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Adding to what Dan said, me being on a computer has nothing to do with this. If you just scroll down with your thumb, you can see the other 2 sentences she wrote in her warning to you. It is near impossible to not read that entire warning.

So chill, and learn your place. You don't get respect handed to you on a silver platter, you earn it. And right now, you're not going so hot.

(Mar. 09, 2012  5:26 AM)GaHooleone Wrote: [ -> ]Adding to what Dan said, me being on a computer has nothing to do with this. If you just scroll down with your thumb, you can see the other 2 sentences she wrote in her warning to you. It is near impossible to not read that entire warning.

So chill, and learn your place. You don't get respect handed to you on a silver platter, you earn it. And right now, you're not going so hot.

I meant that its harder to explore on my phone. Not that I was unable to read her comment

He has not even gotten a warning yet.

If you cannot just calmly accept to be told to post something somewhere else, then you might as well leave completely.


Now get back on topic. Any other off-topic posts will be warned after this.

Wow, how did I miss all that?

Anyways, on to actually talking about spinning top parts:

I took apart my free shaft core. This might help with writing the article, and I can also explain a few things as to why it's not very good.

Right, so it consists of the shaft, which is identical to Dranzer S's. Dranzer S's shaft was never any good for anything other than being KO'd by light breezes. It's also not stable.

The main body of the RC just holds the shaft in, nothing special.

The top part is what keeps the tip steady and the point where the shaft touches the body. Unlike Dranzer S, it does NOT have a bearing there. It's just a plastic tube basically.

So yeah, it's a copy of a bad part made worse.

It doesn't work well with wobblers either, far too easy to knock out and too easy to OS.

I have a Draciel MS, Driger MS, and Gaia Dragoon MS.

Any suggestions onto which parts I should use? I love Draciel and all but I want something less defensive.

I like Draciel MS's attack ring mainly because of it's shape and color, but if there anything else I can use out of the three here to make it work any better?

Those 3 beys are pretty much the worst beyblades to get in HMS, but your best choice would be

ARriger MS

WD:Circle Wide

RCEmi flat core

Is the best bey you can make

Aw that bites to hear. < Thanks though.

In future, use the HMS Q&A thread in the beyblade general forum for questions and combo-building, btw.

Jade, there are much worse beyblades than those. Draciel MS has a 15g circle wide, which is the best survival wd, Driger MS is average but not terrible and Gaia Dragoon MS has a passable AR for spin stealing. Dranzer MS is worse than all three and I'd take most of them over a few beys (einstein, phantom fox) in terms of hugely useful parts (einstein's AR is okay but to use it with that recoil you need a grip core, none of which are cheap. Phantom Fox has a nice CWD part but that's about it, and it's still quite niche. Neither Dranzer has any useful parts except the rarer Dranzer MF CWD plastic part).

I'd probably use Circle Heavy (Gaia Dragoon) on Driger MS to make some sort of HMS compact, rather than circle wide.
So AR: Driger MS
WD: Circle Heavy (Gaia Dragoon MS)
RC: Semi-Flat Core (Driger MS)

Then throw together
AR: Gaia Dragoon
WD: Circle Wide (Draciel MS)
RC: Sharp Core

It's not great, sharp core just isn't very good but it's something survival-ish, I guess

You can throw the leftovers together but Draciel MS's AR is probably the worst HMS AR.

Ah I see!

But isn't Gaia Dragoon's WD only able to fit onto it's specific beyblade AR? If I remember correctly.

No, you're thinking of it's metal frame. It's WD is a normal Circle Heavy.

But honestly, Gaia Dragoon's Metal Frame can even fit onto Advance Averazer....
So, what you were thinking about, DanDA22, was wrong.

http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-Competit...pid1152293

I'll just post this here as a redirect from the discussion continuing from this post.
The tier list is pretty much solid as is. All that needs to be seen is testing specific things.

EDIT: Quickly browsing through Beywiki, there is mention of compact customizations. While that is something that was prevalent in plastics, I think I'll get around to doing some testing regarding the actual use of Compacts in HMS.
As for wobblers, I have zero idea about the Aero Core w/o ring legality, but they're not incredibly useful anyway so ye.

Carrying on from that thread:

MAMS AR: No, it wasn't just the recoil, the weight distribution and I guess middling weight really showed. I think it was when I was messing with Battle Change Core, and in the end I just had to stick with jiraiya blade or whatever else I settled on for other setups. (Oh also when I was doing what I'm writing about next, now I'm thinking about it!)

Compacts: I've mentioned my thoughts on this before: HMS is such a compact generation that a compact customization is not significantly more compact than the average HMS. There are large parts but even these are plastic. Add in Metal Change Core and Jiraiya Blade and compacts become very aggressive.
I played around with MCC as a defense tip, based on plastics, and fiddled with the idea of a less aggressive compact setup there but between the lack of suitable defensive ARs and the lack of grip or ability to add a significant amount of weight and stick to defensive parts, it just didn't work out.

In terms of defense in general while it's on my mind, GFC (UM) in particular just has so much grip and speed that even going for an HMS version of RF defense/anti attack using one of the other rubber tips seems impossible - GFC (UM) just throws them out of the stadium (and with GFC (UM) itself, the fact Samurai Blade and Circle Wide are both excellent parts with it and have really solid stamina means going for something more defensive on the same tip means you'll likely just get outspun). In general with that and most things I've tried the best result I've got is "comes down to wall saves, and don't blade on concrete". Perhaps there are options with RC's and parts I don't have (double god ring battle change core could work in theory, for example), but at the least I haven't found anything in the entire range of rubber HMS tips (rubber sharp core included).

That one particular combo I was messing around with using aero core is good enough that I'd like to know, especially given the fact beywiki needs an article on it.

Perhaps I need to use my MAMS more then haha, I never noticed it as a 'middling' AR I guess.

The Aero Core combo is good enough you say? I'll try and get a NIB one so I can check the box for any mention of the RC.

Pretty sure Rubber Sharp Core just flat out sucks in this generation since Bearing Core 2 does it better and it has a terribad tall height.

It's like a not very good Jiraiya Blade, though actually now I have them out I gotta say Jiraiya Blade's size is... well it's not exactly a small AR - it's about the same as advance balancer which is pretty average.

I wouldn't buy it just for that, it's still pretttty gimmicky, though whether or not it's more gimmicky than RWC, I don't know. Don't think it'd make the list but at the least it needs to be known for when the AKMS article is written because if it is legal, it's the most notable combo from its parts that I've seen (having had very little luck with the Attack Ring - if you want aggression out of a bearing equipped combo, this is the generation with Circle Upper...)

Sadly, Damashii doesn't have the instructions and beholder's review doesn't mention using it without the ring.

I recall Beholder not mentioning anything actually (trying not to parrot you here, but I think the last time I went through those archives was over a year ago), which is why I was going to just get the bey and the box.

The reason why I personally don't call Jiraiya Blade compact is because of its average size and that all the weight is distributed externally rather than internally. It might as well be a larger AR then, since it doesn't add much to spin velocity. Usually it adds extra smash instead, since it focuses the Metal Frame's weight on the edges of the AR.

Not an absolute confirmation by any means, but I asked Brad, and he said that he's pretty sure that it is illegal to use Aero Core without the Aero Ring. That being said, it isn't technically declared illegal by the WBO Rulebook, so it is something we could consider officially legalizing.

What is the Aero Core combo you're talking about, th!nk?

I would see no reason not to legalize it; it's a perfectly safe alteration that adds another interesting part to HMS (and quite good according to th!nk).

AR: Samurai Upper
WD: 17.5g CWD Metal Part with Samurai Change Core CWD Plastic Part, Force Smash mode.
RC: Aero Core (no Disk)

Align the CWD plastic part so the tops of the AR and CWD slopes line up. Doesn't worry much about spin direction, left is better though overall.
Makes use of Aero Core's height and the Burning Kerberous like tip for wobble/force smash. I think I tried Phantom Fox's CWD part but I don't think it worked, would be interested to see Eternal Survivor (I think that's the one that looks like Dranzer GT's AR slopes?).

Honestly it's not a serious competitive combo (though it has its uses), more a result of me wanting to find a use for a weird part or two and also loving force smash etc, but it's at least as good as the Rubber Weight Core zombie-killer and serves the same, extremely satisfying purpose - "wow wait why is this wolborg ms i am spamming to win this tournament with minimal effort being beaten by this absolutely ridiculous looking combo what even", and it is a lot less reliant on spin direction (it prefers opposite spin or left vs left from some quick rounds I did against a 15g circle wide wolborg ms just now), though this is because it wins via KO (and the times where it was about to get outspun in these quick rounds it forced a draw or win through last moment KO) - might be some balancey stuff it would OS, but I can't test that at the moment.

So yeah it's pretty silly but at the same time that would be a very satisfying way to win a match, and I would love to see it be legal just for that, as well as the fact it gives an otherwise useless part at least some kind of use.

So what exactly is a usage for Metal Weight Grip Core?
Force Smash? I find it works well stock. (metal Fantom.)

(Aug. 20, 2014  2:46 AM)Neo Wrote: [ -> ]So what exactly is a usage for Metal Weight Grip Core?
Force Smash? I find it works well stock. (metal Fantom.)

I suppose it reduces recoil due to it's added weight? It could in theory partially force the bottom down more to give more grip but then that would be anchoring slightly it also.

EDIT: OK I think the weight doesn't add aggression.

I think it hits harder, but the rubber is harder and more aggressive.

Harder rubber tends to do 2 things:

Move a little slower
Last a little longer

In the case of DGMF vs MSUV, it's more controllable/reliable/longer lasting. But you sacrifice the insane speed (bordering on uncontrollable if you're not particularly skilled/well-practised at launching)

You really don't like looking at beywiki do you Neo? It's just an alternative attack RC. Not much else to say.

(Aug. 20, 2014  4:30 AM)BrioShield Wrote: [ -> ]Harder rubber tends to do 2 things:

Move a little slower
Last a little longer

In the case of DGMF vs MSUV, it's more controllable/reliable/longer lasting. But you sacrifice the insane speed (bordering on uncontrollable if you're not particularly skilled/well-practised at launching)

I dunno. I've managed to make it faster then GFC.