Jul. 25, 2011 5:41 PM
That was just a guesstimate, obviously it would vary by type. Too many parts dilutes it though. 'Tier 3 Attack SCISSOR ATTACKER followed by WOLF CRUSHER.'
Also Galaxy, that's awesome.
Also Galaxy, that's awesome.
Draft Plastics Tier List Wrote:Attack
Discuss: Customise Grip Base (Maybe too tall or not very good) with Upper Attack SP. Driger F’s Shaft with Wolborg 2 Casings, in whatever BB, maybe. With Upper Attack SP, though I’m not sure if that would be too low. :\ Obviously various combo’s need to be considered.Upper Attack (Click to View)
Attack Rings
Upper Dragoon
Triangle Wing
Upper Tiger (in conjuction with Upper Attack SP)
Triple Tiger (?)
(Notes on which is best in which spin direction?)
Weight Disks
10 Heavy
6 Heavy
Wide Defence (?in conjuction with?)
Spin Gears
N.B.: To be effective, you must use the same direction as the opponent
Neo Right + HMC
Neo Left + HMC
Support Parts
Upper Attack SP
Blade Bases
Grip Base
Storm Grip
SG Grip Change Base (W/ Upper Attack SP) (*and Upper Tiger, I guess)
SG Metal Flat 2
Tier Two, Honorable Mentions (Click to View)AR’s
WD’s
SG’s
BB’s
Honorable Mentions:
Correct Bases for Upper Attack SP
Driger V2?
Investigate the effect of spin direction, as mentioned by McFrown.
Discuss: Again, Driger F Shaft in Wolborg 2 Casings with whatever BB (Customise Grip+SP), other SP-enabled BB’s, and other SP’s. Wolborg 2’s Shaft in BK’s Casings with Customise Bearing Base+Whatever SP.Smash Attack (Click to View)
Attack Rings
Triple Wing
Eight Spiker (Left Spin)
Cross Griffon
Triple Tiger (?)
Weight Disks
Wide Defence
10 Wide
Wide Survivor (?)
Spin Gears
Right/Left SG/Neo SG
Neo Left/Right SG +HMC (for recoil and movement control esp. with SG Metal Flat 2)
Support Parts
Fin Tectors
Blade Bases
Storm Grip
Grip Base
SG Metal Flat 2 (usually with an HMC)
SG Grip Change Base
Tier 2/Honorable mentions (Click to View)AR’s: Double Wing
WD’s:
SG:
SP:
BB: Fortress Base+Dragoon V2 Tip (???)
Honorable Mentions:
Discuss: Basically, everything. What makes a good OHKO combo, etc etc. Engine Gears?One Hit Knock Out (OHKO)*NEEDS A LOT OF WORK (Click to View)
Attack Rings
Whale Crusher (Left Spin)
Spike Dragon (Left Spin)
Weight Disks
10 Heavy
Spin Gears
Neo SG+HMC
Support Parts
Fin Tectors
Blade Bases
SG Metal Flat 2
Storm Grip Base
SG Grip Change Base (?)
Fortress Base (with Full Auto Clutch SG Shaft)(???-from beywiki)
Tier 2/Honorable mentions (Click to View)AR's:
WD's:
SG:
SP:
BB:
Honorable Mentions:
Defense
Discuss: Blizard Orthros SP. What SG would be used with Defense Grip Base (seaborg) (Is an HMC worth the stamina tradeoff?)Grip-Based (Click to View)
Attack Rings
Gyro AR
Twin Horn (Takara)
War Lion (SAR: War Lion)
Holy Despell (SAR: War Lion)
War Monkey (?)
Tiger Defenser(?)
Weight Disks
Wide Defense
Wide Survivor
Spin Gears
Left Casings + SG Bearing Version 2 (Wolborg 2)
*(Use Right Casings if opponent is using left spin)
Support Parts
Defense Ring
Cross Survivor
Survivor Ring
Blade Bases
Customise Grip Base (With Wolborg 2 Shaft)
Tier 2/Honorable mentions (Click to View)AR’s: Turtle Survivor, Wing Cross (Hasbro Ver)
WD’s: (MG WD??)
SG: (Burning Kerberous/Bearing Stinger?)
SP:
BB: Defense Grip Base, Fortress Base (2 sets of metal balls) (w/ Bearing SG) (?)
Honorable Mentions:
Discuss: Mirage Goddess (Venus/Venusian G), War Monkey and other AR’s with free spinning sub-AR’s. Is 10 heavy viable (Wide Defense and Survivor greatly lower the recoil of Upper Dragoon and Smash Turtle, 10 heavy doesn’t. Would War Monkey or whatever make it more viable?)Weight Based (Click to View)
Attack Rings
Smash Turtle
Upper Dragoon
Weight Disks
Wide Defence
Spin Gears
Neo Right+HMC
Blade Bases
SG Metal Ball (with 4 Metal Balls)
Tier 2/Honorable mentions (Click to View)AR’s: War Monkey? (Other similar stuff?)
WD’s: 10 Heavy, Wide Survivor, 6 Heavy
SG: Right SG Oil Ball (With Fortress Base)
BB: Fortress Base w/ 4 or 6 metal balls (Wolborg 2 Case and Shaft may be used)
Honorable Mentions:
Endurance
Discuss: Blizzard Orthros SP, What to do with MDBS’s Base, AR tiering, Do we include Wolborg 2’s SG here?Zombies (Click to View)
Attack Rings
Gyro AR
Twin Horn (Takara)
War Lion (SAR: War Lion)
Holy Despell (SAR: War Lion)
Tiger Defenser
Weight Disks
Wide Survivor
Wide Defense
Spin Gears
(Use Opposite Direction To Opponent, Usually Left)
SG Bearing Version
->Shafts: Wolborg, Metal Dragoon Bearing Stinger
Neo SG (Double Bearing Core)
Support Parts
Defense Ring
Cross Survivor
Survivor Ring
Blade Bases
Customise Bearing Base (Double Bearing Core Only)
Customise Grip Base
Tier 2/Honorable mentions (Click to View)AR’s: Wing Cross, Turtle Survivor, War Monkey
WD’s:
SG: SG Bearing Version 2 (See Grip Based Defense)
SP:
BB: SG Defense Grip 2
Honorable Mentions:
Balance
Discuss: Holy Despell+War Lion SAR, Metal Ball Base (can’t use HMC, lighter than SG MCB+HMC), Magne WD.Compacts (Click to View)
Attack Rings
War Lion (SAR: War Lion)
Tiger Defenser
Wing Cross (Hasbro Mold 2)
Weight Disks
10 Heavy
6 Heavy
Spin Gears
Neo Right + HMC
Blade Bases
SG Metal Change Base
SG Semi Flat
Metal Ball Base (4 Metal Balls)
Tier 2/Honorable mentions (Click to View)AR’s: Panther Claw, Holy Despell (SAR: War Lion), Wing Cross (Mold 1/Takara)
WD’s: 8 Heavy, Magne WD
SG:
SP: Semi Flat
BB:
Honorable Mentions:
Discuss: The name, What SG to use in Volcano Change Base. Notes on launching (SCB self KO’s, can be avoided with launching techniques).SCB AKA Buezee Was Right (Click to View)
Attack Rings
Holy Despell (SAR: War Lion)
War Lion (SAR: War Lion)
Gyro AR
Twin Horn
Tiger Defense
Weight Disks
Wide Survivor
Wide Defense
10 Wide
Spin Gears
(Try to use opposite spin to opponent, usually right spin as this combo is mainly used against Zombies)
Right SG (Free Shaft Version)
Right SG/Neo Right SG
Blade Bases
Spiral Change Base (Attack Mode)
Volcano Change Base (Endurance Mode)
Tier 2/Honorable mentions (Click to View)AR’s:
WD’s:
SG:
SP:
BB: Spiral Change Base (Endurance Mode): Easier to use, but risky due to how easily it is KO’d.
Honorable Mentions:
Other Discussion: What about other random balance combo’s? Retesting of 10bBistool is needed, as much of its popularity seems based on effectiveness in the Hasbro Finals Stadiums, which we don’t use.
Fortress Base with Different SG's needs investigation.
(Jul. 25, 2011 7:59 PM)Cye Kinomiya Wrote: [ -> ]Customize grip base and defense ring are way better with Wolborg 2's sg for defense. Wolborg 2's base too
Draft Plastics Tier List Wrote:AttackI added stuffs in bold and struck some stuff.
Discuss: Customise Grip Base (Maybe too tall or not very good) with Upper Attack SP. Driger F’s Shaft with Wolborg 2 Casings, in whatever BB, maybe. With Upper Attack SP, though I’m not sure if that would be too low. :\ No that's an alright height. It's only too low with SG Free Shaft Ver. where it floor scrapes like noones biz Obviously various combo’s need to be considered.Upper Attack (Click to View)
Attack Rings
Tier 1:
Upper Dragoon
Tier 2:
Triangle Wing
Upper Tiger (in conjuction with Upper Attack SP)
Triple Tiger (?)
Weight Disks
10 Heavy
6 Heavy
Wide Defence (?in conjuction with?)Upper Dragoon for sure imo and probably everything else. I'll test with Upper Tiger.
Spin Gears
N.B.: To be effective, you must use the same direction as the opponent
Neo Right + HMC
Neo Left + HMC
Support Parts
Upper Attack SP
Blade Bases
Grip Base
Storm Grip It's popular but I hate it
SG Grip Change Base (W/ Upper Attack SP) (*and Upper Tiger, I guess)
SG Metal Flat 2
Correct Bases for Upper Attack SP
Driger V2? If you mean Customize Change Base then ew no
Investigate the effect of spin direction, as mentioned by McFrown.
Discuss: Again, Driger F Shaft in Wolborg 2 Casings with whatever BB (Customise Grip+SP), other SP-enabled BB’s, and other SP’s. Wolborg 2’s Shaft in BK’s Casings with Customise Bearing Base+Whatever SP.Smash Attack (Click to View)
Attack Rings
Triple Wing
Eight Spiker (Left Spin)
Cross Griffon
Triple Tiger (?)
Weight Disks
Tier 1:Wide Defence
Tier 2 (undesirable):
10 Wide
Wide Survivor (?)
Spin Gears
Normal Spin Gear are lame Neo Left/Right SG +HMC (for recoil and movement control esp. with SG Metal Flat 2) SG Free Shaft Ver./SG Bearing Ver. 2 w/ Full Auto CLutch
Support Parts
Fin Tectors Ick
Perhaps Twin Guard as well as Upper Attack?
Blade Bases
Storm Grip ick
Grip Base I go back and forth with this one. It can rock or it can suck.
SG Metal Flat 2 (usually with an HMC)
SG Grip Change Base
Customize Grip Base
Defense Grip Base 2
Tier 2/Honorable mentions (Click to View)AR’s: Double Wing
WD’s:
SG:
SP:
BB: Fortress Base+Dragoon V2 Tip (???)
Honorable Mentions:
Discuss: Basically, everything. What makes a good OHKO combo, etc etc. Engine Gears?One Hit Knock Out (OHKO)*NEEDS A LOT OF WORK (Click to View)
Attack Rings
Whale Crusher (Left Spin)
Spike Dragon (Left Spin)
Weight Disks
10 Heavy
Wide Defense
Spin Gears
Neo Left SG+HMC
Support Parts
Fin Tectors
Blade Bases
SG Metal Flat 2
Storm Grip Base
SG Grip Change Base (?)ew
Fortress Base (with Full Auto Clutch SG Shaft)(???-from beywiki)this is lol but i think im the one who brought it up in the first place :$ it can work alright
Tier 2/Honorable mentions (Click to View)AR's:
WD's:
SG:
SP:
BB:
Honorable Mentions:
No Engine Gears except maybe Torch Pegasis
Defense
Discuss: Blizard Orthros SP. What SG would be used with Defense Grip Base (seaborg) (Is an HMC worth the stamina tradeoff?)No Twin Guard for Defense. Otherwise you're moving into Zombie/Defense Balance typesGrip-Based (Click to View)
Attack Rings
Upper Dragoon
Gyro AR Zombies only
Twin Horn (Takara) zombies only
War Lion (SAR: War Lion)
Holy Despell (SAR: War Lion)
War Monkey (?)
Tiger Defenser(?) nyehhh
Weight Disks
Wide Defense
Wide Survivor
Spin Gears
Left Casings + SG Bearing Version 2 (Wolborg 2)
*(Use Right Casings if opponent is using left spin)
Support Parts
Defense Ring
Cross Survivor
Survivor Ring
Blade Bases
Customise Grip Base (With Wolborg 2 Shaft)
Tier 2/Honorable mentions (Click to View)AR’s: Turtle Survivor, Wing Cross (Hasbro Ver)
WD’s: (MG WD??)meh
SG: (Burning Kerberous/Bearing Stinger?)
SP:
BB: Defense Grip Base, Fortress Base (2 sets of metal balls) (w/ Bearing SG) (?)
Honorable Mentions:
Discuss: Mirage Goddess (Venus/Venusian G), War Monkey and other AR’s with free spinning sub-AR’s. Is 10 heavy viable (Wide Defense and Survivor greatly lower the recoil of Upper Dragoon and Smash Turtle, 10 heavy doesn’t. Would War Monkey or whatever make it more viable?)Weight Based (Click to View)
Attack Rings
Smash Turtle
Upper Dragoon
Weight Disks
Wide Defence
Spin Gears
Neo Right+HMC
Blade Bases
SG Metal Ball (with 4 Metal Balls)
Tier 2/Honorable mentions (Click to View)AR’s: War Monkey? (Other similar stuff?)
WD’s: 10 Heavy, Wide Survivor, 6 Heavy
SG: Right SG Oil Ball (With Fortress Base)no
BB: Fortress Base w/ 4 or 6 metal balls (Wolborg 2 Case and Shaft may be used)
Honorable Mentions:
Endurance
Discuss: Blizzard Orthros SP, What to do with MDBS’s Base nothing, AR tiering, Do we include Wolborg 2’s SG here Yes?Zombies (Click to View)
Attack Rings
Gyro AR
Twin Horn (Takara)
War Lion (SAR: War Lion)
Holy Despell (SAR: War Lion)
Tiger Defenser
Weight Disks
Wide Survivor
Wide Defense
Spin Gears
(Use Opposite Direction To Opponent, Usually Left)
SG Bearing Version
->Shafts: The best is Wolborg, not as good Metal Dragoon Bearing Stinger HASBRO
Neo SG (Double Bearing Core)
Support Parts
Defense Ring
Cross Survivor
Survivor Ring
Twin Guard
Blade Bases
Customise Bearing Base (Double Bearing Core Only)
Customise Grip Base
Tier 2/Honorable mentions (Click to View)AR’s: Wing Cross, Turtle Survivor, War Monkey
WD’s:
SG: SG Bearing Version 2 (See Grip Based Defense)
SP:
BB: SG Defense Grip 2
Honorable Mentions:
Balance
Discuss: Holy Despell+War Lion SAR, Metal Ball Base (can’t use HMC, lighter than SG MCB+HMC), Magne WD.Compacts (Click to View)
Attack Rings
War Lion (SAR: War Lion)
Tiger Defenser
Wing Cross (Hasbro Mold 2)
Weight Disks
10 Heavy
6 Heavy
10 Balance
Maybe Magne WD
Spin Gears
Neo Right + HMC
Blade Bases
SG Metal Change Base
SG Semi Flat
Metal Ball Base (4 Metal Balls) No
Semi Flat
Customize Change Base w/ Defense Ring
Tier 2/Honorable mentions (Click to View)AR’s: Panther Claw, Holy Despell (SAR: War Lion), Wing Cross (Mold 1/Takara)
WD’s: 8 Heavy, Magne WD
SG:
SP: Semi Flat
BB:
Honorable Mentions:
Discuss: The name, What SG to use in Volcano Change Base. Notes on launching (SCB self KO’s, can be avoided with launching techniques).SCB AKA Buezee Was Right (Click to View)
Attack Rings
Holy Despell (SAR: War Lion)
War Lion (SAR: War Lion)
Gyro AR
Twin Horn
Tiger Defense
Weight Disks
Wide Survivor
Wide Defense
10 Wide
Spin Gears
(Try to use opposite spin to opponent, usually right spin as this combo is mainly used against Zombies)
Right SG (Free Shaft Version)
Right SG/Neo Right SG
Blade Bases
Spiral Change Base (Attack Mode)
Volcano Change Base (Endurance Mode) since when did he use this also i want this part really bad i might get 2 of them
Tier 2/Honorable mentions (Click to View)AR’s:
WD’s:
SG:
SP:
BB: Spiral Change Base (Endurance Mode): Easier to use, but risky due to how easily it is KO’d. sucks in this mode
Honorable Mentions:
Other Discussion: What about other random balance combo’s? Retesting of 10bBistool is needed, as much of its popularity seems based on effectiveness in the Hasbro Finals Stadiums, which we don’t use. It's still good
Fortress Base with Different SG's needs investigation.