Hmm... perhaps MSF-H Phoenic Phoenic S130 R2F?
It also has use in a more recently tested custom: MSF-H Phoenic Balro TR145 MF. KainHighwind tested this and really likes it.
I think it should mention phoenic has been released in a sonokong starter pack for those who don't know
Sure, I suppose we could mention that, but here is the most important part, and I have added descriptions for suggested combinations. All that is missing now is suggestions for Phoenic, but I wonder if it is really worth it when it is not really considered for the top-tier list ... I also elaborated the GCF description, because it did not highlight nearly enough how essential GCF was for Zero-G Attack.
Quote:Stone Face: Phoenic
Weight: 1.2 grams
The black Stone Face depicts a stylized form of the Phoenix, a mythical creature in line with the theme of Zero-G. It is the first commercially available Stone Face in the Zero-G series to have its creature symbol printed on as opposed to only a sticker.
Chrome Wheel: Phoenic
Weight: 29.8 grams
The Phoenic Chrome Wheel has three wings formed of big, smoothed feathers pointing towards the left, therefore contrary to its spin direction. Engraved talons appear to clutch the orb from the Crystal Wheel that protrudes through Phoenic, while the heads of the two other wings represent the beaks of birds. The relief on this Chrome Wheel isn't overly complicated: in fact, its sides are mostly vertical, straight continuations of the feathers on the top, creating a jagged pattern meant for Attack.
Phoenic provides a lot of contact points and great Smash Attack potential because of its protrusions, but, by itself, it is arguably too light to be competitive. When paired with the Thief Crystal Wheel, all of Phoenic's contact points are exposed fully but only combine for a total weight of 35.1 grams, which is a disadvantage when compared to top-tier Attack Metal Wheels such as Flash (45.6 grams) and Blitz (43.72 grams).
When used as the top Chrome Wheel of a Synchrom:
Phoenic's many well defined contact points can add Smash Attack to any Synchrom. However, these contact points are easily covered by most other Chrome Wheels which reduces the chance that these points can connect with an opponent that is at a similar height as Phoenic. Because of this, it is important to strategically pick a Track that places Phoenic as the main contact point for your opponent. Even though they do not fully expose Phoenic's protrusions, the Chrome Wheels that expose them the best are, in order of most to least exposure, Balro, Gryph, and Dragooon.
When used as the bottom Chrome Wheel of a Synchrom:
Again, Phoenic will still provide amazing Smash if it is the main contact point for your opponent. It also performs great Force Smash, especially after some of its side contact points start turning up from wear. As a side note, there is a small synergy that E230, in its normal mode, has with Phoenic when it is on the bottom of a Synchrom that helps counter the problem of Phoenic’s contact points being so easily covered. In an aggressive Wobbler setup, E230’s disk will sometimes scoop the opponent up into Phoenic, which will actually "pinch" the opponent. Even though this is technically a Force Smash, because it gets squeezed between Phoenic and the disk, the opponent is sent horizontally outwards.
When in Synchrom with Itself:
When put into Synchrom with another Phoenic Chrome Wheel, it will create Phoenic's aggressive patterns but in opposite directions. Even though most of the large protrusions become covered up, it will expose tiny contact points that create impressive Smash Attack when delivered with its combined weight of nearly 60 grams.However, these small contact points wear down considerably fast because it absorbs the brunt of the impact as opposed to the larger feather protrusions. It is currently the most aggressively designed Chrome Wheel, being less circular than most other Chrome Wheels. Phoenic Phoenic is currently one of the best pure Attack Synchroms in the Zero-G series, displaying powerful Smash Attack comparable to top-tier Attack Metal Wheels. This Synchrom's superior weight also lends it an advantage in head-to-head match-ups against other non-Zero-G Attack Metal Wheels.
Crystal Wheel: Thief
Weight: 5.3 grams
Thief is shaped in an odd way with some longer parts but also numerous angular protrusions and appears to complement Phoenic best among other Crystal Wheels. It has the fire element symbol on it and is colored yellow in its release with Thief Phoenic E230GCF. A red version of Thief comes with Thief Saramanda 230WB. As with most Crystal Wheels, Thief is an inferior partner for any Chrome Wheel due to its weight. Although its shape best reveals all of Phoenic's smash points, it should not be used competitively, even with Phoenic.
Track: Elevator 230
Weight: 7.4 grams
E230 is a mechanical upgrade to the regular 230 Track. Its core is modified to accomodate, along its whole height, the ascent and descent of a free-moving disk, hence the term "elevator". This disk however does not freely-rotate around the Track like ED145, and its vertical position cannot be fixed. E230 works almost essentially for the Zero-G Stadiums, because its gimmick requires a lot of movements up and down to function well. As the Beyblade comes down, E230 comes in contact with the sides of the stadium, and this contact is maintained all the way to the bottom, which theoretically allows the combination to keep its balance despite the erratic movements of the Zero-G Stadiums. This allows it to stumble over even less, which is useful since it isn't a rare occurence in those stadiums.
E230's disk can legally but secretly be flipped over to create a sort of "Boost Mode" similar to BD145. The disk can be placed in such a way that it either lies fairly low on the Track, or slightly elevated around the middle. In the latter configuration, the disk moves up and down much less than in the former. When used in a non-Zero-G environment, E230's disk provides additional defense compared to a 230 Track. Its wide diameter, equivalent to BD145's disk, can absorb hits from low- to mid-height attackers. Despite this, it is not a direct upgrade to 230 in Stamina combos because it performs significantly different aerodynamically and balance-wise. It is considered to be a top-tier Defense Track because of its height and the defensive nature of the disk, which can deflect attacks that normal 230 Tracks cannot.
IMPORTANT: Hasbro's iteration of E230 has shown to have a disk that moves up and down considerably less smoothly than SonoKong and TAKARA-TOMY's versions. This can affect performance, notably by providing delayed defensive properties as well as destabilizing the Beyblade.
Use in Defense Customization
The E230 Track has found use both in traditional Defense and in Zero-G Defense by countering the Zero-G Attack's sway. It is solid enough to defend well against most heights without being destabilised, like in the combination '''MSF-H Revizer Revizer E230RS/RB''' or with the Bottoms BSF/MB/TB/RSF/RS for Zero-G Defense.
Bottom: Gear Circle Flat
Weight: 2.5 grams
As an upgraded version of Circle Flat, GCF is a Flat Bottom with a slightly larger tip, mounted by a huge disk. Instead of its circumference being smooth like CF, the edges of the disk have ridges that evoke the feel of a mechanical gear. This gimmick is meant to embrace the curve of the Zero-G stadiums and also create less smooth movement patterns around the stadium for the Beyblade using GCF. The flat portion of the tip is wide, comparable to an XF, providing extremely fast and aggressive movement. GCF creates significant floor scrape regardless of stadium used. In a Zero-G stadium, the wide disk of GCF helps to keep the Beyblade upright, and reduce the instance of exiting through a pocket, making it a superior choice for tip compared to other Flat bottoms.
Use in Zero-G Attack Customization
GCF is essential, like CF, to create the swaying gimmick known as Zero-G Attack. Its wide disk reaches out to the stadium curve and, paired with a lot of weight, it pushes the Zero-G Stadium towards it, destabilizing the opponent to the point where it can be knocked out completely without even being touched. It can therefore be used effectively in the combination '''MSF/MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang E230/SA165/SP230 GCF'''.
Other Versions
Thief Phoenic E230GCF - SonoKong Starter
Thief Saramanda 230WB - BBG-09 Random Booster Vol. 1 Thief Phoenic E230GCF (Clear red Thief)
Samurai Saramanda E230ES - BBG-09 Random Booster Vol. 1 Thief Phoenic E230GCF (Clear red E230)
Pirates Ifraid T125GCF - BBG-09 Random Booster Vol. 1 Thief Phoenic E230GCF (Clear red GCF)
WBBA Limited Thief Phoenic Flame ver. - World Hobby Fair Summer 2012 battle point redemption prize (Red)
Pirates Phoenic WD145SF - BBG-23 Random Booster Vol. 3 Bandid Genbull F230TB (Blue and yellow stickers)
Archer Phoenic 125B - BBG-23 Random Booster Vol. 3 Bandid Genbull F230TB (Pink and Yellow stickers)
Thief Phoenix E230GCF - Hasbro Starter (Orange Phoenic, clear red Thief, E230 and GCF)
Overall
Phoenic is an excellent way to add a good amount of Attack to any Synchrom, assuming that its contact points are able to connect with the opponent. E230 is a top-tier Track for Defense, and GCF is furthermore considered one of the best tips for Zero-G Attack. Aside from its negligible Crystal Wheel and light Stone Face, Thief Phoenic E230GCF is composed of excellent parts that can be used in various combos in both BB-10 and Zero-G environments. All serious competitive players should own this Beyblade.
I believe it should be added that Hasbro's E230 seems to not move up and down as easily as the Takara one.
Its probably true, but it could be its just your E230, can someone else confirm that statement if their hasbro E230 does the same thing?
Many people in either the Beyblade Random Thoughts topic or the General Hasbro topic has reported the same thing, although I would wait to hear what a few more people that purchase it have to say. I mean, it doesn't necicarily mean that all are like that even though a few cases have been reported. My hopes aren't high that its just a few, haha. Then again, I think someone did say that it performed slightly better in informal testing, I just don't remember where I read the post.
Also for other versions, in the fire synchrom pack created by Hasbro, it comes with Samurai Ifraid E230GCF (Blue Samurai, red Ifraid, Red E230, red GCF)
OK, I added an "IMPORTANT:" section in the E230 part. We really just need a combination suggestion for Phoenic now ...
Tri, that other version would mainly belong in the Samurai Ifraid article.
Good Phoenic combos are- MSF-H Phoenic Balro TR145 MF(KO and OS combo) and MSF-H Phoenic Phoenic W145 R2F.(pure smash)
I can link to tests if necessary.
I think it should be added in the E230 section that it can be used for Sway Attack combinations in Zero G stadiums. Do you need links to prove it?
From what you said about Phoenic's weight and how it affects it's performance:
Phoenic provides a lot of contact points and great smash potential because of its protrusions, but by itself is arguably too light to be competitive. When paired with the Thief crystal wheel, all of Phoenic's contact points are exposed fully but only combine for 35.1 grams, which is a disadvantage when compared to top tier attack wheels such as Flash (45.6 grams) and Blitz (43.72 grams).
I believe it seems as though you are only concerned about the chrome wheel's weight itself. When dealing with weight, most people who don't have metal face bolts (like me) often use heavier spin tracks and performance tips. The point I'm trying to make here is that you should worry about the entire weight of the bey, not just a certain part, because actually, there's nothing to worry about since Thief Phoenic, E230 and GCF, weighs 46.2 grams, which should be good enough, right?
No, it shouldn't, because MF-H Flash Orion GB145 R2F weighs around 57 G(this is just a general estimate, I'm probably off a gram or two. Not to mention, MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang without a track and bottom weighs about 69 G alone.
(Jul. 20, 2013 3:16 AM)ShinobuXD Wrote: [ -> ]No, it shouldn't, because MF-H Flash Orion GB145 R2F weighs around 57 G(this is just a general estimate, I'm probably off a gram or two. Not to mention, MSF-H Wyvang Wyvang without a track and bottom weighs about 69 G alone.
Well from some of the videos I've seen, it's not just weight that can make a attack type strong, but it's also speed. But I guess you're right on that one.