World Beyblade Organization by Fighting Spirits Inc.

(Jun. 18, 2009  11:15 AM)Mankster Wrote: [ -> ]Well, it's nice to know my star sign's wheel doesn't completely fail.

Hahaha, still no hope on the horizon for us Tauruses...

You think you're in bad luck..

Trying saying GO Cancer!.. ppl'd think I'm losing my mind, and yelling with diseases..

I generally don't yell at my spin tops when I'm playing, hahaha

Oh ;(.. I guess I'm in solitude there then

(Jun. 18, 2009  12:57 PM)Spinster Wrote: [ -> ]Hahaha, still no hope on the horizon for us Tauruses...

Takara-Tomy just doesnt like people who are...
"...in the right place at the right time for a big break -- so get ready for a change! It shouldn't be too extravagant, and you ought to be able to integrate it into your life with ease."

Shouldn't Metal Faces be added to this list ???

The thing is there are only two types of faces, so making tiers for them is frivolous.

Capricorne isn't terrible. It beats my dark wheel combos. :? Escolpio isn't bad either aside fron its weight. Really depends on its track and what the opponent is using.

I'm not saying none of the above should be in the first tier.

Have we determined that clear wheels are fairly useless in difference or do they actually do something worth mentioning here?

Apart from Aquarrio they seem to be the same so far.

(Jun. 18, 2009  5:39 PM)Khel Wrote: [ -> ]The thing is there are only two types of faces, so making tiers for them is frivolous.

Unless we had some kind of popularity contest. Pretty sure there should be a thread for that already.

Told you guys Sag. goes in tier 2.
Will edit.

(Jun. 19, 2009  12:26 AM)Pichuscute Wrote: [ -> ]Told you guys Sag. goes in tier 2.
Will edit.

Yes, now it can go in tier 2 because Brad performed some tests which confirmed it's use. But before, no tests were done on Sagittario to test it's performance, which is why it was in tier 3

(Jun. 19, 2009  1:10 AM)Aqua Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, now it can go in tier 2 because Brad performed some tests which confirmed it's use. But before, no tests were done on Sagittario to test it's performance, which is why it was in tier 3

:\ One of you guys could have easily done it or abstained from classifying it yet instead of saying "PUT IT IN TIER 3" and then acting like you secretly knew all along

Also, no offense to anyone, but put credit where credit is due... it was Crimson who did the initial testing on Sag.

(Jun. 19, 2009  1:01 PM)Spinster Wrote: [ -> ]Also, no offense to anyone, but put credit where credit is due... it was Crimson who did the initial testing on Sag.

Yup. I originally tested it without Metal Face, and discarded the idea as being unfeasible. But Metal Face made a huge difference.

Really need to get my hands on a couple of 'em.

I have considered the performances of the wheels in the tier list and I decide to suggest that the tier list should be extended to 4 rather than being three as some of the wheels in the same tier differ w/ %20 overall win ratios, such as Pegasis and Aquarrio wheels, being in the same tier with Wolf and Bull wheels, therefore, I suggest a tier in the following way for the wheels:

Tier 1:
Libra
Storm
Flame
Virgo
Quetzalcoatl

Tier 2:
Leone
Gemios
Aries
Rock
Pisces

Tier 3:
Saggitario
Escolpio
Pegasis
Aquario
Dark

Tier 4:
Bull
Capricorne
L Drago
Wolf

The reason I have placed Sagitarrio in the third is that even though with either 90RF or 100RF it has terrible recoil to be among wheels like Gemios, Rock and Leone.

Additionally, I believe in the testing of Pisces MF CH120WB and MF Aries CH120WB against Aquarrio 90RF and MF Aquarrio D125D(SD if possible) as tier 2 should contain wheels that have a more certain win ratio where does not perform as good as that of the ones in tier 1.

I don't see a reason for four tiers. In competitive Beyblade, people basically only consider "Necessary, Useful, Useless". I don't think it matters that some parts are "more useless" than other useless parts.

I don't really agree with the classifications of some of the wheels in that tier list... Though I still don't think we should be creating tier lists yet anyway.

(Jun. 26, 2009  11:41 PM)Bey Brad Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see a reason for four tiers. In competitive Beyblade, people basically only consider "Necessary, Useful, Useless". I don't think it matters that some parts are "more useless" than other useless parts.

(Jun. 27, 2009  12:46 AM)Aqua Wrote: [ -> ]Though I still don't think we should be creating tier lists yet anyway.

Why are we doing this again?

Tier Lists usually only go 1st and 2nd, anything below the two generally mean they're worthless in tournaments (or lack support), this should probably apply to beyblades as well, MFB or otherwise.

Tier 1 is generally the stuff that wins tournaments and has been proven to do so, in Magic it's certain deck archetypes, MFB's it really should be combo's

IE:
Tier 1:
MF Quetz90RF

You could break down the parts but in reality they're not Tier 1 parts if used in the wrong combination's, or maybe better phrased they're not performing to First Tier ability.

Tiers Lists have been around for ages and with any game featuring a competitive scene they're both handy, and sometimes a necessity for people looking to jump in and play. Being able to see what works and figure out why is a handy resource and sometimes far more useful than trial and error. For a something like MFB's, it's not exactly the easiest or cheapest thing to have your hand at with trial and error. It may not be a great resource for more experienced bladers in WBO atm, but for someone like me, I took the time to figure out that Storm90RF was a good combination for my style and I was able to aim for acquiring it, and luckily I managed to acquire a decent collection in a short period of time too. At least I was able to put together what seems to be a 'Tier 1' combination and have it there to test and see an aspect of MFB that any future combo's I think up will have to contend with.

What you're saying Hiro, is something that maybe we should consider, but if we did there would be many variants of customizations superfluously added to the tiers. For example:

Tier 1:
MF Quetzalcoatl 90RF
MF Quetzalcoatl 100RF
MF Quetzalcoatl 105RF

...and the list goes on. All three of these are likely very powerful customs, but it is just not necessary to do what you are saying. Having individual parts listed obviously encourages experimentation (or "trial and error" as you said), but for me, that is one of the most interesting things about Beyblade.

I think a tier list is a good thing to have, not in a ranked kind of way (like Pokemon is, where you must use certain tier pokemon in battle sometimes) but just to learn which blades are good, which aren't necessary, and which are useless for the people that are new to the game.

Well yeah, but I think Brad beat us to this, the Competitive Bey thread in Customizations pretty much outlines what I meant. IE: Attack: Quetz 90/100/105 RF is a petty solid indication of what parts can/do make up a good competitive attack type bey. A Tier list does this one step further and almost redundantly now LoL

However tier lists generally work because it shows things that people can identify as first tier, tournament winning equipment, etc, etc. Customization and testing had to be done in order to get those combination's to the Tier 1/2 list, but that's why Tier lists are always changing.

Again an MTG/YGO Deck Tier list example, but Tier 1 Indicate competitive use, decks in this list have several variants, and while some components may be different the concept is there and the skeletal structure is the same despite subtle changes, over time those subtle changes become core changes and as things are release Tier 1 things improve, or get shuffled to Tier 2. Likewise Tier 2 are concepts that work in a semi-casual environment, they're ideas that work, perhaps not consistently, but they have potential and a blurry concept/developing structure. Sometimes its a matter of lack of support that will come in the future.

For MFB Tier 1 should consist of Optimal Parts for Optimal Customizations of each Type. MFB Tier 2 should be semi-casual blades and concepts, maybe MF Sag90RF can be in there, chances are they may release a heavier low track that will boost this combo, but potentially be more detrimental for Quetz and Storm

It's pretty obvious how well the 90 Track works, and it's been mentioned a few times it's better than 100, the subtle difference in types and even rarity and cost make 90 a Tier 1 Track. Tier lists have also always been VERY specific, if you went by the harsh 'This is Tier 1' nothing but the Quetz 90RF would be Tier 1, not even Quetz 100RF, that's Tier 2.

I dunno if you guys get what I mean yet though lol ^^

It wouldn't really work that well to put combos in tier lists like that. Firstly, there would be way too many combos and a lot of variations of the same combo (for example, S. Pegasis 100RF and S. Pegasis 105RF). Also, a tier list with only 2 tiers wouldn't be specific enough so there would be a really wide range. So in tier 2, decent combos would end up under the same category as a not so good combo, if there were only 2 tiers.

We've always been using a Parts Tier list which makes the most sense. We don't really need to make a Tier list for combos, the Beywiki (when the MFB articles are written) and the Competitive Combo thread that Brad created are enough imo.