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Bluezee generally doesn't seem to tolerate apprehension.

@Th!nk; pic/video of what?
Look, if we're not going to standard shoot I can easily see how MF Lightning LDrago BD145RF can lose to a LTD/SC. I don't think we're a 'posse' at all.. And to be honest, you had quite the bandwagon of brainless members blatantly agreeing with you no matter what, really, and this isn't like that at all. Bluezee and I are just on the same page very often. Th!nk holds no bias at all times, and isn't like most of the other members here who after the 'final counter' thread have just begun bashing Bluezee. (often enough, for little reason.)

(Jul. 07, 2011  10:03 PM)Dan Wrote: [ -> ]attitude like that leads to arguments over whether bluezee likes blueberries on his pancakes, or strawberries.

Again, we're all talking about Bluezee's attitude and ending our posts with relevant material. I tested with what I could and got opposite results. You should specify if you're doing 'special' launches. (unless they're much too complicated and cannot be mimicked by mortals)

Edit: Bluezee tolerates apprehension just fine, obviously evidence would have to be backed up and verified or else its nothing. (noticed how there wasn't a big squabble over MF-H Basalt Kerbecs 85RS? more than one person tested and got equivalent results. Not something that can be said here, with accommodations being made.)

@Mc Frown. Stay on topic, please, if you want to argue with bluzee or tell me why I should hate him, use PM's.

: Clear wheel wear, I would like clear comparative pictures of worn and "good" ldrago's, and a comparative vid to demonstrate, if you could. No offense, but it is a somewhat bold claim.

I don't really ever remember hardly anyone agreeing with me.
http://worldbeyblade.org/Thread-The-ongo...light=c145
That poll option for 'no' was a lot lower for a very long time.


I'm also a pretty established member so I think I know when to include launch technique, and I've feel the same toward Bluezee as I did before that thread (which was entirely appropriate). I never said you have to hate him either. And I think I'm on topic enough.

As already stated: I cannot provide pictures which adequately show wear. (I don't have a camera and webcam is carp) As for performance; Look at mcfrown's video, and then mine. Might I add that LDrago is in multi-hit in the video..
So you used no special launching technique in that video? MF Lightning LDrago BD145RF did that poorly?
Okay, either your launching technique is inadequate (see this) or something is seriously wrong with your parts. again.

why do you keep using the excuse/resoning "it's in multi-hit"? Why don't you just put it in the right mode.

(Jul. 07, 2011  11:29 PM)Dan Wrote: [ -> ]As already stated: I cannot provide pictures which adequately show wear. (I don't have a camera and webcam is carp) As for performance; Look at mcfrown's video, and then mine. Might I add that LDrago is in multi-hit in the video..
So you used no special launching technique in that video? MF Lightning LDrago BD145RF did that poorly?
Okay, either your launching technique is inadequate (see this) or something is seriously wrong with your parts. again.

Just so you don't miss it.

And: that isn't an excuse, Earth was trashed in a less powerful mode. (multi) While you had difficulty with a presumably easier target with a more powerful mode. (upper) surprised you didn't catch that one bit..
Wear being a big factor, mine being little worn smashing earth like nothing and your's all worn up and doing nothing.

Dan, gotta disagree, if you're gonna make a claim like that, a single vid done by the same person comparing the two is pretty much required.

Okay, I had already requested he test how Earth does against MF Lightning LDrago BD145RF compared to Thunder. My request was met with random assortment of tests, I clarified and received nothing.

(Jul. 07, 2011  10:29 PM)Raigeko13 Wrote: [ -> ]I can tell you, Thunder on D is quite good. Thunder is yes as you've heard, on par with Earth, but it has a little more recoil than Earth, and less weight, so it makes Earth a better choice still.

If that is true, Thunder should be easier to KO with the recoil produced..

Don't see how that prevents you making a video to support a rather hefty assertion you've made. :\


Whatever, both of you, do the vids or something.

I don't even have Thunder**, but if you want worn LLD battling Earth compared to mint LLD, that I can do.
Edited; I can do vids, but it will take a bit since my place is being all renovated.

I'd prefer vids, but yeah, testings are good. I'll see if I can get pics of my Ldrago's tomorrow to see if I can try it for myself.

And I'd think that testing would be fine for the Earth thing you wanted Mc Frown to do, right? (Pretty sure you said this).

Any lldrago attack combo vs.a reasonable defense combo where the results differ by 15% or more would probably be adequate.

Bluezee, how does this do so well? Ive tried it (borrowed parts from my friend, it can't seem to KO anything. Any launch technique required?

The launching technique has been discussed so many times in this thread. Stop being so lazy and read around.

Also, I recall seeing the difference in % between Multi-hit and Upper being only 5-10%.

5-10% can be the difference in winning, no?

Well I got my hands on a Prime RF so i tested against thunder (keep in mind that i am not overly confident with this combo)
Thunder Aquario 100SD vs MF-H Lightning L Drago BD145RF
LLD wins: 17 (All KO's)
Thunder wins: 3(All OS)
The times when thunder one there was at least 1 wall save going on , but LLD smashes around thunder like its a rag doll.

Wait, isn't there a flaw? Let's say a person use a bey that includes the hell wheel, that is equal in height to this custom and uses the R2F. The BD145 and Hell wheel equal in width,so when the beys clashes, the BD145 would probably hit the opposing bey's track,while the Hell wheel would hit the Lightning wheel and if you ask me the Hell has pretty good smash.XD So, could this imaginary bey I just created tie with or even beat this bey? Also, please don't ask me to test this out myself because I don't have the BD145 or the Hell wheel.

(Jul. 08, 2011  11:47 AM)RustyXD Wrote: [ -> ]Well I got my hands on a Prime RF so i tested against thunder (keep in mind that i am not overly confident with this combo)
Thunder Aquario 100SD vs MF-H Lightning L Drago BD145RF
LLD wins: 17 (All KO's)
Thunder wins: 3(All OS)
The times when thunder one there was at least 1 wall save going on , but LLD smashes around thunder like its a rag doll.

Well that's interesting.
I'll try fiddling around with my launch technique and see what happens.

(Jul. 08, 2011  11:47 AM)RustyXD Wrote: [ -> ]Well I got my hands on a Prime RF so i tested against thunder (keep in mind that i am not overly confident with this combo)
Thunder Aquario 100SD vs MF-H Lightning L Drago BD145RF
LLD wins: 17 (All KO's)
Thunder wins: 3(All OS)
The times when thunder one there was at least 1 wall save going on , but LLD smashes around thunder like its a rag doll.

Well, RF was already an alternative if LRF wasn't available, but with RF, LLD BD145__ used to be just inferior to LRF and still, it is inferior.
Still, your tests are quite interesting. For people(like me) who can't manage for an LRF, its a boon. I'll like(read love) to see further testing on this. But, as this combo is TOO good with LRF, I wonder if anyone will even consider RF in its place.... On the other hand, what you used was not a top tier bey, you know.. So, people won't consider that too, unless you use LLD against a top tier...

That wasn't the point :V

EDIT: I've been messing around with this for a while, and I can't get those results. I've gotten more proficient with the combo but I can never get more than 3/10 aside from the rare 4/10. I know I'm using a wornnnnn RF but I can 10-0 the same Thunder combo with other Attack combos on the same RF.
I'll keep playing around with it I guess.

I think the problem is when LLD comes in to hit Thunder tinks off of the BD145 dampening the impact, instead of where against a combo like Gravity on 100 it take a solid metal on metal impact.

It's not really the same as other attack combo's though, it IS a lot harder to make it move right. Try a better RF, as rusty did bad with a worn RF earlier on.

I mean, rusty can do it, right?

(Jul. 08, 2011  5:11 PM)th!nk Wrote: [ -> ]It's not really the same as other attack combo's though, it IS a lot harder to make it move right. Try a better RF, as rusty did bad with a worn RF earlier on.

I mean, rusty can do it, right?

I've been using a great R2F and I've been getting better results from LLD but the bumping thing still makes it terribly incosistent. There's a lot of basic Attack combos that do better.

True, but do they do as well against as many common opponents. I meann, sure it depends on where you're blading, but from what I've seen around, there aren't too many places using thunder aquario 100SD, and a helluva lot using stuff that loses to this badly. :\

Everything is obviously dependent on your metagame, but this combo is on the more versatile end of the spectrum.

That said, in the places where people are starting to spam MF-H Gravity Perseus BD145CS, it's gonna be a poor choice (at least for stalling clause).