E230RB combo did as bad as it did, that's crazy to me. Thunder Dome, could you get some tests against the RF/RB/CS defense customs against Flash? Thanks for all the tests! Hopefully we can get some kind of update on the Standard tier list soon.

There needs to be a discussion on the extreme abilities that (MSF-L) Wyvang/Wyvang/Dragooon BD145RDF has. It's way too good, there aren't many counters to it, I'll get test results up. From tournament use we haven't found anything consistent enough to beat it. It's a beast.

I hate being picky with terms but Revizer Killerken E230 RF definitely fits the terms of "mobile defense" over being anti-attack. If I can figure out how to fix my string launcher I would love to do some tests with Flash, but as of right now it might be a little while sorry.

Also there is a thread for Wyvang Wyvang BD145 RDF if that's what you were asking. It's right here.

That's fine, I'll do a few tests of my own and I'll report back to this thread on what I've tested.

I know that thread exists, I meant a discussion on the possibility of banning it. From what I've seen the only thing that can beat it is F230CF or LTSC's.

E230 wins against it. If you launch hard enough its able to KO F230CF.

As much as I like E230RF and how it performs against right-spin attack, it has very little versatility and can really seem to do well against them. Not stamina, not stationary defense, not left-spin attack. Great defense, but I'm still very unsure about it being on the tier-list.

LMAO Wrote:That RF combo technically counts as an Anti-Attacker by the way.

It's still defense, dude. Aggressive, but still defense. It is very incapable of knocking out stamina (as I saw today with Hato and pryus10000) with no smash and little metal-on-metal contact, so it wouldn't classify it as anti-attack.

edit: ugh, stop it thunder dome

(Aug. 31, 2015  1:28 AM)LMAO Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 31, 2015  1:23 AM)Thunder Dome Wrote: [ -> ]

(Aug. 31, 2015  1:18 AM)LMAO Wrote: [ -> ]Not too sure, I've had quite a lot of success in the past with E230RB defense, especially against Flash. That RF combo technically counts as an Anti-Attacker by the way. It's weird that the Reviser Killerken E230RB combo did as bad as it did, that's crazy to me. Thunder Dome, could you get some tests against the RF/RB/CS defense customs against Flash? Thanks for all the tests! Hopefully we can get some kind of update on the Standard tier list soon.

There needs to be a discussion on the extreme abilities that (MSF-L) Wyvang/Wyvang/Dragooon BD145RDF has. It's way too good, there aren't many counters to it, I'll get test results up. From tournament use we haven't found anything consistent enough to beat it. It's a beast.

I hate being picky with terms but Revizer Killerken E230 RF definitely fits the terms of "mobile defense" over being anti-attack. If I can figure out how to fix my string launcher I would love to do some tests with Flash, but as of right now it might be a little while sorry.

Also there is a thread for Wyvang Wyvang BD145 RDF if that's what you were asking. It's right here.

That's fine, I'll do a few tests of my own and I'll report back to this thread on what I've tested.

I know that thread exists, I meant a discussion on the possibility of banning it. From what I've seen the only thing that can beat it is F230CF or LTSC's.

Cool thanks a lot man.

Oh my bad I completely read that part of your post wrong. Yes it is pretty good but I don't think it currently deserves to banned. I feel there is enough combos that can defeat it currently that it doesn't warrant a ban. I think Duo 230 MB actually creams it (if you MB is aggro enough), but I'm basing that off a tournament match and not really any tests.

Don't know if it should just replace the others on the tier list, that's why I was a little concerned. I doubt it would be able to OS any right spin Stamina customs, whereas RB would be able to especially with E230. It would work in a way like the Girago Genbull E230MB combo.

Yes, it is Defense, but it literally is only good at beating attackers. It has characteristics of both a Anti-attacker as well as a Defense type.

Still don't know how I feel about the Duo ____ SR200TB combination. I actually helped get that on the tier list, but in todays metagame it wouldn't stand a chance. With Dragooon RDF running around everywhere and EWD/WD able to OS it, I feel as if it should be removed from the Stamina combinations. Anyone else agree?

EDIT: Thunder Dome, Duo 230MB would probably lose to it, especially with an aggro RDF, it would push MB to the middle then ultimately OS it. I'll get some tests on that as well.

(Aug. 31, 2015  1:37 AM)LMAO Wrote: [ -> ]Don't know if it should just replace the others on the tier list, that's why I was a little concerned. I doubt it would be able to OS any right spin Stamina customs, whereas RB would be able to especially with E230. It would work in a way like the Girago Genbull E230MB combo.

Yes, it is Defense, but it literally is only good at beating attackers. It has characteristics of both a Anti-attacker as well as a Defense type.

Still don't know how I feel about the Duo ____ SR200TB combination. I actually helped get that on the tier list, but in todays metagame it wouldn't stand a chance. With Dragooon RDF running around everywhere and EWD/WD able to OS it, I feel as if it should be removed from the Stamina combinations. Anyone else agree?

Does RB really out spin right spin stamina for you? I've never has that success with rubber tips on E230 personally.

I'm not sure where you are getting the idea that it is anti-attack. Anti-Attack is a balance combo that is a combination of attack and defense. Mobile defense is pure defense utilizing a mobile tip like RF. You won't KO anything with Revizer Killerken E230 RF so it really shouldn't be classified as anti-attack.

I think it's alright. If other 230 balance remains it probably should to, but honestly the argument could go either way. I really feel it depends on your meta because it can still beat a decent amount of right spin.

In certain cases, yeah it can if you launch hard enough as well as straight launch in the middle. It should work like the Girago Genbull combination I mentioned.

There's a reason I said characteristics of both lol

Still not too sure about it, I would test them but all 3 of my TB's are considerably worn. If someone else can get some tests up with Duo ____ SR200TB it would be helpful. Let's try to finalize the Standard combinations everyone!

(Aug. 31, 2015  1:48 AM)LMAO Wrote: [ -> ]In certain cases, yeah it can if you launch hard enough as well as straight launch in the middle. It should work like the Girago Genbull combination I mentioned.

There's a reason I said characteristics of both lol

Still not too sure about it, I would test them but all 3 of my TB's are considerably worn. If someone else can get some tests up with Duo ____ SR200TB it would be helpful. Let's try to finalize the Standard combinations everyone!

What do you want me to test against?

LMAO Wrote:In certain cases, yeah it can if you launch hard enough as well as straight launch in the middle. It should work like the Girago Genbull combination I mentioned.

You're not going to rely on it to get KO's as much as you are defend, though.

@[UltimateOrion] Tests against other top tier Stamina combinations. Left spin isn't needed because TB doesn't do well at all against Dragooon.

@[Mitsu] I meant against Stamina customs with Revizer Killerken E230RB, it won't get KO's that's for sure, but it can OS.

woops.

Sorry about that; didn't know if you were still talking about E230RF. :p

on duo SR200 i used D. personaly I don't love TB so much. I most try it to see if its better then D.