People, I have a doubt. Would using a Left spin launch on a right spin bey be considered illegal?
Because I regularly use an Earth Leone R145 WD in matches with a Left spin string launcher, and its almost impossible to beat. Its defense is excellent, and I've beaten Right spinning Phantom Orion B: Ds countless times with it, because its brilliant at spin equalizing. Low attack beys are also useless because of R145. I know its not perfect, but I was making do with what I had.
For doubts like yours, the WBO has a thread called Ask a Question, Get an Answer #2. It is illegal to do that and I am pretty sure you cannot OS Phantom B
with Earth R145WD because of the rubber of R145
(May. 16, 2014 5:06 PM)mkarthick Wrote: [ -> ]People, I have a doubt. Would using a Left spin launch on a right spin bey be considered illegal?
Because I regularly use an Earth Leone R145 WD in matches with a Left spin string launcher, and its almost impossible to beat. Its defense is excellent, and I've beaten Right spinning Phantom Orion B: Ds countless times with it, because its brilliant at spin equalizing. Low attack beys are also useless because of R145. I know its not perfect, but I was making do with what I had.
If your parts are official and not fake, you are not even supposed to be able to insert the prongs of a left-spin launcher inside Earth Leone ... I have a huge doubt that you do not own real parts.
Actually... One of my left-spin launchers can launch right spin Beyblades. I know it was Hasbro because I got it from Asda. But most of the time, it probably will be fake.
(May. 16, 2014 5:19 PM)Kai-V Wrote: [ -> ] (May. 16, 2014 5:06 PM)mkarthick Wrote: [ -> ]People, I have a doubt. Would using a Left spin launch on a right spin bey be considered illegal?
Because I regularly use an Earth Leone R145 WD in matches with a Left spin string launcher, and its almost impossible to beat. Its defense is excellent, and I've beaten Right spinning Phantom Orion B: Ds countless times with it, because its brilliant at spin equalizing. Low attack beys are also useless because of R145. I know its not perfect, but I was making do with what I had.
If your parts are official and not fake, you are not even supposed to be able to insert the prongs of a left-spin launcher inside Earth Leone ... I have a huge doubt that you do not own real parts.
Probably he would hold the Bey to the launcher's prongs by holding they Bey on the stadium floor.....
No, I have a Left spin string launcher that I got with a TT Meteo L-Drago. Its pretty old (around 3 years) , and the prongs are quite rough, so I can actually launch some Right spin beys without them falling of the launcher. And all of the parts of the bey are from Hasbro beys(Earth Eagle, Rock Zurafa).
In any case, it's still illegal for WBO tournament play and testing here on the WBO. For two reasons actually, since the launcher is worn so much, it can't be used, and the Beyblade isn't spinning the correct direction.
(May. 16, 2014 5:57 PM)mkarthick Wrote: [ -> ]No, I have a Left spin string launcher that I got with a TT Meteo L-Drago. Its pretty old (around 3 years) , and the prongs are quite rough, so I can actually launch some Right spin beys without them falling of the launcher.
I started buying Beyblades from the Metal Fight Beyblade series ever since the beginning, in 2008, so some of my items are much older than yours. Whatever happened with your Beylauncher L with time, it is illegal now : you are definitely not supposed to be able to attach it to right-spin parts, because there are physical barriers built into each part to make sure that does not happen.
Interestingly enough, at the VA qualifier, I can't remember who (maybe ragerblade's dad/little brother?), but he was able to successfully launch earth in left spin with all legal parts
Hey, this list must be published soon.
Why no LRF for Rspin ATK?
Wow guys. Still no update? Can't stop by for long, but it'd be nice if this subject could see a bit of consideration ASAP. Hopefully after this weekend people won't be so busy, and maybe some of the higher-ups can take a look-see at what we've got.
I agree with TBD, even though it is kinda late to post this. We haven't updated the tier list for a while now and combos like Duo 230TB and Phantom SR200TB have arisen. I wish there was a Tournament report thread for STD. I hope this thread gets updated and starts to get active again!
(May. 20, 2014 10:46 PM)TheBlackDragon Wrote: [ -> ]Wow guys. Still no update? Can't stop by for long, but it'd be nice if this subject could see a bit of consideration ASAP. Hopefully after this weekend people won't be so busy, and maybe some of the higher-ups can take a look-see at what we've got.
I have a new draft almost ready to go. Will n try to post tonight or tomorrow.
Same here... it will bposted on weekend.
Hey guys, post your final list here whenever you get a chance and I'll take a look at it, make any necessary modifications (which you guys can of course object to afterwards if you disagree), and then update the in the official threads. It is indeed long overdue.
TheBlackDragon Wrote:ATTACK
Wyvang
- {MSF{-H}} Wyvang Wyvang (GB145/W145/H145) (R2F/RF)
- {MSF{-H}} Wyvang Dragooon SA165[Zero-G Attack] (R2F/RF/LRF)
Balro
- {MSF{-H}} Balro Balro (CH120/D125/T125/W145) (RF/R2F)
Bahamdia
- {MSF-M/MSF-L} Bahamdia Dragooon BD145 (LRF/R2F/RF)
Flash
- MF-H Flash (Orion/Escolpio/Pisces/Beelzeb) (GB145/H145/S130/CH120) (R2F/RF)
- MF-H Flash (Orion/Escolpio/Pisces/Beelzeb) W145 MF
DEFENSE
Duo
- MF-H Duo (Aquario/Cancer/Hades/Cygnus) BD145 (RDF/RB)
- MF-H Duo (Aquario/Cancer/Hades/Cygnus) E230 (RDF/RSF/RB/CS)
Revizer/Killerken
- MSF-H (Revizer/Killerken) (Revizer/Killerken) BD145 (RDF/RB/CS/RSF)
- MSF-H Revizer (Revizer/Killerken) E230 (RDF/RSF/CS/RB)
Genbull
- MSF-H Revizer Genbull E230 (RDF/RB/RSF/CS)
- MSF-H (Revizer/Genbull) Genbull BD145 (RDF/RB/RSF)
STAMINA
Duo
- Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) W145 (WD/EWD)
- Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) (TH170/230) (D/SD/TB)
- Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) SR200 TB
- Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) B:D
- Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) 160 PD
- Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) SA165[Normal] EWD
- MF(-M/-H) Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) 230 MB
Genbull
- Genbull Genbull SR200 (TB/CS)
- Genbull Genbull TH170 (TB/CS)
Dragooon
- {MSF{-H}} (Revizer/Genbull/Killerken/Girago) Dragooon SA165[Normal] EWD
- MSF-L Girago Dragooon SA165[Zero-G Attack] EWD
BALANCE
- (Girago/Genbull) Genbull E230 MB
- Girago Girago E230 MB
- MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang BD145 RSF
- MF-L Phantom Cygnus 85 MF
- MSF-H Gryph Gryph E230 BSF
- {MF{-L}} Duo (Cancer/Cygnus/Hades) F230* (CF/GCF)
- {MSF{-L}} (Genbull/Girago/Revizer/Killerken) Dragooon F230* (CF/GCF)
- {MSF{-L}} Genbull Genbull F230* (CF/GCF)
- MF-H Diablo (Kerbecs/Unicorn II) BD145 RF
- MSF-(H/L) Girago Girago BD145 RF
- MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145 RF
- MSF-H Wyvang Dragooon BD145 RDF
- {MSF-H} (Revizer/Killerken) Dragooon SA165[Normal] RDF
- Genbull Dragooon T125 GCF
* F230 must be one of the orange ones from ZGRBV3, not the brown or red ones.
Didn't have much time to make little changes, but that's my general opinion on what would be good.
I feel Gryph^2 is uneeded and Bahamida Dragoon shouldn't have RF.
Wheres Phantom stamina?
160PD = meh.
(Jun. 07, 2014 4:23 AM)AZL Wrote: [ -> ]I feel Gryph^2 is uneeded and Bahamida Dragoon shouldn't have RF.
Wheres Phantom stamina?
160PD = meh.
Through tournament use, Phantom pails in comparison IMO, it's still a good wheel, but not as good. I personally don't think Gryph Gryh E230BSF is viable too IMO.
I would probably add D125 to the Genbull Dragooon T125GCF combination, just to highlight that T125 is not magical or something and that it is the specific height and slight weight increase that is important. Otherwise, I can agree with that list overall, just by the way.
(Jun. 07, 2014 4:48 AM)Kai-V Wrote: [ -> ]I would probably add D125 to the Genbull Dragooon T125GCF combination, just to highlight that T125 is not magical or something and that it is the specific height and slight weight increase that is important. Otherwise, I can agree with that list overall, just by the way.
That is almost the complete list I had ready to post. Im all in favor of this list personally.
I've never seen the Gryph custom used in tournaments and I can't remember it ever showing up on the winning combinations thread either.
H145 should probably be added to MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang BD145RSF, and on the Genbull Genbull Stamina I think CS should be removed, or the Genbull combos should go under Balance because CS is more of a defensive tip.
I know I've been on about this for a long time, but SD needs to go from Duo TH170/230. Testing has shown that D performs better than SD at tall heights; in fact, basically there is always a better D choice for whatever height you're using (I notice it's gone from 145 height at least). In a similar vein, shouldn't CF also be removed from the F230 combos too? I'm pretty sure testing has shown GCF was strictly better on F230 because of the teeth and wider surface area.
I haven't been in on this in a while, so I may seem a little dumb to you guys. What happened to BWD on Duo? Was it not accepted because of its severe cause of unbalance?
(Jun. 07, 2014 5:47 PM)RagerBlade Wrote: [ -> ]I haven't been in on this in a while, so I may seem a little dumb to you guys. What happened to BWD on Duo? Was it not accepted because of its severe cause of unbalance?
Generally, WD and EWD perform a bit better than BWD, but however I don't recall them ever used together in the first place.
(Jun. 07, 2014 6:15 PM)TheWhiteTiger Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun. 07, 2014 5:47 PM)RagerBlade Wrote: [ -> ]I haven't been in on this in a while, so I may seem a little dumb to you guys. What happened to BWD on Duo? Was it not accepted because of its severe cause of unbalance?
Generally, WD and EWD perform a bit better than BWD, but however I don't recall them ever used together in the first place.
What do you mean by "I don't recall them ever used together in the first place"? Do you mean you don't remember BWD on the Top Tier list?
(Jun. 07, 2014 6:19 PM)RagerBlade Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun. 07, 2014 6:15 PM)TheWhiteTiger Wrote: [ -> ] (Jun. 07, 2014 5:47 PM)RagerBlade Wrote: [ -> ]I haven't been in on this in a while, so I may seem a little dumb to you guys. What happened to BWD on Duo? Was it not accepted because of its severe cause of unbalance?
Generally, WD and EWD perform a bit better than BWD, but however I don't recall them ever used together in the first place.
What do you mean by "I don't recall them ever used together in the first place"? Do you mean you don't remember BWD on the Top Tier list?
I know the combo BillyBlast used to win Colosseum was MF-something Duo Bull W145BWD, and I know it was at least considered for the list for a while, but that's the only time I've seen someone use it in real life.